Brigand

The arena mode type of battle availability is planned to be tied into the open world. The topic Battle availability: Gank, Post, Fleet duty started by @admin explains how. But for some reason people only noticed the 'teleport' mechanic and seem to have missed the rest of it, which is actually quite good and innovative. The idea is that players who wish to do so, can (in the Open World) sign up with the navy in order to get access to combat with minimal waiting time: a merchant hires up to x escort ships. When this merchant gets into a fight, the players signed up with the navy are selected to fight in those battles. Since a battle will be fought in an instance, this essentially boils down to battle arena fights, (tied in with the Open World universe) with minimal waiting time on the side of the player who signed up for the 'fleet duty'. In other words, 'fleet duty' is an in-game name for 'quick fight mode' for those who don't have the time or inclination to roam the open seas to go looking for conflict themselves. ~Brigand

If you have received a tester key, all is fine. No further keys have been send out at this point in time. Hope this helps, Brigand

Hmm, I'm not sure it is common to calculate broadside weight based on the actual weight of the shot, instead of the nominal weight of the shot? livre lb ratio (Avoirdupois pounds converted to English pound) 36 40.3 1.119443753 24 26.6 1.108332649 18 20.1 1.116665977 16 18 1.124999306 12 13.4 1.116665977 8 9 1.124999306 avarage 1.118517828 That's all most confusing. My sources say that 1 Livre du roi equalled 1.079 English pounds. Which is ~ 0.040 lb difference with what your numbers give as an average. I have a hard time finding the right number, do you have better information than the numbers as listed in the OP? ~Brigand

Admin has said that the Sea Trial (battle arena) will be "dismanteld" after all early access testers have been moved to the Open World. ~Brigand

Wow, nice write up maturin! This is the sort of information I like. To recap the information: L'Unite (1794) -> HMS Surprise O'Brian (but with armament mixed up), Jack Aubrey Gracieuse (1787), Fifth Rate -> Unite -> HMS Unite O'Brian's mix-up ship? 24-gun frigate HMS Rose (1757) & replica HMS Rose (1970) -> HMS Surprise Replica ship featured in Master and Commander HMS Surprise (1812), Fifth Rate Leda-class 18-pounder frigate Do we have any confirmation on which ship the in-game Surprise is supposed to be? Or are we all assuming it should be the first, L'Unite (1794)? Separate from the above, it has been bugging me for some time that the in-game ships seem to be over-armed. Some may feel this is not a problem, but I think it will only create a nightmare of balance issues later on (should the Amsterdam be allowed heavier armament? she is listed as 42-gun after all.... 10 of which where, in reality, swivel guns!). Should we lobby for a general downsize in armament for those vessel who are currently carrying too much metal? Starting with the L'Unite (1794) / HMS Surprise? Brigand

(Topic moved to Tavern) This question is very hard to answer, without at least mentioning a time frame. Typically, nations with navies are split up in two categories: maritime powers and naval powers, there is a distinction between the two: maritime powers depend on the sea for their very survival, whereas naval powers have no vital interests at sea, but use their naval strength to advance national power. Countries such as Britain and the Dutch Republic where maritime powers, France is, on the other hand, a naval power. Since maritime powers depend on the sea for the countries survival, there is a lot of maritime knowledge and advancement outside the navy. When a war is declared, such countries have a large body of able seamen to draw from. ~Brigand

Nicely done! ~Brigand

I was too fast with replying: I thought it was another mooore guns! ship, based on the year and the number 120. Later I saw the images showing her side by side with the Océan class, and they are indeed rather similar. ~Brigand

Table updated, historic broadside weight is now converted from national pounds into English pounds by conversion ratio as listed. ~Brigand

Because so many ships have been upgraded through their career, it would be too complicated to list all their loadouts in one table. When I first started, I had the latest loadout of the ships career listed, but since some of the ships are quite modern, their loadout was updated later than the 1830s, so outside the period of the game. So, instead I choose to list the first/initial loadout for ships. Hope this explains it, Brigand

You are correct, and looking at the number I listed, I have no idea how I came up with it. I've updated the list as follows: lower deck : 28 * 36-pounder guns + 4 * 36-pounder stern chasers, middle deck : 34 * 24-pounder guns, upper deck : 34 * 12-pounder guns, fore castle : 16 * 8-pounder guns + 6 * 36-pounder carronades + 2 * 8-pounder chasers Broadside weight: 1,288 livre du roi (French pounds). I wonder if I should show the values converted to English pounds; the difference in French pounds vs English pounds being 1 livre du roi = 1.079 lb. So a broadside weight of 1,288 livre du roi would translate in ~1390 lb. Thoughts? ~Brigand

Well, I would rather not see her making it into the game. She would only serve to stretch the balance in favour of the late, later, latest ship, thereby making all earlier ships obsolete. Right now, we have the Santisima, if you introduce this, both the Victory and the Santisima would be considered uninteresting. Having more guns is only interesting as long as you have the most. Introduce this, and tomorrow comes the bigger behemoth and so on and so forth. ~Brigand

The title was changed because it could be interpreted as if the list in this topic would be the next poll, while in fact it is 'merely' a list of all the ships for which plans available, posted in the Shipyard section so far. ~Brigand

Ah, the Thames shipbuilders method :-) other methods include: Burthen = ( (Length on deck - (Beam * 0.6)) * Beam * (Beam / 2) ) / 94 Burthen = ( Length on deck * Beam * Depth in hold ) / 100 Burthen = ( Length on deck * Beam * (Beam / 2) ) / 96 Where the denominator changed during the years (gradually growing smaller) and Depth in Hold was not uncommonly replaced by half-beam. There is an interesting dissertation on the topic: Tonnage Measurement of Ships: Historical evolution, current issues and proposals for the way forward by Aji Vasudevan, World Maritime University, Malmö, Sweden Cheers, Brigand

Se strongly reminds me of the model of a real ship posted on these forums not long ago. ~Brigand

Thanks, I noticed my terminology was too strict. ~Brigand

This topic is spiralling down, regardless. Locked

I think the in-game snow was only roughly based on the Ontario (maybe on a cheap model kit?), instead of a detailed (digital) reproduction. The Ontario has been listed in the poll for player to vote on, on which I based my idea that the in-game snow is not the Ontario, or at least not identical. It has however been very difficult to get references about the origins of the in-game Snow or the cutter for that matter). For this reason, I've listed her name as a best guess for her origins. Hope this explains it. ~Brigand

Would the name on the stern of a ship include the le/la/les? or would the article only be used when written down in documents and such? ~Brigand

Which burthen calculations did you use (there are too so many of them)? ~Brigand

For all that we know, a ship from one nation will be available to all nations. On a more important note: this thread is rife with nationalism. Nationalism has no place in on these forums, not even when it is wrapped in an historical cover. The options for this topic are: Tone it down, make this discussion (a lot) more constructive; The topic will be locked. Cheers, Brigand

The Indiaman Amsterdam (the one that will be added to the game) had an armament of 42 cannons, which sounds impressive enough, unless you take a look at what weight those cannons where (it might not be news to everyone): 8 x 12pdr 16 x 8pdr 8 x 4pdr 10 swivel guns The 12 and 8 pounders are gonne hurt a privateer, the 4 pounders and swivels are less impressive. ~Brigand

Updated: the brig is confirmed fictional: "It is not modeled after any particular ship". The Surprise's tonnage (burthen) has been updated (thanks Lieste, threedecks had the displacement listed as burthen). ~Brigand

That's not really a frigate is it? looks more like a (nice looking) regular ship to me. ~Brigand

From what I've seen, it may not be that the ships are too boyant, they simply seem to miss Inertia. They float like they don't have any mass. ~Brigand