admin Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Captains. If you know - can you help us find this book? Plate 6 from this manuscript. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z4ys Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Can you provide some additional infos please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAlatriste Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I'm interested on this ship. I will dedicate some time searching the page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, z4ys said: Can you provide some additional infos please. Dutch ship Rotterdam. @GreedyGriffin found it in black in white (but not sure the image relates to the correct ship - but name and company checks out)https://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?183669 I downloaded the image from one of the online collections in 2015 Digital scan of the book (the rest of images did not look interesting) but now i cannot find it as it was probably deleted or removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAlatriste Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Can you provide information of the details of the image? In can give the raw name of the image or something like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAlatriste Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, admin said: found it in black in white (but not sure it relates to the correct ship) If u are talking about this one it seems not the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capitan Salazar Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, admin said: Dutch ship Rotterdam. @GreedyGriffin found it in black in white (but not sure the image relates to the correct ship - but name and company checks out)https://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?183669 I downloaded the image from one of the online collections in 2015 Digital scan of the book (the rest of images did not look interesting) but now i cannot find it as it was probably deleted or removed. I found it, Sir. http://miniaturasjm.com/mi-biblioteca/ship-decoration-16301780/ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 Original illustration is from in Rotterdam Maritime Museum. We have the book @Capitan Salazar mentioned - and can use it to recreate a bow using alternative ships 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Just now, admin said: awesome. I have this book!)) Now lets hope it has the link to the source. Seems it should not be hard to find now. Keep us updated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thonys Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) Travel data departure on from to arrival at skipper's room 29/12/1716 Goeree Batavia 14/09/1717 Rotterdam Hendrik Lont via: Cape of Good Hope from 15/05/1717 to 06/06/1717 01/12/1717 Batavia Goeree 17/07/1718 Delft Hendrik Lont via: Cape of Good Hope from 22/02/1718 to 07/04/1718 28/12/1718 Goeree Batavia 16/08/1719 Delft Jacob van der Poel via: Cape of Good Hope from 12/05/1719 to 16/06/1719 11/22/1720 Ceylon Rammekens 22/08/1721 Zeeland Jacob van der Poel via: Cape of Good Hope from 09/02/1721 to 23/04/1721 The coffee vessels Luchtenburg and Rotterdam may, as far as the space permits, be loaded with cinnamon, but must go to Patria as quickly as possible. 03/03/1722 Rammekens VERVERAN 15/06/1722 Zeeland Gerrit Fiers via: Cape of Good Hope from 13/06/1722 to unknown Characteristics Construction built in 1716 for the Chamber of Rotterdam on the VOC yard in Rotterdam Use in service with the VOC from 1716 to 15/06/1722 (perish, Cape of Good Hope, South Africa) Length 145 feet Load capacity 400 load (800 tons) Crew 200-250 heads Perished during a storm at the Cape of Good Hope on June 15, 1722. Edited November 28, 2019 by Thonys 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capitan Salazar Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, admin said: awesome. I have this book!)) Now lets hope it has the link to the source. Seems it should not be hard to find now. I'm glad I could be useful (again, after retirement). At your service. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z4ys Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) https://books.google.de/books?id=_IuuCAAAQBAJ&pg=PA80&lpg=PA80&dq=rotterdam+voc+merchant+ship+1716&source=bl&ots=T0TCmodriN&sig=ACfU3U1tAGygZCeQNTW8tGP7XiYzVDabYA&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiR_Nvh4Y3mAhUB_aQKHcZkCLEQ6AEwCXoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=rotterdam voc merchant ship 1716&f=false Ofc those interesting pages are not included in this extract Edited November 28, 2019 by z4ys 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sella said: Keep us updated I still remember that i also seen it somewhere else in color (and there was a whole book with images like this). Will check asap if kindle version has the source. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAlatriste Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) Some information about the Dutch East India Company 😀 Edited November 28, 2019 by SirAlatriste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z4ys Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) looks similar to be honest. by Francois van Douwe (dutch, 1659 - 1735) Study of the stern of the Dutch warship De Maas Edited November 28, 2019 by z4ys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 35 minutes ago, z4ys said: looks similar to be honest. by Francois van Douwe (dutch, 1659 - 1735) Study of the stern of the Dutch warship De Maas Rotterdam had this unique french style (flat paintings on top) combined with dutch style which gradually gave way to just sculptures and decorations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capitan Salazar Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 hour ago, admin said: Rotterdam had this unique french style (flat paintings on top) combined with dutch style which gradually gave way to just sculptures and decorations. Sir, I searched for info about Francois Van Douwe. According to sources, "he designed and manufactured, among other things, ship's mirrors, a marble choir screen in the Laurenskerk and the casing of the organ in the Oosterkerk in Rotterdam" . The colour, perspective, composition and attention to detail are too similar. Those paintings are from the same author. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thonys Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Capitan Salazar said: Sir, I searched for info about Francois Van Douwe. According to sources, "he designed and manufactured, among other things, ship's mirrors, a marble choir screen in the Laurenskerk and the casing of the organ in the Oosterkerk in Rotterdam" . Quote The colour, perspective, composition and attention to detail are too similar. Those paintings are from the same author. its a yacht it bears the flag of the batavian republic era and the coat of arm of the general admiralty (old generaliteits wapen ) Zuid holland Edited November 28, 2019 by Thonys 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagram Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Thonys said: it bears the flag of the batavian republic era Honestly, I'm not convinced. The flags of the navy of the Batavian Republic looked quite different: They show a seated "Liberty" who - together with the "Batavian Lion" - holds a staff crowned by a (sailor's) top hat. The field of the pennant (Wimpel) is all red. Regarding the style of the ornaments of the yacht shown above, it is very much like c.1700 indeed. The flag appears to show a pair of crossed anchors topped by what looks like a crown (?), all surrounded by a floral pattern. The hoist end of the larger pennant shows the same crowned crossed anchors, in my opinion. Edited November 29, 2019 by Wagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagram Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) Maybe, this drawing of the bow and figurehead of a Dutch yacht, Rotterdam, c.1700, belongs to the same yacht and, perhaps, was made by the same artist? https://postimg.cc/vxYNFjmP (from: Hans Jürgen Hansen, Von der Schönheit alter Schiffe, Oldenburg/Hamburg, 1971, p.13, top; no further data) Edited November 29, 2019 by Wagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capitan Salazar Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 On 11/28/2019 at 8:19 PM, admin said: Captains. If you know - can you help us find this book? Plate 6 from this manuscript. Do you require my assistance anywhere else? Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reorx Redbeard Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 maybe this book can help https://www.saxo.com/dk/dutch-warships-in-the-age-of-sail-1600-1714_james-bender_hardback_9781848321571 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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