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  1. I don't know whether this catalogue on Napoleon's navy has already been posted somewhere. So, just in case ... http://www.chateauversailles.fr/resources/pdf/fr/presse/DP_marine_def.pdf Just excerpts, unfortunately. Actually, the catalogue has 184 pages: https://www.amazon.fr/Maquettes-marine-impériale-Collection-Trianon/dp/9461611498/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_fr_FR=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&dchild=1&keywords=maquettes+de+la+marine+imperiale&qid=1589569178&sr=8-1
  2. More catalogues from the Central Naval Museum which may be helpful for our time frame: http://cdn.navalmuseum.ru/Files/pdf/1547799816v_plenu_u_poseidona_s_metkami-compressed.pdf http://cdn.navalmuseum.ru/Files/pdf/1497513296morskoi_mundir.pdf http://cdn.navalmuseum.ru/Files/pdf/1497014011arhitektura_korablya_katalog_vustavki.pdf http://cdn.navalmuseum.ru/Files/pdf/1557747784morskoi_muzei_310_blok_210h230_bez_metok_smol-compressed.pdf http://cdn.navalmuseum.ru/Files/pdf/15577456844vremenigoda.pdf http://cdn.navalmuseum.ru/Files/pdf/1557743432baltiiskii_flot._tri_veka_na_sluzhbe_otechestvu.pdf They are all from here: https://navalmuseum.ru/publication
  3. Hi, Just an idea ... A lot of interesting information may be gained from catalogues published by various naval museums over the last years. I'd like to start by providing this link: http://cdn.navalmuseum.ru/Files/pdf/1557743331albom_museam_2016-x.pdf Check it out. 🙂
  4. The Moretti watercolour of "Duquesne", ex- "Moskva", is now online. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_ship_Moskva_(1799) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Duquesne_by_Andre_Moretti_1812.jpg
  5. Sorry, but how can this be a model of the Swedish 44 gun frigate "Venus"? It has only 20 gun ports (10 on each side) on the main deck and 6 (3 on each side) on the upper deck ...
  6. A recommander https://www.amazon.fr/Drapeaux-étendards-roi-Pierre-Charrié/dp/2863772384
  7. Something like this? http://revistas.uned.es/index.php/ETFIV/article/view/22240 http://www.armada.mde.es/archivo/mardigitalrevistas/cuadernosihcn/69cuaderno/cap05.pdf (first two entries of a Google search looking for "la armada española en las filipinas siglo xviii" ...)
  8. Thank you. Well, I'm working with a MacBook which means I don't use a mouse. However, in the meantime, I found out how to "right-click" on a MacBook. I'll try next time.
  9. Maybe, this drawing of the bow and figurehead of a Dutch yacht, Rotterdam, c.1700, belongs to the same yacht and, perhaps, was made by the same artist? https://postimg.cc/vxYNFjmP (from: Hans Jürgen Hansen, Von der Schönheit alter Schiffe, Oldenburg/Hamburg, 1971, p.13, top; no further data)
  10. Sorry, but obviously I'm just too stupid to understand what you mean. I tried again with another picture but I just don't succeed at posting the picture directly. What do you mean by "right-click"? When I post the picture on imgur I get an url, and wherever I paste this url I'll always get the whole imgur page, never the picture alone...
  11. Honestly, I'm not convinced. The flags of the navy of the Batavian Republic looked quite different: They show a seated "Liberty" who - together with the "Batavian Lion" - holds a staff crowned by a (sailor's) top hat. The field of the pennant (Wimpel) is all red. Regarding the style of the ornaments of the yacht shown above, it is very much like c.1700 indeed. The flag appears to show a pair of crossed anchors topped by what looks like a crown (?), all surrounded by a floral pattern. The hoist end of the larger pennant shows the same crowned crossed anchors, in my opinion.
  12. Here it is: https://imgur.com/a/CTaqAAn @LeBoiteuxThank you. Great!
  13. Recently, I stumbled over a contemporary drawing of the designed ornaments for this French ship-of-the-line ( https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercule_(1797) ), captured by the British in 1798 (https://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/80672.html). "Dessein de la Sculpture du Vaisseau L'hercule de 74 canons en construction dans le port de la ville de Lorient" (from an old exhibition catalogue: Ekhart Berckenhagen, Schiffe. Häfen. Kontinente. Eine Kulturgeschichte der Seefahrt, Berlin: Dietrich Reimer Verlag, 1983, p.363): The catalogue says the drawing is by Jean-Baptiste Bara, born 1763, maître-sculpteur at Lorient. It is said to be dated 1792, but the ship was ordered in 1793 only and laid down in 1794, so I don't know whether all the data is correct. Sorry, no pictures as there is no free space left for attachments and I don't know how to get free space (tried but didn't work).
  14. I suspect that the British didn't care because "Implacable" was not really a British ship, and the French may have not wanted her back as she was no longer a truly French ship. The preservation and restoration of "Implacable" (maybe, I'd rather say "former and future Duguay-Trouin" 😉) surely would have been a huge task for the French - in terms of expenses, in the first place - but, in my opinion, in the end it would have been a more than satisfying enterprise. As mentioned, if the ship had been submerged in order to preserve her it should have been possible to salvage her at a more convenient time. But preservation would only have made sense, in my opinion, if she had been restored as the French Duguay-Trouin. At any rate, all British modifications would have had to be stripped off (so, the British could have kept the stern and figurehead of "Implacable" for exhibition at the NMM 🙂). In my opinion, there would have been two options. The less expensive option probably would have been to just preserve what was left of the original ship, basically the hull, etc. in a museum, with an abundant documentation on the original ship, etc. Essentially, the same solution as found for "Wasa" or "Mary Rose". The costlier (in financial terms), more demanding (in terms of research and craftsmanship), more spectacular but also riskier (in terms of meeting requirements regarding historical accuracy /authenticity) option would have been to choose the way of restauration. Basically, what was done with "Victory" or "Constitution", which - of course - presupposes the availability of reliable sources. Well, she was a Sané designed Téméraire class ship of which there are enough extant plans. A drawing of the stern and quarter gallery ornaments has also survived. Boudriot was wrong when he attributed these ornaments to the "Duguay-Trouin" built at Brest in 1787/88 and burnt at Toulon in 1793. The drawing is not signed "Lubet", as Boudriot claimed. It is clearly signed "Rolland" (Pierre), ship builder at Rochefort, and "Delizy", maître-sculpteur at Rochefort from 1797. So these ornaments are clearly those of our "Duguay-Trouin", built at Rochefort from 1794-1800, and captured in 1805. Unfortunately, no drawing of the figurehead survives but as remarked elsewhere, there is a contemporary document describing the figurehead in some detail. From this and surviving contemporary models of figureheads in French naval museums it should have been possible to reconstruct the ornaments of the ship reasonably well. But then ... the cannons, the masts, the rigging, etc., everything would have had to be reconstructed anew ...
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