Russia so bored they try to kill off smaller nations?

[Tom Farseer]

1 hour ago, Lars Kjær said:

I haven't actually seen that much salt in this thread..

Check the last two posts then. Granted, not much but it should suffice for some poached eggs 😁

[jodgi]

1 hour ago, Lars Kjær said:

I haven't actually seen that much salt in this thread..

 

1 hour ago, Lars Kjær said:

...Really professional gamedevelopment right there..

 

On 9/28/2019 at 10:32 AM, Sven Silberbart said:

...This is the "complete edition of biggest game design fails in NA". I cant agree more, but I lost hope that the devs ever understand that.

 

[Azure Tempest]

3 hours ago, Lars Kjær said:

Except the nation with "90%" PvP'ers happens to have 5/7 55p ports, it makes it a lot easier to go "PvP" if we can call it that.. The problem here is there is no balancing out, the investments in ports practically ensures that ppl either stick to their nation, leaves or joins the zerg in order to keep future investments safe.

If u played the game and crafted, you'd know that a shipyard is 4.25m reals, 80k dubs, the academy is another cool million and 10k dubs and the workshop is if I remember right 5k dubs and 500k reals.. If you like cannons, and I bet you do, then add another million for the forge. If that port gets taken are you going to do 68 long (100k+ reals) cargo deliveries all over again, assuming you can get dubs on each of them you then only need to grind another 27k dubs..

This shit doesn't "balance" itself out, ppl just quit.

Then comes the investments in the port.. Lvl'ing one area from 0-4 costs 180k dubs, 150 VM and 375 combat medals.. I'm just not going to do that grind to build up a port again, so if fx. SJ gets taken what would be my reaction? - I'll just play something else.

This shit doesn't "balance" itself out, ppl just quit.

 

And again for the record:

Ppl who states that port bonus' doesn't matter is just not very good at math.. Hull bonus 4 compared to no hull bonus is an entire broadsides worth of difference between to L'Oceans, add to that the 8% xtra crew (sails, reps, reloading of guns), add to that gunnery bonus, sailing bonus etc..

Why do new players stop before they even really get startet in the game?

- The grinding

- The monotonous delivery missions, no risk = no rewards (inflation eats the profits) and no fun (run into an enemy port with contraband goods? - fun.. run into a port with free boxes? - no fun).

- The only missions you can do is either combat missions or delivery missions. No escort missions, no patrols, no scouting, no investigation, no exploration. The world is a shallow world with no content so why shouldn't ppl leave?

- If you get into the game and want to do crafting, you have to be in the largest faction to pull out the best ships and then only if your clan is on the friendslist otherwise you need to join the clan that owns the 55p port or you can choose a different path... you can flip a 55p port and lose in the PB because... oh yeah the only ones arguing for the port bonus' is those that already has them and know that they don't have the skills to keep their ports without the advantage of mods and 55p ships. That leaves one more option for a new player starting out or a clan wanting to play on equal terms as the zerg - you can leave the game.

Steamcharts are in: People left.

This guy knows what hes talking about. 

Too much grind these days, and less action. 

And most of the action is ganking or getting ganked. 

Why are we making the game so hard and difficult to enjoy, we are losing so many players.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Azure Tempest

[John Cavanaugh]

4 hours ago, Lars Kjær said:

. If that port gets taken are you going to do 68 long (100k+ reals) cargo deliveries all over again, assuming you can get dubs on each of them you then only need to grind another 27k dubs..

Nope, i just sell hull repairs in LT for 575, in Dariena for 1100, etc etc.

 

4 hours ago, Lars Kjær said:

This shit doesn't "balance" itself out, ppl just quit.

To defeat russian style zerg you must embrace russian style communism. I have now 3 Teak/White Very Fast trinco with New Orleans port bonus and very nice upgrades, donated forcibly by russian players go fight somewhere other than capitol zone and you might get better boats.

4 hours ago, Lars Kjær said:

Ppl who states that port bonus' doesn't matter is just not very good at math.. Hull bonus 4 compared to no hull bonus is an entire broadsides worth of difference between to L'Oceans, add to that the 8% xtra crew (sails, reps, reloading of guns), add to that gunnery bonus, sailing bonus etc..

a little more HP, a little more reload, a little more crew, a little more repair. Indiaman vs Endymion, a forgone conclusion if neither sailor is retarded or has only 30 hours gameplay. Fight anyway, maybe you get lucky. I am sure that long time veteran player like you can handle a small difference in HP.

[Lukas97Austria]

But still. Port bonus gives slightly advantage.. It's like playing world of tanks with a stock crew and with an ace crew. Yes you can do in both good. But what will be statistically be better? Exactly. The good crew. It also works when you compare it in war thunder etc.  I can't understand how people really think it doesn't matter. 

 

As a example I got jumped 1vs2. My pfrig vs herc and trinco. I didn't had any chances. I tried my best vs the herc but because mods etc missed I couldn't get in position with out risking to show boardside to the trinc. I was sinking when the herc did get to close to me. I boarded him while sinking and took his herc. Purple. 15,5 knots best mods.   I am an unskilled player. With very less experience. That poor trinco dude had not a chance against that devil of a ship.  I was killing him easy. Just because the mods make my life better.  (driving boardside to trinc. Doesn't matter norther carps will do as example). So I would rather have an port bonus with mod ship instead of an stock ship.  Just my opinion. (just to be clear I have the Screenshots of its really needed to be believed). 

 

So does this win is only because I am more skilled than my enemy? I don't think so. 

Btw don't mind the chat 

[HachiRoku]

7 hours ago, DreamMaker said:

How many times still need to sank you, so that you correctly perceive the understanding of trash. Forumfighter...

If you ever beat me with a ship that is not meta I respect you. Your trash mate. You do not know how to position. You don't know how to use wind.

There is no chance I win a 1v1 against you and your mods I agree. 

I would actually not even duel you again in a fair fight after what you did last time. Having 3 clan mates waiting outside until you start loosing. You are a 1 trick pony mate. You beat me once with French rig vs no French rig and you think youre good. It took you 20 min to dismast ship with no mast mods. If you do it in less than 1 broadside your decent. Connie vs Connie is easiest mast hitbox. 

Do you think I don't ask you for 1v1s because your good mate? I don't ask because you without mods you are above average. 

Last but not least I know you are trying to trigger me but I'm not responding to you. 

[DreamMaker]

12 hours ago, HachiRoku said:

 

Many words, I can express my position, some people will believe me and some will believe you, but what's the point, to prove something to you?pffff.... Win at least 1 fight, 3 before that you have already lost, and then your promotion will be attached not only with words. In the meantime, control what you say, otherwise it all sounds like a curse of the captain from the deck of a sunken ship

[Genevieve Malfleurs]

have the testosterone wars already started? 😁 I think hachi just nicely described the massive impact of mods over skill. ovations, Gene

 

 

[DreamMaker]

8 minutes ago, Genevieve Malfleurs said:

have the testosterone wars already started? 😁 I think hachi just nicely described the massive impact of mods over skill. ovations, Gene

I think the hachi as always wanted to say ... just to say. Especially for you I will explain 1 thing - he has long been entangled in his lies. In order to keep the intrigue I will not destroy the illusion about hiw power as a 1x1 player, I will show another example. Here is what he writes 3 days ago

On 9/27/2019 at 12:01 AM, HachiRoku said:

We have 25 members. Myself, otto, bom, 3 other irrelevant guys I forgot the names of and atleast 19 alts. 

I was was kidding bra. I mean no offense mate but you really have absolutely no sense of humor and simply don't get sarcasm. Everybody knows exile doesn't have 25 members and everybody knows its impossible for us to have lost a 25v25 port battle full exile because guess what.....We never had 25 members. I am making fun of LV for always saying he would give people 10 million gold for a screenshot of sorry fleet loosing a 25v25 port battle. Truth is SORRY never fought a 25v25 port battle against any clan with any competence. Actually SORRY never did a 25v25 against any clan period. 
DO YOU GET IT NOW?

I kind of hate myself for explaining it to you now. I never do that. 

And what was in really: 

P.S. Just boring, i have some time and I don’t like when people behave like hachi... Goebbels nervously envies him

[HachiRoku]

3 hours ago, DreamMaker said:

I think the hachi as always wanted to say ... just to say. Especially for you I will explain 1 thing - he has long been entangled in his lies. In order to keep the intrigue I will not destroy the illusion about hiw power as a 1x1 player, I will show another example. Here is what he writes 3 days ago

And what was in really: 

P.S. Just boring, i have some time and I don’t like when people behave like hachi... Goebbels nervously envies him

OK mate I understand now. You should really go back to the Russian forums or go learn English. Omg you are so ignorant. Ask someone to explain to you abot my posts. 

Edited October 1, 2019 by HachiRoku

[HachiRoku]

4 hours ago, DreamMaker said:

Many words, I can express my position, some people will believe me and some will believe you, but what's the point, to prove something to you?pffff.... Win at least 1 fight, 3 before that you have already lost, and then your promotion will be attached not only with words. In the meantime, control what you say, otherwise it all sounds like a curse of the captain from the deck of a sunken ship

If you are so keen on making claims that you sank me 3 times show me a screenshot. Once you did in a Connie 1v1 French vs no French. Where are the other 2 battles. Show us Screenshots. Im curious myself now because either you are lying or I forgot being sank by an average player with meta ships. I highly doubt I would forget that.

I said in previous post that you are not understanding the posts. All the bs aside. I'm no lier. I don't make up random facts and claims that are untrue. I think it's quite obvious for people with average intelligence to understand it. If not maybe you should not respond. I don't talk on Russian forums because Google doesn't know shit. 

You show some random screenshot of lord vicious and his trash to me for what? You start responding to my comments without the slightest idea what is going on. 

 

[John Cavanaugh]

7 minutes ago, Lars Kjær said:

I know this is hard to accept

Bla bla bla words of a jobless NEET. 

You ignore as always the point of all sentences but one which pricks your pride. 

Edit: 

@second post

in a duel between two trincos, small edges add up. What wins the fight is not a little HP or a little crew, it is who makes fewer mistakes. I fought Gavi el Botas a few month ago. Him Fir/fir me Teak/Teak no skillbooks and trash mods. His mods I do not know. 1 hour and more this fight. He won not because he had skill books and mods and speed, HE MADE LESS MISTAKES. 

Edited October 1, 2019 by John Cavanaugh

[John Cavanaugh]

16 minutes ago, Lars Kjær said:

Arh but as a jobless neet (btw what's a neet?) all I have is my pride..

And I think I debunked your assesment that small differences doens't matter much nicely. They're not small differences and they ALWAYS end up favoring the vet and where did the newbs go? WoT? WoWS? I have no idea, but I know that when I read nationchat, when I read global it's always the same players and when I try to help in helpchat I sometimes gets a bit disheartened that the players seeking guidence never graduate to global chat. Never becomes part of our ever so toxic but still somewhat lovable community.

Where did they go?

Ship matters, guns matter, etc. in duel of “equal” ships this matters. I fight Gringo his PB wappen vs my AI captured third rate with meds no upgrade no books. I win. Why? Trash Ai 3rd is better ship than wappen. These small edges HELP they do not WIN For you. How many times I see on streams noob in 5th rate with mediums on his surprise dying to frigate with carronade? Was it port bonus that won this fight?

 

edit

where did new players go? They died with training clans. Nobody spares time for new players except on forum. These noobs are never TAUGHT the wind. Never TAUGHT that to maneuver and position is more important than to go fast. Never TAUGHT what mistakes they make. I am shit player but I almost never die 1vs1 because players like MaliceA4Thought, CptChimera, Hachi and others showed me where I was being retarded. These noobs die because they don’t know how to fight, and then are shown a boogyman of meta ships. How many 3rd rate are killed by Snow? How many raatvisan by Hercules? Because these noobs never learn to sail

Edited October 1, 2019 by John Cavanaugh

[Genevieve Malfleurs]

34 minutes ago, John Cavanaugh said:

Ship matters, guns matter, etc. in duel of “equal” ships this matters. I fight Gringo his PB wappen vs my AI captured third rate with meds no upgrade no books. I win. Why? Trash Ai 3rd is better ship than wappen. These small edges HELP they do not WIN For you. How many times I see on streams noob in 5th rate with mediums on his surprise dying to frigate with carronade? Was it port bonus that won this fight?

 

edit

where did new players go? They died with training clans. Nobody spares time for new players except on forum. These noobs are never TAUGHT the wind. Never TAUGHT that to maneuver and position is more important than to go fast. Never TAUGHT what mistakes they make. I am shit player but I almost never die 1vs1 because players like MaliceA4Thought, CptChimera, Hachi and others showed me where I was being retarded. These noobs die because they don’t know how to fight, and then are shown a boogyman of meta ships. How many 3rd rate are killed by Snow? How many raatvisan by Hercules? Because these noobs never learn to sail

Literally no one ever says these differences win the battle for you. It´s just that heavily modded ships with boni and the rare books haven´t much in common with their basic versions. Thus they´d also merit a heavily rised battle rating... if we stick with the - in my eyes - very stupid ROE regarding the battle-rating .

[HachiRoku]

1 hour ago, John Cavanaugh said:

Bla bla bla words of a jobless NEET. 

That's a really good argument. Even rednecks like yourself deserve an opinion. 

[John Cavanaugh]

48 minutes ago, HachiRoku said:

That's a really good argument. Even rednecks like yourself deserve an opinion. 

My neck is not red, Massa lets me work inside 

[DreamMaker]

2 hours ago, HachiRoku said:

 

In most cases, Goebbels didn’t lie  Like you ofc.. you say "SORRY never did a 25v25 against any clan period". it is true, but it is also a lie, as a separate phrase taken out of context, you are good at using such tricks. You cant understand it, because your intellect is only enough for talk about "i will ez crash russian zerg, bat player with average skills ez kill me", go lear win players with average skills before. 

P.S. why you think what i keep atleast 1 screen with battle vs you?

Edited October 1, 2019 by DreamMaker

[John Cavanaugh]

1 hour ago, DreamMaker said:

go lear win players with average skills before. 

Big words but you let me T board your constitution with a Herc

[DreamMaker]

2 minutes ago, John Cavanaugh said:

Big words but you let me T board your constitution with a Herc

My average skills no enough, i can kill only haci. Everyone know it.

Sorry i dont know how are you, but i think better then me in pvp anyway, if you write it. It is ok, I'm not going to dispute this.

[HachiRoku]

4 hours ago, DreamMaker said:

In most cases, Goebbels didn’t lie  Like you ofc.. you say "SORRY never did a 25v25 against any clan period". it is true, but it is also a lie, as a separate phrase taken out of context, you are good at using such tricks. You cant understand it, because your intellect is only enough for talk about "i will ez crash russian zerg, bat player with average skills ez kill me", go lear win players with average skills before. 

P.S. why you think what i keep atleast 1 screen with battle vs you?

Hehe. You really cannot comprehend what is going on around you

Right now you feel pretty smart but you have no idea how stupid that post just made you look. 

I never said sorry never lost a 25v25 port battle. I said that lord vicious said sorry never lost a 25v25 port battle. I was mocking lv.

That screenshot proves nafing. Its 24 sorry. Show me 1 screenshot of sorry loosing a 25v25 port battle, You see what I did there? 

You say I am good at using tricks but there is no tricks. My posts in national news are nothing more than  random nonsense. If you confuse nonsense with tricks you are really lost. 

I use words like smash and trash because they are funny stupid and nonsensical. Notice how mad North viking and yourself get when I say it though? You get triggered. It works and even if I tell people I'm trolling them they still take offense.

Have you ever noticed that noone actually argues with me about the shit I say? Maybe it's because they all get it and you and staun don't. 

 

Edited October 1, 2019 by HachiRoku

[HachiRoku]

4 hours ago, John Cavanaugh said:

My neck is not red, Massa lets me work inside 

damn, I was really hoping you would give me a long speech explaining your point again because I did not read what you said. Damn you get me bra.

[Vinnie]

Did some thinking about possible reasons for the decline of the game.  I think that the game fails in one key area;

--  The game needs to be fun for people of all skill levels. --

That doesn't mean that skill level shouldn't determine who wins an engagement, of course it should.  But all skill levels and ranks must have a role to play or things get boring and frustrating fast.  Expecting many people to suffer through a hundred hours of getting sunk by better players in better ships within ten minutes of leaving the capital zone is just silly.  Most people won't stick around long enough to "get gud". 

And even the people who don't "get gud" enough should be able to have fun.  Think of the difference between these two scenarios;

1) Player sails out of Shroud Cay into the patrol zone.  Enters a 3 v 3 battle, fires some guns, takes a few hits, expends some adrenaline, participates in some team conversations, gets sunk and winds up in Shroud with both experience points and experience.

2) Player sails out of Shroud Cay toward the patrol zone.  Gets jumped behind the island by six players who taunt him while sinking him in five minutes.  He winds up back in Shroud pissed off as hell, having gained nothing except a desire to leave a bad review and deinstall the game.

The players in scenario 2 don't seem to realize that they are eating their seed corn.  They will wail about a lack of content, watch the game decline and blame everything but their short-sighted egotism.  It is the same as if WoW allowed level 20 characters to PvP in the lower level areas.  Pretty soon there wouldn't be any new level 20 characters, everyone getting tired of getting their head pounded into the ground while being told to "get gud". 

Human nature being what it is you won't end scenario 2 without game mechanics.  Some have been proposed; Ranked level zones, no exp for gank-level kills, etc...  Till some way of allowing the average players to participate in the game, the game will decline.

As anyone who has fought against me will testify, I'm an average player.  My skills won't wow anyone.  Until recently I still enjoyed the game but find myself logging in less and less.  Opportunities for anything but getting ganked four-to-one are few.  Its become frustrating and boring.  

Forum is still fun though.  Hope it continues after the servers are shut down next year. 

Vinnie

[Preechur Blackheart]

on a brighter side, two of us US players left Shroud Cay last night, came across an enemy, and had a delightful pre-battle conversation with him while we waited for an ally of his to show us and have an equal fight, which was a lot of fun. We could have ganked him, but it was more fun to choose to wait for more equal odds. We need to model the behavior we seek in others...

[Vinnie]

30 minutes ago, Preechur Blackheart said:

on a brighter side, two of us US players left Shroud Cay last night, came across an enemy, and had a delightful pre-battle conversation with him while we waited for an ally of his to show us and have an equal fight, which was a lot of fun. We could have ganked him, but it was more fun to choose to wait for more equal odds. We need to model the behavior we seek in others...

100% agree, I've had lots of fun conversations with opposing players in the game.  I miss open-world conversations, those have been fun too, very few abusive.  For a MMOG the population is unusually civil overall.  One day I was in a Requim (which I can't sail for shit) when engaged by an expert in the same (Latron I believe).  He spent 15 minutes giving me lessons before sinking me.  A gentleman and a sailor.  Not often you hear someone say "now shoot at this part of my mast"...

[John Cavanaugh]

2 hours ago, HachiRoku said:

damn, I was really hoping you would give me a long speech explaining your point again because I did not read what you said. Damn you get me bra.

The Irishman didn’t read

color me shocked