Captin, we're safe! .. Are we?

[Moria15]

3 minutes ago, Licinio Chiavari said:

Excuse me: what's original name of this server?
Wasnt it merged with another server? what's the original name of the merged server?

The origional names of this server were ..  tadaaaaa  Server 1  which was PvE and PvP.. then it became NA which was PvE and PvP  and then it was merged with  Server 2  which was renamed EU/Global ( or something) which was PvE and PvP  and then they were merged and became Caribean which is PvE and PvP.   There has never been a PvP ONLY server.

Edited September 5, 2018 by Moria15

[Licinio Chiavari]

Just now, Lovec1990 said:

PvP EU/Glabal and PvE it was when i came, but if they remove all PvE from carribean they will pretty much kill the server 

Exactly. This server is the PvP server. A PvE/PvP division in the same game is: the PvE server is ONLY PvE. The PvP is the same of PvE with (more or less free) PvP allowed. Period.
Granted you can choose the PvE server, by the time you choose the PvP one you're stating you're ready to PvP. Prey or predator, no matter

[Percival Merewether]

17 minutes ago, Licinio Chiavari said:

Nice pic. Our job. Would be this different with 2 Trincos side to side killing Bellona crew with 4x2 bow chasers loaded with grape? Or with 3 Hercules doing the same with 4x3?

We are talking about Safe Zones... Do WHATEVER you want in OW,.

14 minutes ago, Licinio Chiavari said:

In the instant someone chooses "PVP server" (in place of PVE server), he's formally saying he's a PvPer; experienced or not, skilled or not, rich and geared or not.
He's still stating he's a PvPer.

It's not a PvP-only server, its's called "Carribbean".

6 minutes ago, Licinio Chiavari said:

Excuse me: what's original name of this server?
Wasnt it merged with another server? what's the original name of the merged server?

We are testing a game... Original names DO NOT MATTER, what a new player sees is "Caribbean - Medium Population" and "PVE Only - Low Population".

Whilst testing the game we have discovered that your actions towards new players INSIDE the safe zone is detrimental to the game, hence we would like to change it.

3 hours ago, Palatinose said:

Licinio I'm not sure whether it's my linear expanding antipathy on hit and run players or the exponentially rising dislike against your stubborn argumentation, but I will try to not comment further. #triggermebabe

I'm so glad I'm not the only one with that opinion of him.

Edited September 5, 2018 by Percival Merewether

[Licinio Chiavari]

2 minutes ago, Moria15 said:

The origional names of this server were ..  tadaaaaa  Server 1  which was PvE and PvP.. then it became NA which was PvE and PvP  and then it was merged with  Server 2  which was renamed EU/Global ( or something) which was PvE and PvP  and then they were merged and became Caribean which is PvE and PvP.   There has never been a PvP ONLY server.

Again. Are you kidding?

(almost)ANY GAME has a PVE component, smaller or bigger.

You can choose to play only that one... or ALSO PvP. And I think ANYONE knows what joining a PvP server means.

[Licinio Chiavari]

1 minute ago, Percival Merewether said:

We are talking about Safe Zones... Do WHATEVER you want in OW,.

We were almost in KPR secondary channel.

2 minutes ago, Percival Merewether said:

It's not a PvP-only server, its's called "Carribbean".

#fakenews. It's the PvP enable. THE OTHER IS PVE-ONLY. I think my 11 years old son knows what's PVE and PVP and what's a PVP server (and what means ingame) by 5+ years.

3 minutes ago, Percival Merewether said:

We are testing a game... Original names DO NOT MATTER, what a new player sees is "Caribbean - Medium Population" and "PVE Only - Low Population".

Again: "PVE ONLY". What's missing?

4 minutes ago, Percival Merewether said:

Whilst testing the game we have discovered that your actions towards new players INSIDE the safe zone is detrimental to the game

"My actions"? I'm the only one?
"New players"? A top-rank is a "NEW PLAYER"? are you kidding? If you say he could be a (-n eternal) noob, is another story.

[Licinio Chiavari]

7 minutes ago, Percival Merewether said:

hence we would like to change it.

Didnt I say "neutral starting no-PvP zone"?

8 minutes ago, Percival Merewether said:

I'm so glad I'm not the only one with that opinion of him.

Hypocrisy No Limits.

[Moria15]

11 minutes ago, Licinio Chiavari said:

Again. Are you kidding?

(almost)ANY GAME has a PVE component, smaller or bigger.

You can choose to play only that one... or ALSO PvP. And I think ANYONE knows what joining a PvP server means.

nope not kidding..  but hey, you seem to believe that whatever you want to do is justified no matter the consequences and that as a typical min/max coward will use whatever you can to min/max your experience at the expense of anyone else who wants to play the game by blaming the rules setup or your own defenition of words to justify your morally contemptable actions.    

One day you will realise that just because you CAN do something doesn't mean that it is right or acceptable or even smart to do so.    

You certainly win the prize of being the typical min/maxer who is smart but has no empathy, self-perception or social awareness of any kind. He's intolerable to spend time around  and is generally best avoided.  (quote from Gary Gygax in 1975)

 

Edited September 5, 2018 by Moria15

[Dibbler (Retired)]

Things were ok before so what changed?

 

Ah yes the Requiem.

So as we go on more Req's appear and guess what..... the issue gets worse.

 

It's kinda hillarious really,  I have to tell new guys that the area supposed to protect them is as useful as a chocolate teapot.

 

Biggest issue i think is the rienforcements you get, with a Herc at least now is an AI 5th rate however with a req what do they get.... a snow, a merc, a navy brig.

Are devs so blind they cannot see issue here?

Edited September 5, 2018 by Dibbler

[Hethwill]

The Zone gankers should NOT complain about being interrupted while they "farm".

[Percival Merewether]

11 minutes ago, Licinio Chiavari said:

#fakenews. It's the PvP enable. THE OTHER IS PVE-ONLY. I think my 11 years old son knows what's PVE and PVP and what's a PVP server (and what means ingame) by 5+ years.

Again: "PVE ONLY". What's missing?

Don't be so ignorat...

11 minutes ago, Licinio Chiavari said:

"My actions"? I'm the only one?

Don't worry, there are plenty of Bootless hell-hated boar-pigs out there - you're not the only one.

courtesy of the shakespearean insult generator

Edited September 5, 2018 by Percival Merewether

[Moria15]

1 minute ago, Dibbler said:

Things were ok before so what changed?

 

Ah yes the Requiem.

No I don't think things were OK before, which is why the game hemorrhaged players..  what has happened recently is that Requiem has highlighted the issues to the extent that it has by making it the go-to ship for this type of gameplay.   Previous to this, it just wasn't so obvious although people have been requesting this situation be looked at for 2 years now, it is the finality of Requiem that may just have created enough of a situation to actually start really looking at it..

[Licinio Chiavari]

2 minutes ago, Moria15 said:

nope not kidding..  but hey, you seem to believe that whatever you want to do is justified no matter the consequences and that as a typical min/max coward will use whatever you can to min/max your experience at the expense of anyone else who wants to play the game by blaming the rules setup or your own defenition of words to justify your morally contemptable actions.

Chess can be considered a fair PvP game. Isnt a ChessMaster min/maxing his move to "win"?
There's no cowardice in min/max-ing. It's in the end player "duty".

I do not remember a lot of expert "de-mast-ers" not demasting being a broken feature. Nor I do not remember elite vets not sterncamping a 1st rate (being another broken feature). Nor I do not remember PB commanders giving the victory to the enemy because enemy fleet is badly assembled, outnumbered or made by unexperienced players. Do you?

5 minutes ago, Moria15 said:

One day you will realise that just because you CAN do something doesn't mean that it is right or acceptable or even smart to do so.    

I know pretty well. Ethics is serious stuff.

But this is a warfare game. Which part of the word "warfare" you missed?

Let's make another example: "I do not consider mast sniping fair" (aside being totally crap realism-wise). "So I WANT nobody to EVER try to demast me".
Would you consider such a statement reasonable?

8 minutes ago, Moria15 said:

You certainly win the prize of being the typical min/maxer who is smart but has no empathy, self-perception or social awareness of any kind. He's intolerable to spend time around  and is generally best avoided.

Every gamer, in every game is (or should be) a min/maxer. Isnt stacking repair or penetration mods a min/maxing?
I am pretty sure to be well more social aware (in truth - in reality - not in a game) than a good 95+% of world population.

Still... THIS IS A WARFARE SIMULATION. And I do not create the rules. I use them. As everyone does.

And as a "tester" I HAVE TO MIN MAX EVEN MORE - To let devs make the game more balanced.

 

 

[Dibbler (Retired)]

20 minutes ago, Licinio Chiavari said:

We were almost in KPR secondary channel.

#fakenews. It's the PvP enable. THE OTHER IS PVE-ONLY. I think my 11 years old son knows what's PVE and PVP and what's a PVP server (and what means ingame) by 5+ years.

Again: "PVE ONLY". What's missing?

"My actions"? I'm the only one?
"New players"? A top-rank is a "NEW PLAYER"? are you kidding? If you say he could be a (-n eternal) noob, is another story.

 

To be honest i am amazed you have a 11 year old son, the way you hold a discussion made me assume you were a 14 year old.

 

 

Edited September 5, 2018 by Dibbler

[Licinio Chiavari]

7 minutes ago, Hethwill the Harmless said:

The Zone gankers should NOT complain about being interrupted while they "farm".

Not complaining. I almost never complain. Still it was used to say to not disturb a predator while having his meal.

Joking aside: we were not complaining. We were seeing a silly behaviour in our opinion.

TODAY the breaking news is British safezone has to be protected from raiders.

I DO NOT REMEMBER nothing close to this when Pirates and Prussians were farming far more, with a far more unbeatable and killing meta (the Wasas stardestroyers) US coast.

[Sir Loorkon]

2 minutes ago, Licinio Chiavari said:

My actions"? I'm the only one?
"New players"? A top-rank is a "NEW PLAYER"? are you kidding? If you say he could be a (-n eternal) noob, is another story.

You use a machanic that is possible and allowed. You kill players with low PvP experiance in a reinforcementzone and you use a ship (leReq) that is capable to kill a player with no experiance in PvP within minutes. The question is: Why there is such a ship and why is it possible that new or unexperianced players have no protection against an average PvP player in an overcrewed ship? The answer is simple: le Req. changed the game. 

In the past I hunted or ganked often in reinforcementzones with my Endymion. I sank a lot of players but the british costgard (esp. MassimoSud) sunk me a lot of times, too. I never hunted players with a rank under master and commander and when I did by accidend, I gave them new ships or the marks I got from sinking them. 

We all should learn that not everything that is possible is also good. Maybe that is impossible because we are humans. Humans have a potential high individual inteligence but our collective inteligence is below that of ants.

The developers should change the savety of the reinforcementzone as recommended by Percival in his thread dealing with this topic. They also should take a very close look what the le Req Has done to the „funfactor“ of this game.

[Hethwill]

Memory is selective. Plus we usually only look to details that interest us.

I think you are making a storm in a cup.  

[Dibbler (Retired)]

8 minutes ago, Licinio Chiavari said:

Not complaining. I almost never complain. Still it was used to say to not disturb a predator while having his meal.

Joking aside: we were not complaining. We were seeing a silly behaviour in our opinion.

TODAY the breaking news is British safezone has to be protected from raiders.

I DO NOT REMEMBER nothing close to this when Pirates and Prussians were farming far more, with a far more unbeatable and killing meta (the Wasas stardestroyers) US coast.

 

Perhaps farming spanish waters would cut game population more maybe we should do it.

Farm the living hell out of all the nation zones watch that server pop fall to the point they turn off the dead servers?

 

I'm game, lets do this...

 

 

 

 

Edited September 5, 2018 by Dibbler

[Percival Merewether]

2 minutes ago, Licinio Chiavari said:

Still... THIS IS A WARFARE SIMULATION. And I do not create the rules. I use them. As everyone does.

And as a "tester" I HAVE TO MIN MAX EVEN MORE - To let devs make the game more balanced.

That's good Licinio, I see that you are starting the grasp the concept of testing - baby steps, but we'll get there.

To make it really simple for you to comprehend: You have done your job in proving it, well done. Now we are trying to fix it.

All in the name of balance 😊

[Licinio Chiavari]

8 minutes ago, Percival Merewether said:

Don't be so ignorat...

I'm not the one who looks like not knowing (aka being ignorant) what to espect in a PvP server.

10 minutes ago, Percival Merewether said:

Don't worry, there are plenty of Bootless hell-hated boar-pigs out there - you're not the only one.

At least. I felt too honoured. An honour I do not deserve.

[Licinio Chiavari]

2 minutes ago, Sir Loorkon said:

You use a machanic that is possible and allowed. You kill players with low PvP experiance in a reinforcementzone and you use a ship (leReq) that is capable to kill a player with no experiance in PvP within minutes. The question is: Why there is such a ship and why is it possible that new or unexperianced players have no protection against an average PvP player in an overcrewed ship? The answer is simple: le Req. changed the game. 

In the past I hunted or ganked often in reinforcementzones with my Endymion. I sank a lot of players but the british costgard (esp. MassimoSud) sunk me a lot of times, too. I never hunted players with a rank under master and commander and when I did by accidend, I gave them new ships or the marks I got from sinking them. 

We all should learn that not everything that is possible is also good. Maybe that is impossible because we are humans. Humans have a potential high individual inteligence but our collective inteligence is below that of ants.

The developers should change the savety of the reinforcementzone as recommended by Percival in his thread dealing with this topic. They also should take a very close look what the le Req Has done to the „funfactor“ of this game.

No mate. I (we) attack any possible target.

We usually avoid bigger SOL only due to... safezone ROE. Requiring plenty time we know that 90+% we'll be interrupted by plenty revenge fleet joining.

As I stated in the past, I was an hit and run fast boarder... 2 years ago.
Requin is only the perfect ship to be a hit-run fast boarder.

I did gave back more than a few ships to some "victims". I do accepted ransom to let a trader pass. I do escorted british trader in spanish waters for a reasonable fee.

[Licinio Chiavari]

4 minutes ago, Hethwill the Harmless said:

Memory is selective. Plus we usually only look to details that interest us.

I think you are making a storm in a cup.  

Me? I simply got a mix of upset and fun looking to such level of whining for some requins killing a bunch of brits.

So much whining I NEVER saw in the past when balancing issue were far bigger sometimes.

[huliotkd]

2 hours ago, Longshot said:

Honestly, I can't understand why PVPers players want to force into pvp people who doing there best to avoid pvp. 

cause you joined PVP Server???

[Licinio Chiavari]

5 minutes ago, Dibbler said:

Perhaps farming spanish waters would cut game population more maybe we should do it.

Farm the living hell out of all the zones watch that server pop fall to the point they turn off the dead servers?

Last brits farming Spanish waters didnt end well... for the brits.

[Dibbler (Retired)]

3 minutes ago, Licinio Chiavari said:

Last brits farming Spanish waters didnt end well... for the brits.

 

I wasn't talking about only Brits

 

[Licinio Chiavari]

6 minutes ago, Percival Merewether said:

That's good Licinio, I see that you are starting the grasp the concept of testing - baby steps, but we'll get there.

To make it really simple for you to comprehend: You have done your job in proving it, well done. Now we are trying to fix it.

All in the name of balance 😊

No. I'm not starting to have a grasp. I had already.
YOU are starting to have a grasp on me.

And I called various balancing options both for gear gap, rewards unbalances, safezone for newbies. Read around.