Christendom Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 At least it tells you when ya can't join. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knobby Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 so are larger ships now allowed to enter shallow PB (if they can actually get there)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christendom Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, Knobby said: so are larger ships now allowed to enter shallow PB (if they can actually get there)? Yes, I was about to join this former 4th rate PB in a santi, until we noticed how low the BR was. it is now a quantity vs quality type of PB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Christendom said: Yes, I was about to join this former 4th rate PB in a santi, until we noticed how low the BR was. it is now a quantity vs quality type of PB. Further on to this, I believe Shallow Water ports do have a limit that doesn't allow 5th rates or higher to enter - although haven't tested it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, Peter Goldman said: Some shallow ports got 6k BR limits I noticed - although I wonder if the ships will even have access to get into the area for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, Christendom said: It is now a quantity vs quality type of PB. I don't think its quantity vs quality. The goal was to promote mixed fleets and variety. I believe it will be achieved as having 10 santisimas no longer guarantees HMS victory. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Teutonic said: I noticed - although I wonder if the ships will even have access to get into the area for it Warrant a review of the Bahamas, that's for sure... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knobby Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 minute ago, ShroudedRecluse said: ok, not going to lie, this is the first patch in quite a while that actually has me excited previous ones were more along the lines 'meh, that's nice, might work' etc probably not going tobe the case, but can pirate refit LGV's ONLY be sailed if you are a member of the pirate nation? Because something is blocking captains flying a non-black flag from clamping swivels to their railing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landsman Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Peter Goldman said: Why these ports have a shallow status? I do believe there should be way more shallows around Bahamas, it is the only place we can have maximum fun with shallows ships, yet players use 4th rates for grinding them. Same other shallow ports. Pyrates would love more shallows in Bahamas So much this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 I'm very happy with these changes and can't wait to test them. Especially the improved turn rate on the endymion (which still needs a slightly better sailing profile - it was the best frigate in the world for 50 years after all and all british captains that wrote ship reports on her praised her sailing characteristics).. But the admiralty PvP store seems a very nice touch, the mixed fleets is going to give a lot more variety (I hope).. Wonderfull! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christendom Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 minute ago, admin said: I don't think its quantity vs quality. The goal was to promote mixed fleets and variety. I believe it will be achieved as having 10 santisimas no longer guarantees HMS victory. Then the circle captures need to be based on BR and not numbers. ASAP. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havelock Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 minute ago, admin said: I don't think its quantity vs quality. The goal was to promote mixed fleets and variety. I believe it will be achieved as having 10 santisimas no longer guarantees HMS victory. Only if you adjust BR ratings. Right now a few ships have by far the best HP and broadside weight to BR ratio. Maybe the community made BR list for the tournament would be a good start: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, Havelock said: Only if you adjust BR ratings. Right now a few ships have by far the best HP and broadside weight to BR ratio. Maybe the community made BR list for the tournament would be a good start: Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Christendom said: Then the circle captures need to be based on BR and not numbers. ASAP. IMO quite the opposite, will you bring less numbers and more "ooomph" raw power or numbers to fast capture strategic locations ? Am I interpreting the choice factor of fleet line up versus PB objectivs in a wrong way ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, Intrepido said: It could be better with 4400, which means a max of 17 wasas. Allowing only 17 wasas will make the PB commander doubt about its suitability. There are no more 4th rate port battles. You can take first rates into 4th rate battles now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aster Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, ShroudedRecluse said: no - more because a PIRATE refit ship would make more sense to be saild by - hrmmm - lemme think about this for a while - oh yeah - pirates! since we however can use all sorts of refits in out perma upgrades, is why i said i doubt it owuld be the case, and it was a quesion Cool and pirates cant sail anything larger then a 5th rate seems good... oh wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 9 minutes ago, Christendom said: Then the circle captures need to be based on BR and not numbers. ASAP. lets first see the port battle where 25 cutters win against the mixed fleet of first rates and fast scouting frigates (like surprises) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Intrepido said: But what about a shallow water port with so high BR? Could a santi enter it? there are 2 types of port battles. shallow water port battles don't allow ships above cerberus (as before). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 15 minutes ago, ShroudedRecluse said: no - more because a PIRATE refit ship would make more sense to be saild by - hrmmm - lemme think about this for a while - oh yeah - pirates! So, then make lineships only sailable by Nationals. No more lineships for pirates (also not through boarding ofc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 17 minutes ago, The Red Duke said: IMO quite the opposite, will you bring less numbers and more "ooomph" raw power or numbers to fast capture strategic locations ? Am I interpreting the choice factor of fleet line up versus PB objectivs in a wrong way ? The goal is to promote mixed fleets. Mixed fleets will probably win against pure numbers (25 cutters) or limited raw power (8 first rates). Its a game first. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, admin said: The goal is to promote mixed fleets. Mixed fleets will win against both numbers or limited raw power. Then I interpret it correctly Many thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knobby Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 18 minutes ago, admin said: There are no more 4th rate port battles. You can take first rates into 4th rate battles now. Is there a similar change for shallow PB? You need to tell us this stuff, especially now that we need to really control which ships we will take in PB! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 20 minutes ago, ShroudedRecluse said: no - more because a PIRATE refit ship would make more sense to be saild by - hrmmm - lemme think about this for a while - oh yeah - pirates! since we however can use all sorts of refits in out perma upgrades, is why i said i doubt it owuld be the case, and it was a quesion Could we please forego with the juvenile enamore of the pirates? They did not do anything any other navy didn't do at the time and in fact had less ressources - tactically, specialist know-how and industrial (large caliber cannons were practically on seen on navy ships and the instances where a pirate succesfully captured a navyship can be counted in one hand as far as I know). So in short - pirates were (historically) in small trading ships, with low caliber cannons and often had crew shortages due to no-one in their right mind would go pirate unless forced to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Peter Goldman said: Yes,that doesn't change the fact that circle control should be based on BR. Who controls the capture zone: 2 cutters vs Satissima Trinidad I'm so gonna cutter-spawn you ass oh wait... Denmark-Norway prob can't field that many cutters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Peter Goldman said: 2 cutters vs Satissima Trinidad as i said above.. in this pure case two cutters will cap the zone but lets see the port battle where 25 cutters win against 13 first rates rephrasing: if we allow cap by BR - the goal won't be achieved. Because 13 first rates will always win and there will be no benefit in taking lighter ships - e.g. everyone will sail max br ships into a port battle 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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