Your Opinons about logging out in front of PB port

[Captain Alexander]

Since this ''game feature'' is out of the hands now and being used at nearly every port battle, we need to talk about it and see what community think and their opinions about it.

By most it's considered as a game mechanic abuse/exploit to gain advantage against their enemies to get into port battle without a fight.

There is a poll. Thread without flaming and name calling.

[Guest]

I don't think it's any more of an exploit than the current RoE allowing small contingents of screeners tagging far larger battle fleets. Or the nightflipping "feature" that allows you to take empty ports - that's fortunately going to be fixed with the EU server and so is the logging out in front of PBs along with the RoE if I understand the testbed server correctly..

[Tiedemann]

Log our is NECESSARY to counter the massive ZERG alliance screening. With out log out, small nations can't enter pbs. When we get new ROE that works for PB fleets, the log out possibility should be removed imo.

Edited March 22, 2017 by Tiedemann

[Guest]

i cant see it harder then just add a 5 min wait penalty from when you login untill you can enter a PB

[Liq]

Wasn't the 30-min thing coming anyway so that people that log in to OW won't be able to join a pb for 30 min?

[Captain Alexander]

7 minutes ago, Tiedemann said:

Log our is NECESSARY to counter the massive ZERG alliance. With out log out, small nations can't enter pbs. When we get new ROE that works for PB fleets, the log out possibility should be removed imo. 

That's completely false. Pretty much everytime there is equal number of screeners from both sides and sometimes eastern alliance come with even greater numbers. Strangely enough you don't see western alliance logging out even when they come without any kind of screeners and they still get into port battle. Using ZERG alliance as an excuse to log out in front of PB port is just silly.

[Kloothommel]

If screening wasn't so effective, it wouldn't be needed.

Edited March 22, 2017 by Kloothommel

[Powderhorn]

No massive memes in this thread, please.  They usually cause threads to derail into massive off-topic, National News-worthy threads that are a nightmare to clean up.  Ounce of prevention, pound of cure and all that.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Captain Alexander said:

That's completely false. Pretty much everytime there is equal number of screeners from both sides and sometimes eastern alliance come with even greater numbers. Strangely enough you don't see western alliance logging out even when they come without any kind of screeners and they still get into port battle. Using ZERG alliance as an excuse to log out in front of PB port is just silly.

First off: It's untrue that the eastern alliance has as many screeners as the brit faction.. Either you haven't been in screening actions or you're simply suffering from a selective memory. Secondly: The problem is the RoE - not the screens.. When the RoE mechanic is fixed the screening becomes harder and then it will make sense to remove the feature that is logging out in front of a PB..

[Remus]

I'm too new here to have engaged in RvR, but quite honestly the idea of having to fight your way through to be able to join the PB sounds daft. You aleady did the fighting when raising contention a couple of days earlier. So I vote legitimate tactic to combat flawed game mechanic.

[Zooloo]

RvR has it's issues and needs improvements of course, but logging out in a precise spot in order to get an advantage at respawn sounds like an exploit to me. It s clearly intented by game design that attackers have to sail to the target I'm no RvR player and have no clue what should be changed about screening, but avoiding game designed rules thanks to dirty tactics like logging out is exploiting.

Dev should setup a closest friendly port respawn rule when logging in.

Edited March 22, 2017 by Zooloo

[Captain Alexander]

18 minutes ago, Bearwall said:

First off: It's untrue that the eastern alliance has as many screeners as the brit faction.. Either you haven't been in screening actions or you're simply suffering from a selective memory. Secondly: The problem is the RoE - not the screens.. When the RoE mechanic is fixed the screening becomes harder and then it will make sense to remove the feature that is logging out in front of a PB..

I didn't participate in port battles for the past week, but was in pretty much every PB before that.  Lately at Islamorada, Bridgetown we couldn't even leave the port because it was littery surrounded with screeners and all we had was just a few frigates. We couldn't leave the port while enemies logged in the server and joined directly to port battle. On other side others still do screening during their defense port battle effectively. Screening in general is activity and gameplay for lower ranked players or the ones without a right ship. I also find it extremely sad that someone is forcing others to log out and don't play the game for hours or even a full day like the ones that are sailing to Bermuda this evening.

[Corona Lisa]

4 minutes ago, Rickard said:

thats just realy sad......

#OrganiseBetter

#WorkTogetherWithYourAllies

You saw the numbers right?

55% Brits + US + VP vs 30% FR + SW + SP + DN

On top of that pirates (15%) are also screening for you.

But hey, I guess we just have to organize better even with half of your numbers and the fact that 5 random ships can tag the whole pb fleet.

[Christendom]

1 minute ago, JonSnowLetsGo said:

You saw the numbers right?

55% Brits + US + VP vs 30% FR + SW + SP + DN

On top of that pirates (15%) are also screening for you.

But hey, I guess we just have to organize better even with half of your numbers and the fact that 5 random ships can tag the whole pb fleet.

Those numbers are not indicative of RVR fleets.  Have you seen 5 GB fleets lately?  Cmon buddy, don't play stupid.  

[Corona Lisa]

4 minutes ago, Christendom said:

Those numbers are not indicative of RVR fleets.  Have you seen 5 GB fleets lately?  Cmon buddy, don't play stupid.  

Numbers dont lie, buddy. Why do you believe people who join Brits in the starting screen are more prone to avoid RvR then in other nations?

Edited March 22, 2017 by JonSnowLetsGo

[Captain Alexander]

8 minutes ago, JonSnowLetsGo said:

Numbers dont lie, buddy. Why do you believe people who join Brits in the starting screen are more prone to avoid RvR then in other nations?

You're free to come to our teamspeak to talk to our PB commanders and ask what are real numbers of players who actually join port battles. Instead of spraying false information.

[Christendom]

5 minutes ago, JonSnowLetsGo said:

Numbers dont lie, buddy. Why do you believe people who join Brits in the starting screen are more prone to avoid RvR then in other nations?

Brits will naturally be more of a catch all for casual players being the major historical power of the day.  Casual players are less apt to want to travel distances to engage in RVR....aka leave home waters.  Now if you were to flip a PB on the island of Jamaica you'd see far more support than usual, the further you go out the less the casual player is willing to sail.  Which is of course true in every nation, but GB being the largest it will have the largest drop off.  

Currently right now I would wager that you have more RVR players that are willing to play than our side of the alliance.  Recent attacks and showings of numbers supports this.

[Sir Texas Sir]

1 hour ago, Tiedemann said:

Log our is NECESSARY to counter the massive ZERG alliance screening. With out log out, small nations can't enter pbs. When we get new ROE that works for PB fleets, the log out possibility should be removed imo.

On PvP2 we have to log out in front cause we all don't have the same time/work so some have to get there early and log out.  So instead of coming in small groups we pick a point and log out cause pirates can barely field a full 25.  While the US/GB/Dutch can and have fieelded 25+ any where from 10-25 screeners at some port battles.  So if we don't log out before the port battle we will never get into the fight for the port.  I kinda can see it on a server that has a large population and there is never a problem with having numbers to fill port battles.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Christendom said:

Brits will naturally be more of a catch all for casual players being the major historical power of the day.  Casual players are less apt to want to travel distances to engage in RVR....aka leave home waters.  Now if you were to flip a PB on the island of Jamaica you'd see far more support than usual, the further you go out the less the casual player is willing to sail.  Which is of course true in every nation, but GB being the largest it will have the largest drop off.  

Currently right now I would wager that you have more RVR players that are willing to play than our side of the alliance.  Recent attacks and showings of numbers supports this.

That would apply for all factions.. To expect the other factions to have fewer casual players is based mostly on a presumption that isn't based on facts.

[Christendom]

6 minutes ago, Bearwall said:

That would apply for all factions.. To expect the other factions to have fewer casual players is based mostly on a presumption that isn't based on facts.

 

13 minutes ago, Christendom said:

.Which is of course true in every nation, but GB being the largest it will have the largest drop off.  

 

[Christendom]

Frankly it's an abuse of game mechanics that was supposed to have been patched out with the current patch but was conveniently not.  I find it distasteful and shows zero sport in its use.  I was forced to use it once with the Trinidad port battle and it felt like I was cheating the players who were screening out of their right to defend.  Defense of a port battle should not just be a 25v25 affair.  

Historically screening / blockading is accurate to the time period.  To attack a port you had to take out the ships in front.  A captain could not just log off and then log back in on the open water.  

The BR issue is a problem and needs fixing.  I find the logging out under the swords to be the #1 reason captains are quitting the game.  Not night flips.  

Edited March 22, 2017 by Christendom

[Guest]

Not a fan of it at all and had hoped that it had been a one-off exception for Bermuda instead of escalating, but on the other hand screening is so absolutely bonkers at the moment that I even dislike being a screener. So I'm halfway inbetween the two choices, it's junk but also junk to counter junk.

[Farrago]

1. Fix the screener ROE problem.

2. Require the 30 min prior login.

3. Attackers need to sometimes fight their way through (or run through) to the inner defensive line -- the actual port battle.

4. Increase PB timers from 1 1/2 hours to 2+ hours to allow for the outside combat.

It's more realistic and would most times be a better real life strategy for the defender to engage as far out as possible.

If you don't have the numbers to get through the screeners, you may not have the numbers to be the attacker in a Port Battle. That's realistic. Deploy a vanguard or forward escorts.

[Sir Texas Sir]

3 hours ago, Farrago said:

1. Fix the screener ROE problem.

2. Require the 30 min prior login.

3. Attackers need to sometimes fight their way through (or run through) to the inner defensive line -- the actual port battle.

4. Increase PB timers from 1 1/2 hours to 2+ hours to allow for the outside combat.

It's more realistic and would most times be a better real life strategy for the defender to engage as far out as possible.

If you don't have the numbers to get through the screeners, you may not have the numbers to be the attacker in a Port Battle. That's realistic. Deploy a vanguard or forward escorts.

If the server has the numbers which I will assume with the Global this shouldn't be a problem for most times I'm all for these things.  Specially the fact instead of adding 10 mins to Port Battles before points start they should just make the whole battle 2 hour long.  Along with fix the PB lock out timers to have the last port battle be scheduled 2 hours before server down time and can't be scheduled for two hours after so that there is only a 4 hour window they can't be made in cause of maintenance/updates and I'll be happy.

[Jeheil]

3 hours ago, Farrago said:

1. Fix the screener ROE problem.

2. Require the 30 min prior login.

3. Attackers need to sometimes fight their way through (or run through) to the inner defensive line -- the actual port battle.

4. Increase PB timers from 1 1/2 hours to 2+ hours to allow for the outside combat.

It's more realistic and would most times be a better real life strategy for the defender to engage as far out as possible.

If you don't have the numbers to get through the screeners, you may not have the numbers to be the attacker in a Port Battle. That's realistic. Deploy a vanguard or forward escorts.

Saved me typing, pretty much bang on.

I would say even 10 minute lock on login and I would allow a grace if you logout and log back in within 5 mins (to allow for DC etc) but remain consistent with the end battle screen 'grace' period.