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I'd say they 've tested, removed and added eco and crafting stuff since 2016 with only a few sideshows into combat mechanics. From where I sit it looks like it's never enough for eco guys, and I don't mean that as damning critique, there's just always something else someone wants. At some point you have to go into feature-freeze and work towards release and we're at that point now.

Thomas, are you ok?

I stumbled upon an old chat-log in the steam folder where my first OW fight was recorded. [2015-May-12 20:46:09.953380] jodgi: hi buddy [2015-May-12 21:06:26.661662] Tief N Tote: good fight sir [2015-May-12 21:06:43.935791] Jaeger: here comes the cavalry [2015-May-12 21:07:10.768246] Jaeger: time for swedes to run [2015-May-12 21:07:33.139671] Tief N Tote: i'm done no cannon left [2015-May-12 21:07:42.470086] Jaeger: come towards us [2015-May-12 21:08:10.399197] Tief N Tote: can't see ya [2015-May-12 21:08:20.864258] Jaeger: hear our guns m8 [2015-May-12 21:11:33.976477] jodgi: sorry, tief, just want those xp's ;) [2015-May-12 21:11:54.895393] Jaeger: aaah! how annoying to spawn so far away [2015-May-12 21:47:16.250025] Psico Avalanche: Welcome [2015-May-12 21:47:26.278926] Jaeger: thanks :) [2015-May-12 21:49:40.875106] jodgi: where did tief go to, earlier, Jeager? [2015-May-12 21:49:53.884798] Jaeger: no idea. [2015-May-12 21:50:05.449489] Jaeger: to us it looked like u both went away [2015-May-12 21:50:25.063338] jodgi: he just went poof, right in front of me [2015-May-12 21:50:54.009422] Jaeger: the "coward exploit? " or bug perhaps [2015-May-12 21:51:00.423479] jodgi: anyway, Cerb and all I'm out [2015-May-12 21:51:11.157580] Dom: Get back here! [2015-May-12 21:51:35.554682] jodgi: if would, if I didn't lose the little XP I collected I tagged @Tief N Tote and we had a fight in lynxes or cutters, then the Swedish cavalry came barreling down on me to save Tief. I didn't understand much. I don't remember why I said the "lose xp" thing, was it a thing then or did I just not understand? This bit also cheered me up [2016-Sep-17 22:59:12.217439] : <color=white>[RAKER]jodgi sank [RAKER]MrDoran</color> Let's not talk about how many times it was the other way around, let a man enjoy the little things!

Why is it too hard to go pick up bottle loots in a ventre?

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I know, I know...

I sympathize. It's easy for me to get almost everything I want cheap and easy; I have the patience to set up shop that allows an easy life after it's done. People who have to rely on DLCs and ships bought in shops will struggle economically. You can always cap ships but then you get the worst fighting equipment. We are pushed to join clans to get by, it works but I don't quite trust that to have a globally and lasting positive effect on player recruitment and retention.

Feel free to disregard it, but it's how I'm going to play this sandbox: Get things dirt cheap, I'll even be able to pay for provisions if that's an important point for you, craft ship, lose it and get almost everything back. I'll also use my future prems, but they'll cost me more reals upon loss. I have to disregard LH because they're thrown at me every day in greater quantities then I'm able to spend. It's not a tricksy argument; It's what I'm doing right now and will be doing going forward. Crafted ships are cheaper for me to lose than premiums.

Because it's a top dog: 24 pounders and speed. You can't counter it with anything craftable. Niag would be p2w too (Nassau). Hermie can easily be beaten with a ship costing 18k (with a 15k return on insurance). I will buy all the things, but when they're released I'll go fight them in better ships that will cost me less should I lose and sink. You're right about me being selfish. When I saw what eco did to a game I frantically started thinking "How will I be able to deal with this!?". It's all about me and my fun; I admit it.

Awwww... And I sat down and did all those numbers and you weren't even paying attention! T_T My thinking is not as binary as yours. If Endy was DLC it would be clear cut P2W. You're avoiding my insurance numbers because it doesn't fit your narrative. I'm mostly aboard the other points in your post, good stuff!

Doran and probably Hachi couldn't care less about PZ's. I like that there is a spot on the map where people come to fight and not run, but I understand many objections to it. Our problem now, which is much more sinister, is that long timers make the entire OW into a PZ like experience. May I suggest that you go after the big fish before worrying about a tiny circle everyone can easily avoid? I've felt forced to deal with eco since early 2016. A lot less now since the first proper DLCs are about to come out. But what are you referring to? Who is forced to what? Don't look at me! I'm ok with it. You forget about the role-play aspect many enjoy. There you are, Horatio Hornblower, a penniless lieutenant with a good list of merits but without tangible hopes for a command. Suddenly, out of the blue, you have been charged with the Atropos. Does sound more Age of Sail now, doesn't it? I'm sure they would.

Oh, good, so it wasn't just me. For a moment there I thought there was an expensive way to get resources I didn't know about.

Hmm... Sure, we live with that but not without problems. 90 sec to 2 min timers almost renders the satphone useless and makes the game max possible Age of Sail. Everyone knows this but I don't think everyone wants it. I won't throw sand in those gears.

I see you have missed the topic where "people like me" are fighting to keep lobby stuff out of general OW. We've been at it since 2016. I agree. This has been discussed a lot over the years and I think a centralized trading hub has been rejected by many because it wouldn't be very Age of Sail. I'm easy, tho. How would you set it up?

Are you telling me I'm more economic than the eco guys!? ... I dunno what to do with this revelation. Everyone has to sleep. 7 x say 7 hours of afk sleep fishing. Who can't get along with that?! We're only talking about saving a thou or three, anyway. I would just like to state that Archaos is not my forum alt used for subversive purposes. You mean that people love to charge 300k for a doub-less bluey or 1M for a purple? Ye, proper victims, they are.

I'm ok with you leaving the door ajar like that, I have no more desire to push. Yes, that is true, but my main drive is to see convenience in the hands of other players who then become less timid. I will still run with crafted ships because, as my demonstration indicates, that will allow me to avoid having to grind for reals. It's interesting that arena guys are among the most prominent OW defenders in a time where OW guys seem happy to deconstruct OW with random and arbitrary join timers. You can see them here and there calling for "3!" or "5!" minute timers as if it's impossible to calculate OW distance, speed, view range and find RoE that are the smallest compromise between OW and instances. I only know which side will run out of reals first. This is round two or three with us fighting over prems and p2w, where are you going with this and why? I don't think I fully comprehend.

Yesterday I double checked all the extraction cost, double checked the blueprint, clicked out an oak/oak Essex and long guns for it. I afk fish provisions so I disregard the cost of those and I don't factor in LH as a part of cost. The Essex cost me 9822 reals, the 40 guns cost me 7760 reals; Total 17582 reals. I then went out to sink the poor thing, had to dodge an extremely bloodthirsty brit big ship gank squad swarming DA-NO waters (Yes, I'd rather feed my Essex to a bot than to give the dreadfleet anything). The Essex sank quickly to a Polish Wasa and I was sent to port with 15162 reals as insurance payout. So the whole loss experience set me back 2420 reals. My net loss was equivalent to the cost of the twelve weatherdeck guns. Let's pretend the Essex is a premium ship. I click it out and craft guns for it. Cost of guns is still 7760 reals. If I lose my imaginary premium Essex I get sent to port with nothing while the cost of the guns goes to the bottom with the free ship. Net loss without reps and mod extras would be 7760 reals. Semi related: In tortue auction right now you can pick up a blue Essex at 60k reals or shop up to a blue Belle Poule going for 300k. So, good luck if you decide to immerse yourself into the player driven eco madness. My convenient calculations get more complicated if we are to consider Rättvisan vs. crafted Aga or Wasa. You have to part with almost 3k doubs for those and be the lucky owner of a permit for the Wasa. I'll let the reader decide in spite of @HachiRoku's complete monopoly of the truth, facts and the definition of the term "P2W".

Did the book instruct you to equate Hachi's truth with objective and logical facts?

Ok, you win. There can be no debate when you reserve the right to define the baseline truth and sit on the only possible interpretation of said truths in relation to everything.

I'm looking at it too, not done yet (for Essex). I'm sure buying stuff breaks the bank, player or NPC. I disregard LH as I always have more LH than I ever need (solo crafting for own use). Want to disregard doub and permit "cost" as those things are put in place for other reasons than eco. We agree that permit and doub ships with rare woods wouldn't make you break even with insurance, not even close.

I did the simple math on a corvette, maybe you've done the numbers on bigger ships? I'd like to see those numbers...