Carlo.A.Morabito.Diaz Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Paint schemes on ships throughout history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo.A.Morabito.Diaz Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 I'm very curious regarding this topic. I would like to know what were the types of paint schemes usually used in waships by different nations from the 17th and 18th century. Does anyone know the paint scheme victory had before adopting the yellow and black bumble bee paint scheme. If you have some knowledge regarding this topic or found some interesting articles please leave a reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsafer Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 black with white stripes, the classic yellowish with black trim are a few I can think off the top of my head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakota Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 A great book on the subject is Old Ship Figureheads and Sterns. It has a large section devoted to the evolution of paint-schemes from the Medieval era thru post-Napoleonic, as well as devoting the majority of the book to in detail description of ship's carvings and decoration from the era. A preview can be found here: https://books.google.ca/books?id=4tmS5RbvcXsC&printsec=frontcover&dq=old+ship+figureheads+and+stearns&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dcWEVeD3LpCKyATWzoH4BA&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=old%20ship%20figureheads%20and%20stearns&f=false I recommend searching 'paint scheme' to get to the right chapter. Good luck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Federico de Gravina y N Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) Spanish official colours between 1720 (F) to 1830 (A): The A version is white and black and the F version is the wood colour Edited June 20, 2015 by RAE_Cmdt.Cavero 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Colors applicable to the French naval and merchant Marine to 1650-1850 : Azur blue Prussian blue Smokey black Red ochre Vermilion Grey Sea green Olive green Yellow ochre Naple yellow White Belting Sailcloth T'arrête hemp ropes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 For typical French paint in 1770/80, look the frigate l'Hermione. http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/4906-french-frigate-lhermione/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryga Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) You see this a lot with 17th century dutch paint sceme's: Just the wood colour with a top layer of blue or sometimes something else. Edited June 21, 2015 by Ryga 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo.A.Morabito.Diaz Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share Posted June 22, 2015 Was Santisima Trinidad's paint scheme unique and normally not used? Do you guys know another ship with that paint scheme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destraex Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I think we may have to look to contemporary age of sail paintings to work out the mystery of ships colours. There must be a few. This is the most complete I have found to date: However I have no idea what the sources would have been: http://www.miniatures.de/rigging-1200-scale-ships.html It seems to be very hard to track down any kind of paint scheme for warships apart from the battle of the nile and trafalgar... when paint schemes were almost uniform.... What I do know is that before Trafalgar captains were allowed to paint ships in whatever colours they saw fit. But that I cannot find out what those colours were !!! It is also apparent that the colour schemes seem to be the most interesting in the early napoleonic era and the 50-100 years before that. That is of course when their were still very ornate ships with I assume very ornate colour schemes. It is also very apparent that not much is known about colour schemes of navies other than the British! But that may just be the reading material I can get my hands on that is in English. http://www.larsonweb.com/Transfer/Miniatures/Sail/NAPSHIPS.htm http://my.erinet.com/~bp/pt_napnv.html http://www.todoababor.es/vida_barcos/perfiles-st.htm http://carlosparrillapenagos.es/pintura-naval/ http://www.todoababor.es/vida_barcos/nav.htm "Chadwick references The British Fleet by Charles N. Robinson ("pp. 248, 249, for fuller details of painting") I located a copy (interlibrary loan) of Robinson's book and here is the complete section: From 1700 to about 1801, blue upper works and canary yellow sides, with wide black strakes at the water-line were usual for the exterior of ships, and blood-red for inboard surfaces. Lord Nelson, for reasons of his own, introduced in his fleet the chequered side, black and yellow -- the exterior of the hull black all over, with a yellow strake along each tier of ports, the exterior of the port lids also being black; and after Trafalgar the "Nelson mode," as it was called, was adopted throughout the service, white being later substituted for yellow. At the same time green (occasionally in a few ships, buff or a pale brown colour was preferred) to be adopted for the inboard colour, as a substitute for red." "The best info. on the painting of British Warships can be found in Frank Howard's "Sailing Ships of War" (Conway 1979) and Robert Gardener's "Frigates of the Napoleonic Wars" (Chatham 2000) backed up of course by the innumerable paintings of ships and actions during the period. As far as I can deduce, the story went like this - 2. Admiralty Orders on Decoration. 2.1 An AO of 1715 said that the sides of ships were "painted of the usual colour yellow, and the ground black, and that both inside and out to be of a plain colour....except such parts of the head, stern and galleries as are usually friezed." Models and paintings show that this order was not obeyed. It became the fashion for the interior to be painted red, and for the bulk of the woodwork on the sides to be either varnished or painted with turpentine so as to give a rich 'shiny-natural wood' appearance resembling light mahogany. The whales - the thicker strengthening timbers which stretched from stem to stern - were painted black; while the upper works (under the gilded decoration) were blue. There is strong evidence that the hold and orlop were whitewashed. 2.2 An AO of 1780, attempted to introduce a more uniform yellow and black arrangement on the external hull. The different availability of paint in the various dockyards plus the fact that captains exercised considerable choice (and could pay for extra embellishments and paint themselves) meant that there was still a wide variety of styles. A Colonel Fawkes, for example, who was present at the Battle of the Nile described in detail the appearance of the various ships in the engagement. Thus Alexander, Audacious, Bellerophon, Defence, Orion and Mutine had "plain yellow sides." Goliath, Leander, Majestic, Theseus, Swiftsure and Vanguard had "yellow sides with wide black strake between the gunports". Culloden had "yellow sides with two narrow stakes." Zealous was "red with a small yellow stripe." Minotaur had "red sides with a black strake between the gunports." Painting the bulk of the hull black, with yellow ochre stripes following the lines of the gundecks but with black gunports to give a chequered effect was, of couse, the style favoured by Nelson. Many of his captains copied this colour scheme after 1800 in order to emulate their commander. I have seen orders for paint actually saying this. 2.3 In 1813, to impose uniformity and cut the cost, an Admiralty Committee under Sir Thomas Byam Martin laid down (amongst other things) that the exterior of ships should in future be painted in a more austere style that also reflected regency taste. The scheme then established was for ships to be painted black with broad white stripes following the lines and width of the gundecks, the gunports themselves being in black to give a chequered effect. They also laid own that the interiors should be painted in yellow (though in fact it was nearer to buff) instead of red, thus accepting a change which had steadily be introduced informally since 1807." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_camouflage "In the Age of Sail, deception was often used by ships, and paint was applied ad hoc by ships' captains for temporary tactical advantage. A ship might be painted to look like another, it might have its cannon ports hidden by painted canvas to look harmless, or it might have additional cannon ports painted on to appear more powerful. For example, in one of his battles during 1778–1782, American privateer Jonathan Haraden hid the guns of his ship the General Pickering, to appear as if it were a slow merchant ship. Haraden allowed his ship to be approached at close range by a much faster British privateer, then he quickly pulled the painted canvas away and delivered a full broadside, capturing the enemy.[6]" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destraex Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Painted 1780 however we must still be mindful of the painter and their knowledge of ships. A lot of painters simply drew from imagination. The moonlight Battle off Cape St Vincent, 16 January 1780 by Francis Holman, painted 1780, shows theSanto Domingo exploding, with Rodney's flagshipSandwich in the foreground. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destraex Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Their must be a lot like this gent who painted portraits of ships for ships captains.... but where are those paintings now?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Holman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destraex Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 The Indiaman 'Royal George' in Three Positions in the Downs, 1779 by Francis Holman (circa 1729-1784) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 At the end of the document we found the colors of the San Juan Nepomuceno. http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/6998-the-san-juan-nepomuceno-74-gun/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destraex Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Joseph Marshall a painter from the 1700s seems to have been commissioned by King George III to paint the lines of a lot of ships. He also seems to have captured some of the colour schemes which I remember from way back was a major problem for the devs to research. arshall, Joseph active 1770-1780, artist, painter, British; http://artuk.org/discover/artworks/search/actor:marshall-joseph-active-17551779/page/2 Check out the amount of red. I wonder whether it is indeed accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DekomoriDesu Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 well, Dev should launch all the paint, but sould be some limit to get it or pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destraex Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 All the paint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delaine Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 All the paint? think he means like all the colors but have it like you pay maybe 50k up to 400k depending on ship to have it recolored in whatever color you wish(id guess hull only) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 T'arrête hemp ropes "T'arrête" ? C'est dommage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 In case you need templates to play with 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Wiener_Von_Snitzel Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) Santi with white stern ? looks really good Edited October 27, 2016 by Sir_Wiener_Von_Snitzel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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