BungeeLemming Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Ahoy captains an shipwrights, I am looking for a vessel of the size of either our current trader snow or trader cutter. It should represent either of those in size and rigging. And it has to be a trade vessel. Build for cargo space. I am looking for a ship to model. Which means I need good plans and if possible also good reference data. Ship models or drawings work good to have a look at details or deck stuff. I know chapman has a lot of vessels but tbh. I am not sold on his smaller trade vessels. proof me otherwise if you like to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTMatt Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 When you mean built for cargo space does that mean no cannons allowed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted May 18, 2016 Author Share Posted May 18, 2016 If that ship has cannons or not is not a critical criteria. Snow does have a few, our cutter doesnt. And I am looking for similar sized vessels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikawa Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 The "La Grace" ? http://www.lagrace.cz/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 What about a "Smack" or a "Lugger"? But I don't have plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted May 18, 2016 Author Share Posted May 18, 2016 I am looking for a concrete ship plan. Something like these two for example: schooner and cutter rigs (schooner:9, cutter:10) snow rig (plan 8) all to be found here But I wanted to know if someone has other ideas. Not "only" chapman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTMatt Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 HMS Halifax for cutter size trader? What is the length of the cutter? This one is 60ft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted May 18, 2016 Author Share Posted May 18, 2016 http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7706-naval-action-ship-sizes-and-dimensions/ the cutter is 23.6m (77,4ft). Ill be looking for plans. If there are good ones I consider the Halifax a viable choice. (reminds me of potbs, privateer's starter ship) edit: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/HMS_Halifax_%281768%29.jpg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) Maybe Gerner´s Friderichshold of 1781? Might be a bit too large, though. 100' p/p Edited April 5, 2019 by Malachi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 La Belle 40-45 ton, French barque longue Length : 54 ft 4 in Plans, monographs, pic, shipmodels... http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/4686-french-barque-longue-la-belle-1680-with-plans-updated-6215/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikawa Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Well there *is* a plan for "la grace" http://www.lagrace.cz/lod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Trader's cutter and Snow are fine for small coastal traders. They should stick around with much smaller holds. I know chapman has a lot of vessels but tbh. I am not sold on his smaller trade vessels. proof me otherwise if you like to What's wrong with the small Chapman merchantmen? They are just typical designs from various places in Europe, probably with the center of gravity put in the right place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted May 18, 2016 Author Share Posted May 18, 2016 @Maturin: There is nothing wrong with Chapman's designs. They are great and plans are in great definition and details. Its just that we recently got a chapman trader and Venus might be in game as well and this ship of him and that.. I hope you understand what I mean More variety in terms of shipwrights @Boiteux Is "la belle" a trade ship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 @Boiteux Is "la belle" a trade ship? Surcouf defined this kind of ship once as a port transport vessel, transporting goods from harbour warehouses to ships before their sailing off. During Lasalle's exploration, La Belle was used for her shallow draught and her (small) cargo space, accompanied by a fluyt (for more cargo) and a warship (for escort). Only 45 ton... She's not a warship (6 small guns). She's a small transport vessel. Btw, Le Gros Ventre is also a transport ship (built by the French Navy), not a trade ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Bermuda and Jamaica Sloops, how could these be missing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 A Sacoléva (or Sacolève)* (62 ft, early XIX-th century) That's a very common (even now) and old type of small coaster used in Greece and Turkey.No gun, but the plan is so interesting... See the high stern. Source : http://mnm.webmuseo.com/ws/musee-national-marine/app/collection/record/8941 Source : http://www.panteek.com/Paris/pages/prs91-342.htm One can read 1835 on the plan, but it must be the date of the drawing (by frenchmen in voyage in Greece), not that of the building.Finding by Wagram : http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/user/14746-wagram/ Thx !!! A French article about a shipmodel : http://www.naftotopos.gr/images/stories/n_Articles/14001/Bouzounis%20Article.pdf____________________________(*Sorry, I don't know the english term.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haratik Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 the La Diligente wouldn't be a bad ship to do Bungee, especially with a lateen sail plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 What about the Ostrich? Originally built as a trading vessel but she was purchased by the Royal Navy. A bit heavier than you are looking for though Ostrich British 16 or 14 gun sloop-of-war (1777) http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=5647 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/84583.html Same with the Grasshopper Grasshopper 14 guns 1776 All her info:http://threedecks.or...ow_ship&id=4528 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/84124.html Lovely Lass 1777 Or maybe something a bit more exotic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Royal Caroline 1749 http://woodmodelbuilding.blogspot.com/p/plans-and-drawings.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haratik Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 That doesn't look small Wind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTMatt Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 It might be obvious but the Lady Washington is a replica of a merchant ship. It doesnt get more detailed than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 What about something a bit different like a Polacca? It seems to fit the description well The plans show an armed merchant vessel, the model is very similar, if not the same hull design, but outfitted for combat support, both are Venetian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 almost forgot the lady 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 That doesn't look small Wind It's not that big:) Look here: http://www.thenrg.org/gus-agustin----nrg-member-ship-model-photos.php Your next option would be Fair American or Stuart Royal Yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 We already have Fair American. She's called Brig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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