Sucessful Talks between Danish-Norway and Sweden

[KanoFu]

so what you are saying is that the guys that were inside the peace talks, could not tell their own clan members, after the meeting, to not gank our traders, in their own clan? 

Need time to inform.

Right.

 

My last information was, that the peace treaty will come into effect on March 1st. So what now?  I can come with fire and sword over your traders today. So stop complaining about yesterday... 

[Meraun]

My last information was, that the peace treaty will come into effect on March 1st. So what now?  I can come with fire and sword over your traders today. So stop complaining about yesterday... 

 

Taht goes for the attacks to retake to Ports.

 

The ceasefire itself is already up. So stop attacking Traders :-)

[Tretton]

I was allso one of the three swedish delagates in the negotioations yesterday. The swedish delegation was ofc torn between the demands of our warmongering members and the unecceptable demands of the danes. I think we did as good as we could possibly do.

 

Sweden got allmost all ports back and in return the danes wanted:

1. A proper peace treaty with absolutely no PvP, to be able to fully turn their attention to the Brits. They didn't get it. Instead they got:
a) "No port attacks" wich, considering the latest steamrolling of swedish ports, isn't actually a big problem for Sweden right now, inmo.
b ) "No mission ganking" and "no trader ganking" to be able to retrieve their contracts from the ports they hand over to us.

c)  We are in practice still at war with the danes and allied to the brits and french.

2. The danes wanted to keep four of our ports, including Philipsburg. They got to keep two, Marigot and Fort Baai.

The negotiations took over two hours and everyone was exhausted when we finally agreed. When we came back we were ofc met with the expected disapointment from many swedish players that thaught we were now lapdogs of the danes. I think we reached a pretty good settlement considering Sweden was down to one port and no resources to craft new ships. Any swedish players dissapointed with the deal we struck, please explain wtf the problem is or stop whining.

Edited February 29, 2016 by Tretton

[Belize]

Taht goes for the attacks to retake to Ports.

 

The ceasefire itself is already up. So stop attacking Traders :-)

 

Why should we feel to bind on YOUR agreement with the Danes? You can't speak for all people playing swedish faction.

[marecek05]

The negotiations took over two hours and everyone was exhausted when we finally agreed. When we came back we were ofc met with the expected disapointment from many swedish players that thaught we were now lapdogs of the danes. I think we reached a pretty good settlement considering Sweden was down to one port and no resources to craft new ships. Any swedish players dissapointed with the deal we struck, please explain wtf the problem is or stop whining.

 

You know the saying. It's a good compromise, if both parties are dissatisfied.

[Reki]

I think a sandbox is not your way to have fun. Always moaning and bitching arround. Everyone tries to backstab or scam you and nobody is doing what you want. Please be careful, or you will get a burnout while playing NA ^^ .

My way to have fun is good fight in OS. So please stop discuss about my personality, since I do not talk about you or any other player. You can hate me silently or in PM. Or i will report you next time for trolling.Thanks.

 

But this part about backstab is sadly true. Sweden fleet will support britain, striking Danemark back or side or whatever. We call it back, because our main war direction isn't east. East is just annoying place where sweden pop ups only when our forces fight west to backstab empty ports. Sweden can do this, whispering mantra like "its sandbox man, its sandbox" every time you do attack in cooperation with britain and france, but it will be backstab.

 

When our leaders propose peace to sweden first time, sweden rejected it. When our forces smash your ports, you accepted it with whole bag of gifts from Danemark. Now you say only major clans will support agreement, our traders allready being ganked by sweden, and all we know that later you will attack our territory cooperated with our opponents. But Its not marriage guys and Swerige its not our beloved girl. All that agreement was done because some players on this side doesn't want to make your game so bad as it could be without peace. So bad danes we are and so good sweden is. Specially rebellion ones.

 

The swedish delegation was ofc torn between the demands of our warmongering members and the unecceptable demands of the danes.

In real world, no one even ask your nation about will you accept demands or not after defeat =\

[Johannes Zoutman]

Why should we feel to bind on YOUR agreement with the Danes? You can't speak for all people playing swedish faction.

Well, you do want to survive as a nation, don't you? You are down to one port and surrounded by a mass of Danish, and Dutch, ships. Your nearest ally France has taken a beating as well and is unable to aid you. The Brits for now are occupied elsewhere while the southern clans have a ceasefire with the Dutch. Plus they have to watch the US and the Pirates not taking advantage if they commit to a campaign against the Danish and the Dutch, and likely also the pirates. 

 

Correct me if i am wrong but this pretty much sums it up. I would just start rebuilding my nation and not get it into bigger trouble.

[mirror452]

Puchu seems to be a bit bitter. Don't forget, this game is still WIP.

Edited February 29, 2016 by mirror452

[Puchu]

Yes it is work in progress, but if you hide the work, you wont get progress.

[Belize]

Well, you do want to survive as a nation, don't you? You are down to one port and surrounded by a mass of Danish, and Dutch, ships. Your nearest ally France has taken a beating as well and is unable to aid you. The Brits for now are occupied elsewhere while the southern clans have a ceasefire with the Dutch. Plus they have to watch the US and the Pirates not taking advantage if they commit to a campaign against the Danish and the Dutch, and likely also the pirates. 

 

Correct me if i am wrong but this pretty much sums it up. I would just start rebuilding my nation and not get it into bigger trouble.

 

Because attacking and boarding traders is part of the PvP...just because HRE and KF made this, you cant expect to be 100% save now from boarding through smaller clans or single players...

 

If People want to be save, they have to organize an escord.

Edited February 29, 2016 by Belize

[Reki]

Because attacking and boarding traders is part of the PvP...just because HRE and KF made this, you cant expect to be 100% save now from boarding through smaller clanes are single players...

 

If People want to be save, they have to organize an escord.

How about this edition:

 

if sweden want to they ports back, they have to organize... peace?

[Johannes Zoutman]

Because attacking and boarding traders is part of the PvP...just because HRE and KF made this, you cant expect to be 100% save now from boarding through smaller clans or single players...

 

If People want to be save, they have to organize an escord.

Probely not and that is too be expected. If guilded players under the treaty start doing it tho there will no doubt be an response and, correct me if I am wrong,  it wont be a very friendly one.

Edited February 29, 2016 by Johannes Zoutman

[verseaux]

Alliances and ports conquered are not the question who matters here. The real question is how do you want to keep the game working together to have fun.

Each nation should have at least ten ports who cannot be taken, with a safe area for the new players to farm, with enough resources to build a correct economy and craft some ships.

To have some good fights, you need to be two. Where is the point to crush down a nation until all the players left?

We are a little community, we all love this game, and we are still alpha testers, so we have to help the devs and show us what we want for the future of this game. They have a lot of work with the land implementation, and can’t do everything, need some time too to release patches and change mechanics.

As a French diplomate present in the meeting last night, I am really thankfull to the Dutchs and the Danes who openned these negociations.

They had two victories. One victory under the nations to show their power and organisation by defeating France and Sweden in two days.

And a most important victory for the French and Swedish community with this proposition to giving back their ports, because now we still can play and have fun. We won’t be stuck because of the mechanics of the game, and they acted like mature gentlemens.

Don’t forget its just a game and we have to play TOGETHER even if we fight for different nations.

Edited February 29, 2016 by verseaux

[Johannes Zoutman]

Alliances and ports conquered are not the question who matters here. The real question is how do you want to keep the game working together to have fun.

Each nation should have at least ten ports who cannot be taken, with a safe area for the new players to farm, with enough resources to build a correct economy and craft some ships.

To have some good fights, you need to be two. Where is the point to crush down a nation until all the players left?

We are a little community, we all love this game, and we are still alpha testers, so we have to help the devs and show us what we want for the future of this game. They have a lot of work with the land implementation, and can’t do everything, need some time too to release patches and change mechanics.

As a French diplomate present in the meeting last night, I am really thankfull to the Dutchs and the Danes who openned these negociations.

They had two victories. One victory under the nations to show their power and organisation by defeating France and Sweden in two days.

And a most important victory for the French and Swedish community with this proposition to giving back their ports, because now we still can play and have fun. We won’t be stuck because of the mechanics of the game, and they acted like mature gentlemens.

Don’t forget its just a game and we have to play TOGETHER even if we fight for different nations.

Thank you for your work. I heard that meeting took ages and was tiring to all its participants.

[KanoFu]

How about this edition:

 

if sweden want to they ports back, they have to organize... peace?

 

 

Your plans sound mighty, but what will YOU do to bring them to reality. 

Are you a danish Diplo, or a forum warrior who has fun to troll arround?

[Puchu]

Versaux is totally right.

 

BUT:

 

This will all happen time and time again. It was predictable 100%. So by making some player aggreements, the game will not become better. It will stall the problem until the devs either fix it, or leave it be, because they dont see the problem as a problem, but as a feature.

 

It's the same thing with the pvp. You can arrange pvp all you want, but that wont make the game better. 

 

Everything arranged will not be fun in the end, because it's self restriction. So in order to have fun in the game we have to all self restrict ourselves to accomplish what the games mechanics fail to do. 

 

Yes, i aggree, keeping a nation alive in a crippled state might help the player base. BUT the devs need to take action aswell. So unless the devs are working on, and thinking hard about fixing the "eradication" issue, these aggreements will mean nothing but a slower death. and if they are not thinking about changing the mechanics, then they obviously want the eradication and there is no reason for us to hold back. 

 

So, while thinking about the fun for the players currently, please also think ahead and figure out a way to convince the devs to change the mechanics, if that is what you want.

[Meraun]

How about this edition:

 

if sweden want to they ports back, they have to organize... peace?

 

Well, i warn you about report, right?

 

i know you want this War really bad but as far as i know your not a part of any major Clan nore have you been part the Talks. We will keep our side calm your Clans will do the same.

 

As your believe we woud betray the agreement your wrong. And all your doing is trolling. As you have been for the past 2 years.

[Reki]

Your plans sound mighty, but what will YOU do to bring them to reality. 

Are you a danish Diplo, or a forum warrior who has fun to troll arround?

I'm not diplo, but our clan have some sort of democracy, i believe. Our members spends money, time and ships in that attack on sweden and frenchies. Lot of them doesn't support agreement, but still we all respect final decision, which aren't made yet. Some of them won't say here anything but they know about discuss. Our leader is one from lord protector of currenlty holding by Danemark enemy ports. If sweden won't support agreement ganking our traders, then they chance to take back this ports without fight will be reduced. I just have vote, like many other clan members. My opinion is - if you make agreement, i don't care how, but you should maintain it on your own territory.

 

i know you want this War really bad but as far as i know your not a part of any major Clan nore have you been part the Talks. We will keep our side calm your Clans will do the same.

 

As your believe we woud betray the agreement your wrong. And all your doing is trolling. As you have been for the past 2 years.

You know nothing, John

[Meraun]

You know nothing, John

 

I do.

 

There are no Men like me. Only me

 

[Llewellyn Jones RN]

Tis a sad day indeed, while I agree with the sentiments of both sides you will never get every member of your nation to agree to this. As a result some players will experiance ganking be that in missions or traders but to be honest you get crap all from ganking a trader he might lose his cargo and more fool him for sailing unescorted. All I can see in the near future is that this will break down again let's hope it's not due to back stabbings as you say but I can't see anything other than even a little PVP being seen by some as back stabbing.

[Reki]

All I can see in the near future is that this will break down again let's hope it's not due to back stabbings as you say but I can't see anything other than even a little PVP being seen by some as back stabbing.

im not sure, did i translate this correct, but no one calls pvp as back stab. In game we have now no delay with flags or port battles. Best sides of it, im sure, minor nations feel  well on they skin, including Danemark. Every time, when brits going to attack us on west, sweden do this on east a bit later to prevent getting resistance or to split danemark forces. They is allies, and all know that. Sometimes frenchies had taken they part also. Im sure that strike could be called back stab. So we deal with it in friday. Main reason why it is done - such swerige action on east. You can't blow up London, when every time you go there someone try to burn your home.

[Tomms123]

Reki listen, as you cant force other to do as you want them to act we cant force other to do what we want them to act.

 

So randoms which disagree with this agreement will still attack danish players, we cant force them to not do as there is no such mechanic in game which force them to stop attacking anybody which is outside of the Swedish faction unless they want to become pirate. There is still players attacking french and british shipping because they dont care about agreements which have been in place since prewipe, we cant force them to stop attacking.

[Lytse Pier]

Alliances and ports conquered are not the question who matters here. The real question is how do you want to keep the game working together to have fun.

Each nation should have at least ten ports who cannot be taken, with a safe area for the new players to farm, with enough resources to build a correct economy and craft some ships.

To have some good fights, you need to be two. Where is the point to crush down a nation until all the players left?

We are a little community, we all love this game, and we are still alpha testers, so we have to help the devs and show us what we want for the future of this game. They have a lot of work with the land implementation, and can’t do everything, need some time too to release patches and change mechanics.

As a French diplomate present in the meeting last night, I am really thankfull to the Dutchs and the Danes who openned these negociations.

They had two victories. One victory under the nations to show their power and organisation by defeating France and Sweden in two days.

And a most important victory for the French and Swedish community with this proposition to giving back their ports, because now we still can play and have fun. We won’t be stuck because of the mechanics of the game, and they acted like mature gentlemens.

Don’t forget its just a game and we have to play TOGETHER even if we fight for different nations.

 

Respect. o7

[AGermanGuy]

Its fun how the danes consider themselves a minor still..

[ScareCrow]

its an easy fix: make cities incapturable and establish clan diplomacy, so that not the entire country is at war but only clans are at war/peace it will solve all issues, because you can have  peace as a solo player but if youre in a clan you have to go to war if you're clan declares war, npc fighting still occurs normally but at a different level.