Malachi

Some may try to keep the line-up reasonable and coherent, though. A Trinc next to traditional galleon (that´s what Hairy Fishnuts wrote, Mirones. The horse ain´t dead enough) would make me want to smash baby kittens onto a wall. And a dutch fluyt of the 17th century isn´t the same as french flute from mid-18th century. Like a frégate de 1er ordre isnt the same as frégate de 12. Both carried 12-pounders and were called 'frégate', but the former is a two decker from the 17th century, while the latter is true frigate like our Belle Poule. Names do not count, designs do. Don´t get me wrong, I prefer ships from the 1670s - 1740s myself (much prettier and I do have a soft spot for vessels that look like floating bordellos), but older ship designs don´t make a lot of sense with what we´ve got ingame currently. That´s what I wanted to say, we need more proper 18-pounders. But those 18-pounders wouldn´t stand a chance against a properly captained Conny or any ship roughly in the same league as her. So the gap would still be there, we´d just have two OP ships, not one. It makes more sense to fill the roster from the bottom up, not top down. EDIT: Hugs and kisses to Cavero for posting that beautiful spanish frigate. Plans for that ship (or class) are in 'Las fragatas de vela de la armada espanola 1650-1853'. if I remember correctly.

Gall...Galleons? We are going to get galleons ingame ?

Trying to balance Conny with another ship is not a good idea, in my opinion. As I said on the previous page, it would make our frigate line-up even more top-heavy. WE HAVE JUST ONE REAL 18-POUNDER FRIGATE INGAME RIGHT NOW. Balance her with giving her the same level requirements/price tag as a small 74, so it´s basically a choice of building/sailing the Bellona or Conny. That´s how it was historically and that`s how I´d like to see it ingame. And am I the only who appreciates the new 'preferred' timeframe of 1730-1790? Picking ships from this timeline would suit our current line-up much better than anything past 1800. If that greek corvette makes it ingame, then I want a 30-pounder frigate with a fully armed spar-deck or that french 36-pounder monster razée Guièrre (both are 'older' than the corvette, by the way, and would just fit in the previous timeline of 1680-1825).

The one you´re feeling most comfortable with I´m using Blender. Ah, I think I understand your problem. You need to convert your NURBS curves (or splines) into an actual, editable mesh (that´s how it would work in Blender, at least). There should be plenty of tutorials on youtube how to do that. And, by the way, no model in this thread had textures on it, what you see is just the surface of the mesh with a material setting. Three pics to show the difference: Model with basic materials Same model with textures applied to materials Editable mesh:

You don´t really need NURBS for a hull, especially if it´s a rather low poly hull for a game. Pixel pushing in combination with a good script or two is more than enough Did this this afternoon because I was interested in the hull shape, the body plan looked a bit odd, but the result is pretty elegant imo. that´s the danish Freia from the player selection thread, btw. And a quick and dirty render

Gonna grab my popcorn and watch how this goes...it does have a certain entertainment value

That´s the af Chapman 47, 20m length p/p 11,9m breadth 26*24-pounders 14*24-pounder carronades And we had a Bellona-class frigate (or better: a frigate very similiar to the Bellona-class Venus) in the last poll and it didn´t make, so...

Hm, we do have the Belle Poule and the 'frigate' has the size of a 12-pounder as well. What we really need is a proper french 18-pounder, like Sané´s Virginie-class: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/82108.html Beautiful, elegant vessels and very common during the end of our timeframe (1790-1815). I personnaly would prefer a frigate of Forfait´s Seine- or Gloire-class, though, but that´s just me. Seine as captured: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/82022.html Model of the Gloire http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66607.html And a genuine british 18-pounder design like the Lively- (HMS/USS Macedonian) or Amphion-class would be nice to have, too. I can live with a Leda for the time being, though

18-pounders on the upper deck in british service. And they didn´t seem to be too enthusiastic about this vessel, it became a prison ship almost immediately after capture and then a floating powder magazine. By the way, which 74s had 24-pounders on the upper deck? Even the huge Téméraire-class ships had a 36/18/8 setup (french pounds, ~ 40/20/9 in british pounds, 32/18/12 in actual british service).

That´s going to be interesting, there weren´t many 'true' 24s around in our timeframe. True meaning that they carried the same long 24-pounders as SoLs did and not some shortened and lighter versions (e.g. british Gover guns and swedish light 24s). Caveat: none of these 24s would be a real 'Connie-killer' (La Forte/L´Egyptienne were of similiar length and also had 30*24 setup, though, and both were renowned for their sailing qualites). Constitution and her sisters were a class of their own and the game should reflect that. Ideally, she should be balanced by being available at same the level and with the same price tag as a 64 or 74 gun SoL, not by another big frigate which would make our line-up even more 'top-heavy'. I mean, we currently have just one real 18-pounder frigate... Anyway, for future reference, here are some 24-pounder frigates in our timeline (with plans available): Pourvoyeuse (french, 1773) Consolante (french, 1775) Bellona-class (swedish, starting 1782) Pomone (french, 1785, designed as a large 18-pounder frigate, upgraded to 24s in british service, base for Endymion) Vengeance (french, 1793) Résistance (french, 1794) Freja (danish, 1793, designed as 18-pounder frigate, Gover 24-pounders in british service 1809-1815) Forte (french, 1794) Endymion (british, 1797) Egyptienne (french, 1799) Rota (danish, 1801) af Chapman (swedish, 1803, not sure if she carried light or long 24-pounders) Bold: designed as 24-pounder frigate and carried long 24-pounders throughout her career (some carried 18-pounders during peacetime, like Endymion and the Bellona-class, though) italic: designed as 24-pounder frigate but permanently downgraded to 18-pounders at some point. I tried to cap at ~1800, the french, spanish and british launched a couple of 24s in the mid-1810s and early 1820s, but these became obsolete rather quickly with the developement of the new 30-pounder frigates with a completely armed spar-deck, starting 1822. And if we allow these, then balance really goes to hell. That being said, I´d love to see the Téméraire-class razée Romulus/Guerièrre - 'an excellent frigate, remarkable for her sea-going qualities' - with 28 french 36-pounders (~ 40 british pounds) ingame at some point. Just for shit and giggles, you know reason for edit: trying to get my accents aigues and graves right...

Another pretty SoL: danish 74-gun ship Danmark (duh...) by E.W. Stibolt, 1794 - 1815, 28*36-pounders, 28*18-pounders, 18*8-pounders. Now that´s a nice stern

Not a huge fan of SoLs, but this is one of the three I´d love to see ingame (the other two are french, so...) Danish Norske Løve, 70 guns, 1735 - 1764, by Benstrup. Highly successfull design that set the standart for danish ships of the line for decades.

Danish Frigate Freja (1793 - 1816). Design by E.W. Stibolt. Armarment in british service: 26*18-pounders, 14*32-pound carronades, 2 9-pounders later: 26*24-pounders (Gover, short-barreled), 12*24-pound carronades, 2 9-pounders

Dutch 6th Rate Minerva 1787 - 1802. HMS Braak in british service. 22*32-pounder carronades (couldn´t find info about her armarment in dutch service, probably 22*6-pounders) http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83423.html

Now something special, the swedish Hvita Örn (Hvide Orn in danish service). Most probably the very first 'true' frigate and way ahead of her time. Launched 1711, armed with 22*8-pounder, later 22*12-pounders. Flagship of Peter Wessel and reputed to be the fastest sailor in the Baltic Sea. Broken up 1751.

I know, french ships won´t be selected, but this one looks too...interesting not to be posted: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections.html#!csearch;authority=vessel-341088;browseBy=vessel;vesselFacetLetter=P French privateer Psyche (1799 - 1816), 24*12-pounders, 10*18-pounder carronades, 4 6-pounders Can´t find much info about it, but by the looks of it, it could have designed by Pierre Degay. Same experimental design as La Vengeance and La Résistance (HMS Fisgard), but it has more conventional lines (minus the gigantic false keel) and lacks the screwdrives to adjust the rake of the masts at sea.

Danish II Rota (1801 - 1816), like the Christian VII a Hohlenberg design, easily recognisable by her very narrow stern. 26*24-pounders, 6*24-pounder carronades, 8*8-pounders

Danish I Lovely concept (not built, as far as I know) for a 24*8-pounder frigate by E.W. Stibolt, dated 1794:

I aim to please... Christian VII (Christian den Syvende), 80 guns, 1803 - 1838, design by F. Hohlenberg, excellent sailor and base for the British Black Prince-class: High res version available.

Unknown swedish merchant by F. af Chapman ca. 1790 Danish East-Indiaman Prindsesse Lovise (1731 - 1771, converted SoL) Swedish East-Indiaman Adolph Friedrich (1763 - 1786, converted SoL) Higher res versions available.

Should be like that on the Renommée, too. You´d have to lay the gun barrels flat on the upper deck to use them as stern chasers

I meant that our danish members here knew more about Hohlenberg´s designs and could post a pic or two Anyway, found one myself: Stern and head of the 90-gun ship Christian VII of 1803. Definitely in the 'very different from what people are used to seeing' category

Not a fan of the round sterns of the post-napoleonic period, to be honest. But if you want some really interesting transom/stern designs, look up Frantz Hohlenberg. Can´t find a suitable pic at the moment, but I´m sure our fellow danish captains will us help out

Quite an interesting ship, that´s for sure, and really large for a ship carrying 12-pounders. But her good sailing qualities probably have a lot to do with her being built of fir. A pity they didn´t build an oak version back in the days so we could compare her to more traditionally built ships. The type of wood used for the hull had an huge negative impact on performance as the Brits found out when they tried to build a copy of the french frigate Le Président out of teak That being said, I´d much prefer to see a Lively- or Amphion class 18-pounder frigate ingame.

Chapman´s Architectura Navalis has another one, Le Chameau ('Camel') of 1744. Like the Renommée, she was designed under supervision of Blaise Ollivier and famous for her sailing qualities. And she was huge, 150 feet lbp with a length to breadth ratio of 4.7. Chapman most probably copied the design proposal, in reality she carried 24 8-pounders and 12 6-pounders. The right side of this drawing could show her stern decorations: