admin Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 16 minutes ago, Wraith said: @admin No outlaw battles? Why on earth would you remove them?! Not one person complained about them in a capacity that didn't also apply to foreign nation alts, and it was the only mechanic that set pirates apart? We can't patch human nature. thus = no outlaw battles. Lets not waste time on this anymore. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigs Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Gregory Rainsborough said: We don't use alts.... Why bother? Or are you referring to the fact that we kill people on both Global and EU? You have not played any objectives as a pirate but have created a clan of pirates alts called Snow on Global just to exploit the reinforcement zones and disrupt the pirate nation. You were a pirate screening for nationals and tagging pirates going to port battles. Plain and simple, you have set a trend for others to come exploit the outlaw mechanic hence cascaded into this. Like I said go back to your national main and play the game as intended. Don't play coy. Be a man, own up to it, maybe learn something and move on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Rainsborough Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rigs said: You have not played any objectives as a pirate but have created a clan of pirates alts called Snow on Global just to exploit the reinforcement zones and disrupt the pirate nation. You were a pirate screening for nationals and tagging pirates going to port battles. Plain and simple, you have set a trend for others to come exploit the outlaw mechanic hence cascaded into this. Like I said go back to your national main and play the game as intended. Don't play coy. Be a man, own up to it, maybe learn something and move on. Ahhh you're one of those. Pirates aren't a "nation" and shouldn't be treated as one. It's bad for the game having pirates as they are especially how it is on Global. Well it's certainly not me screening for port battles. I haven't been on in over a week and now that mechanic is gone it's unlikely I'll return except when things are really slow on EU. It's not an exploit as far as I know. The outlaw battle was supposed to allow pirates to attack each other because they're well, pirates. That seems, at least to me to be the game's intention. I make no secret to being a pirate and going onto Global just to kill pirates. It's always been an outlaw battle though not joining missions as some pirates have done on EU. Edited November 1, 2017 by Gregory Rainsborough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Gud Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 56 minutes ago, Wraith said: @admin No outlaw battles? Why on earth would you remove them?! Not one person complained about them in a capacity that didn't also apply to foreign nation alts, and it was the only mechanic that set pirates apart? Maybe from players possibly farming PvP marks. The only other reason would be a certain player using his alt to attack pirates in reinforcement zone so they could join in without the pirate having reinforcements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigs Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, Gregory Rainsborough said: Ahhh you're one of those. Pirates aren't a "nation" and shouldn't be treated as one. It's bad for the game having pirates as they are especially how it is on Global. Well it's certainly not me screening for port battles. I haven't been on in over a week and now that mechanic is gone it's unlikely I'll return except when things are really slow on EU. It's not an exploit as far as I know. The outlaw battle was supposed to allow pirates to attack each other because they're well, pirates. That seems, at least to me to be the game's intention. I make no secret to being a pirate and going onto Global just to kill pirates. It's always been an outlaw battle though not joining missions as some pirates have done on EU. The outlaw mechanic was there to settle some differences and a good way to teach new guys how to fight not to disrupt the nation. The outlaw mechanic was put there not to just gank new players in the reinforcement zones or going into port battles. Last time you and your buddies tried that against some that were not new to the game and got stomped so you quit. What do you think happened to the new players that you aggravated all along? Based on your own attitude your whole purpose was just to make them quit or switch nation. What's done it's done, let's move on, I wish your best in your future endeavours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Gud Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 41 minutes ago, admin said: We can't patch human nature. thus = no outlaw battles. Lets not waste time on this anymore. You can punish players for clearly abusing game mechanics for once. There are multiple Tribunal cases none of which enforce abusing alts or two nations attacking each other that are working together to escape the third nation then calling green on green. You can fix human nature by telling players to stop. Pirates love outlaw battles and because of someone in another nation you removed it from us 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troody Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 strange....last time i saw ppl abusing the system it was made by pirates to prevent getting killed by another nation... i understand both views but dont make it look like, that everyone else than pirates are responsible for the deactivation of outlawbattles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodo Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Wraith said: @admin No outlaw battles? Why on earth would you remove them?! Not one person complained about them in a capacity that didn't also apply to foreign nation alts, and it was the only mechanic that set pirates apart? Actually people did complain... several did in fact. But the issue wasnt with the battles themselves but the people abusing them. And as someone else said. If Tribunals were actually enforced and punishment was done instead of just tapping them on the hind end and saying "bad boy" then letting them continue to abuse it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigs Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, Lord Gud said: You can punish players for clearly abusing game mechanics for once. There are multiple Tribunal cases none of which enforce abusing alts or two nations attacking each other that are working together to escape the third nation then calling green on green. You can fix human nature by telling players to stop. Pirates love outlaw battles and because of someone in another nation you removed it from us You know the saying, that's why we can't have good things. We are all creatures of habits and the only way to really stop someone giving into their nature is to ban them, which means less players.The least time consuming and detract from more important projects without affecting negatively the player base furthermore is to error proof things as much as you can do. Just my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigs Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, troody said: strange....last time i saw ppl abusing the system it was made by pirates to prevent getting killed by another nation... i understand both views but dont make it look like, that everyone else than pirates are responsible for the deactivation of outlawbattles... How? Actually it was the opposite, pirate tagged another pirate just for the nationals to join in and kill the pirate. It was a case of a pirate alt. That in reinforcement zones too. Edited November 1, 2017 by Rigs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christendom Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) Very disappointing @admin, one of the very few things that made pirates unique is now gone. Back to being just a regular national. Should give us another set of forged papers. I know I went pirate just so we could do inter - nation clan wars. How about punishing the abusers or exploiters instead of punishing the rest of us that use outlaw battles correctly. You have several unaddressed tribunal posts. What about those? All you had to to do was make it so no outlaw battles could occur in the reinforcements zones. Instead you just took the lazy route. You have a lot of very unhappy pirates right now. Edited November 1, 2017 by Christendom 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Washington Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 hour ago, admin said: We can't patch human nature. thus = no outlaw battles. Lets not waste time on this anymore. I agree focus on PvE content. More loot variety, paints, chests, custom clan flags etc.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodo Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Christendom said: Very disappointing @admin, one of the very few things that made pirates unique is now gone. Back to being just a regular national. Should give us another set of forged papers. I know I went pirate just so we could do inter - nation clan wars. How about punishing the abusers or exploiters instead of punishing the rest of us that use outlaw battles correctly. You have several unaddressed tribunal posts. What about those? All you had to to do was make it so no outlaw battles could occur in the reinforcements zones. Instead you just took the lazy route. You have a lot of very unhappy pirates right now. Where to next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigs Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) Just saying, as suggested before, there still is the possibility to add an outlaw pirate faction with it's unique features for the more seasoned players Edited November 1, 2017 by Rigs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Washington Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Christendom said: Very disappointing @admin, one of the very few things that made pirates unique is now gone. Back to being just a regular national. Should give us another set of forged papers. I know I went pirate just so we could do inter - nation clan wars. How about punishing the abusers or exploiters instead of punishing the rest of us that use outlaw battles correctly. You have several unaddressed tribunal posts. What about those? All you had to to do was make it so no outlaw battles could occur in the reinforcements zones. Instead you just took the lazy route. You have a lot of very unhappy pirates right now. They can add pirate refits that Nationals can't have and also raids. These 2 will make Pirates unique. Outlaws were abused too much , thanks to scared to go pvp people, so alt gank instead. There is time for everything. Edited November 1, 2017 by George Washington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Washington Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Hodo said: Where to next? Spain EU. Edited November 1, 2017 by George Washington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christendom Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just now, George Washington said: They can add pirate refits that Nationals can't have and also raids. These 2 will make Pirates unique. Outlaws were abused too much , thanks to scared to go pvp people. Special refits and ships can be had via alts. We've been asking for raids for over a year......they ain't coming. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Washington Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Christendom said: Special refits and ships can be had via alts. We've been asking for raids for over a year......they ain't coming. Can only be used on _PIRATE_ nation. In other words only pirates can sail such ships. Simple restriction can make Pirate Nation epic. or there could be a penalty to stats when used on National alt. Edited November 1, 2017 by George Washington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodo Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just now, Christendom said: Special refits and ships can be had via alts. We've been asking for raids for over a year......they ain't coming. Hell I have been asking for real pirate mechanics for almost 2 years... I gave up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christendom Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Hodo said: Hell I have been asking for real pirate mechanics for almost 2 years... I gave up. Most have. Outlaw battles weren't the best, but at least it was something that made being pirate riskier than being a national. But it seems the devs take the lazy route and just cut off a foot to fix a broken toe. Much like in the duper scandal a few months back....instead of dealing with the culprits they just wiped everything and said move along. It's lazy. Why even bother putting up tribunals. Very disappointing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigs Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, George Washington said: Can only be used on _PIRATE_ nation. In other words only pirates can sail such ships. Simple restriction can make Pirate Nation epic. I agree. Add the raids as well and we good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Washington Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Hodo said: Hell I have been asking for real pirate mechanics for almost 2 years... I gave up. Devs need to separate Nationals from Pirates. Good start would be Pirate refits that can only be used as Pirate. Natianals can cap and exchange them for cash, but can't sail. Same can be for some specific National Navy ships that can't be sailed by Pirates. I am not talking about current 1st rates, I am talking about Naval Edition/Pirate Refits ships with better stats and only available to Nationals or Pirates. For example, I take newly built 1st rate + 25 pvp marks = Naval Edition 1st rate (only Nationals can sail these ships). or I take Pirate built 1st rate + 25 pvp marks = Pirate refit 1st rate. (+2% for all stats etc..) (only Pirates can sail these ships). Edited November 1, 2017 by George Washington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernon Merrill Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Christendom said: Most have. Outlaw battles weren't the best, but at least it was something that made being pirate riskier than being a national. But it seems the devs take the lazy route and just cut off a foot to fix a broken toe. Much like in the duper scandal a few months back....instead of dealing with the culprits they just wiped everything and said move along. It's lazy. Why even bother putting up tribunals. Very disappointing. If you want "risky", then go full hardcore and join the Prussians or Poles orRussians... No "safe zones" , no Capitals and nowhere to hide.... Its fun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troody Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 28 minutes ago, Rigs said: How? Actually it was the opposite, pirate tagged another pirate just for the nationals to join in and kill the pirate. It was a case of a pirate alt. That in reinforcement zones too. how? lol 3 ppl from the same pirate clan, chased by alot of swedes, tagged themselves to kill each other before swedes could cap or kill (including rewards) them - dunno what u would call it, i call it a abuse of the outlaw system 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Washington Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, troody said: how? lol 3 ppl from the same pirate clan, chased by alot of swedes, tagged themselves to kill each other before swedes could cap or kill (including rewards) them - dunno what u would call it, i call it a abuse of the outlaw system Well now we don't have outlaw and Swedes will have caped ships and marks soon. Edited November 1, 2017 by George Washington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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