Gooneybird Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) Edited August 4, 2016 by Gooneybird 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooneybird Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) Lets all have peace and play PvE ! Nothing changed - it's only a formal announcement of what has been here for 2 years. Edited August 4, 2016 by Gooneybird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horail Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Are the french and danes the only "nations" that you're not allied with ? We don't want to let you get borred of the game ;-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Silberbart Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) I am not an english men, but i think they are.. At war with - french - danes - spanish - pirates and have friendly relationships to - dutch - swedish and allied with - united states i dont think they will get bored^^ btt: Wish u will have a trustful alliance between the english and the americans Edited August 4, 2016 by Sven Silberbart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooneybird Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) Are the french and danes the only "nations" that you're not allied with ? We don't want to let you get borred of the game ;-) We are not allied with the French, Swedes, Danes, Pirates and Spaniards. 5 out of 8 ... as mentioned above; nothing changed - no need for crocodile tears Edited August 4, 2016 by Gooneybird 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrdael Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Finally a thing even i understand. "Do not pew Britain." Carrying out order. o7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooneybird Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) But you just had a treaty w. Dutch and Spain ?! A: the limited ceasefire is not accepted up to this point B: the limited ceasefires is a limited ceasefire, not an alliance C: the limited ceasefire is for a limited time until the diplo patch and to help our Spanish friends back up their feet. Edited August 4, 2016 by Gooneybird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Varone Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 I fully support this alliance, and our anglo-saxon brothers across the pond! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alvar Fañez de Minaya Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) My proposal is to be all allies. Take guitars and sing in front the fire as brothers . Edited August 4, 2016 by Alvar Fanez de Minaya 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloothommel Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 We are not allied with the French, Swedes, Danes, Pirates and Spaniards. 5 out of 3 ... as mentioned above; nothing changed - no need for crocodile tears US/brits/Dutch is 60-75% of the playerbase? 'Nuff said. Let's call it the alliance of the bullies? Play it our way or get rekt? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooneybird Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) US/brits/Dutch is 60-75% of the playerbase? 'Nuff said. Let's call it the alliance of the bullies? Play it our way or get rekt? Since it already is explained; nothing practically changed over the last two years so not going there. As for alliances in general there is really no point... Thats why we don't complain about the coordinated actions by our opponents here in the forum. Instead we rather play a game instead of flooding this forum with the same sour attitude we see in here on a daily basis. But the other thing, the numbers you write in here are interesting; Quick and sincere question; where do you get these numbers from? Do you have actual statistics? Can/will de dev's actually confirm your statistics suggestion? And wouldn't it be fair when, after we actually have the solid numbers over active/non active players, to consider topographic advantages/disadvantages? Only when these are taken into consideration it would be fair to make conclusions, wouldn't it? Edited August 4, 2016 by Gooneybird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senhor Lenhador Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 The temporary treaty is currently not signed while the Dutch council figures itself out a bit. I wouldn't mind if Gooneybird confirms whether this overrides the pre-treaty-negotiations declaration by the British regarding Cuba. Apart from that, I'm just going to leave this rather hastily done map of what Spain thinks the current political situation is (which could accurately be summarized with one rude word ) and wonder aloud: Where is your fun going to come from? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajffighter86 Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) Well I think the british benefited the most from the summer steam sale. They likely needed the help when it was 4 on 1 before that (everyone forgets that in early June, Spain, Pirates, Danish, and French completely pushed the British out of Haiti, boo hoo bullies and all). It took the dutch forever to get a foothold in a deep water port near Haiti to even get in on the action, and furthermore it took a few weeks later before more than 1 or 2 dutch clans showed up to help. The US was largely cut off from nations friendly to it and had to fight through the Bahamas to even be a player in the world war. Astonishingly the Swedes have one of the smallest, if not the smallest faction on the server, and they could spit and hit Mortimer town right now. People often talk about the ebb and flow of NA open world. I do believe they may be right, because things do change. Everyone learns humility at some point, how else would you ever know how it felt to be the other guy? Edited August 4, 2016 by ajffighter86 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooneybird Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) The temporary treaty is currently not signed while the Dutch council figures itself out a bit. I wouldn't mind if Gooneybird confirms whether this overrides the pre-treaty-negotiations declaration by the British regarding Cuba. Apart from that, I'm just going to leave this rather hastily done map of what Spain thinks the current political situation is (which could accurately be summarized with one rude word ) and wonder aloud: Where is your fun going to come from? We went from sails to hull to give you your well deserved vacation Sir. This enabled your nation the relaxation you needed apprarently, to pick up the fight in coordination with the Pirats and the French (pretty much like you did not long ago). As you see there is no rudeness required to make a point. As for the proposed limited ceasefire; we have been saying to consider it to be an extension of our already implemented unilateral limited ceasefire which is in place since almost 2 weeks now. This limited ceasefire (only limited Portbattles - PvP is not included) is in place because you complained about being worried to be steamrolled by the Anglo Dutch efforts and complained your playerbase would dissapear if the GB/VP offensive action would continue. When you start to attack our American friends you make it clear that your playerbase is up strength again. Therefor we don't see a good reason to not assist our friends within the bounds of the limited ceasefire proposal. The fact your nation refuses to include the Americans in the limted caesefire also raises a question mark about the integrity of your motive and real intentions. Among other reasons this is the very reason for our public support to the US. I hope this is clear enough. Edited August 4, 2016 by Gooneybird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeltiberoCaesar Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) I would be really glad if you pushed us to just la habbana. That would give us the reason about what we have said so many times + you would show our merchants and crafters how save they were with us fighting and how risky is to annoy us. 2 birds 1 stone. Apart from that... this seems just role playing, this alliance have been a fact from the very first day I played the game... so... who cares? What really concern me is see how the bloqs are and will be the same after the diplomacy patch... It would be much more fun to have a dynamic diplomacy, alliances with your enemies, wars with your former allies... IMO Edited August 4, 2016 by CeltiberoCaesar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potemkin Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) This whole treaty business is starting to reek of nations jockeying for moral high ground in the inevitable event that spain pops any port battles at all against any of her neighbors... Honestly, two months of complete inactivity is going to hurt player base more than when you eventually resume the offensive under the old "Spain broke our agreement" pretense which we all know is going to happen one way or another. You say this treaty is great for spain but its seems to alot of people to be an attempt to control who and where we attack. Why not just cut the bullshit and get on with it? Edited August 4, 2016 by Potemkin 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloothommel Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 But the other thing, the numbers you write in here are interesting; Quick and sincere question; where do you get these numbers from? Do you have actual statistics? Can/will de dev's actually confirm your statistics suggestion? And wouldn't it be fair when, after we actually have the solid numbers over active/non active players, to consider topographic advantages/disadvantages? Only when these are taken into consideration it would be fair to make conclusions, wouldn't it? It is an educated guesstimate based on nation difficulty ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llewellyn Jones RN Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Ah we US/brits/Dutch is 60-75% of the playerbase? 'Nuff said. Let's call it the alliance of the bullies? Play it our way or get rekt? ah we may have 60-75% of the player base but we also have 80% of the care bears! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooneybird Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 It is an educated guesstimate based on nation difficulty ratings. Thats the very problem in here... 'educated guesses', regardless of the emphasis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeltiberoCaesar Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 About player numbers, the devs said: Germany is our game second largest buyer. German players purchase more copies than UK, France, Spain, Portugal, Holland combined. Where do they play? Looking to the recruitment forum: GB, Dutch and Sweden The world leaders in this market are: USA, Brazil, Germany, Russia and China. So... that doesnt suprised me hahahahaha But I'm still waiting (GL me) actual numbers about how many active players are in each nation... Pd: sorry mod, offtopic, consider moving this to the devs before deleting the post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooneybird Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) This whole treaty business is starting to reek of nations jockeying for moral high ground in the inevitable event that spain pops any port battles at all against any of her neighbors... Honestly, two months of complete inactivity is going to hurt player base more than when you eventually resume the offensive under the old "Spain broke our agreement" pretense which we all know is going to happen one way or another. You say this treaty is great for spain but its seems to alot of people to be an attempt to control who and where we attack. Why not just cut the bullshit and get on with it? I almost fully agree with you (except for the pretense nonsense). And to make it clear (if it wasn't already); The Brits didn't asked for this limited ceasefire, we believed being a Gentlemen after all the tears in this forum, was enough. But on the other hand we must be honest about it; we, perhaps alike the Spaniards, became tired and bored. It happend also to the Dutch, French, Danes and Swedes wich resulted in their Antilles treaty. Edited August 4, 2016 by Gooneybird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajffighter86 Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 It is an educated guesstimate based on nation difficulty ratings. maybe, although if that were the case then the USA would have the most players in PVP1, and I do not see that being the case. Probably we are in competition with Sweden for the smallest faction on the server. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenakha Kan Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) Just sayin' Edited August 4, 2016 by Tenakha Kan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne Wildcat Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Come on, US. When is the Revolutionary War going to come? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senhor Lenhador Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) Sigh, if we could take off our roleplay pantaloons for a second. Of course Spain complained and the British listened not because they're gentlemen but because having watched the player populations of France and Denmark plummet they didn't want that to happen to Spain. Why? because winning isn't coloured dots, it's fun, engaging battles with a competent enemy and at the moment the British have boxed in their RvR by being allied to over 3/4s of the map. Now the previous British declaration about Cuba is good for Spain sure (and much appreciated) but it's just as good for the British and the game overall, as would be the unsigned treaty. Now I don't want to sit here and whine about being ganged up on being treated unfairly what I want is: Firstly, to clarify whether the Brits (and possibly the Dutch) will try and conquer Cuba or whether they would simply be screening/PVEing to help the USA (I think it's the latter) Secondly, to point out that as long as there's a grand alliance and as long as France, the Pirates and Denmark hibernate Spain is needed, yes NEEDED in RvR; unless you want to spend your time on bottle fetch quests or fighting empty PBs. Let's, if only for a moment, remember we're not actually the Duke of such and such representing the imperial Crown of whatever. We're a bunch of fellas on our computers playing a game which requires a whole lot of other fellas playing to be fun. Speaking of fun, it might be for the best if the British come up and help the yanks because if Cayo de Sal is anything to go by we won't see an enemy ship otherwise..... Edited August 4, 2016 by Senhor Lenhador 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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