ANNOUNCEMENTS by The Dutch West Indies Consortium

[kingslynn93]

 

ANNOUNCEMENTS

by

The Dutch West Indies Consortium,

26th of June 1716, Willemstad, Curaçao.

 

The Dutch Companies and Fleets, represented by the High Council of the Dutch West Indies Consortium within the Republiek der Zeven Vereenigde Provinciën, to all who will see or is expected to read this, extend their greetings. In the importance of the welfare of our lands, that exists in principle because of shipping and trading, which since ancient times from the same lands are fortunate and blessed to be connected to other countries and kingdoms,

 

IT IS DECIDED, (SOO IST),

 

that the current defensive pact between the proud Kingdom of Sverige and the Republiek der Zeven Vereenigde Provinciën has proven to be a very strong and trustful relationship. It has pleased His Royal Majesty, King Gustav Adolphus, by the Grace of God, of the Swedes, the Goths, and the Vends, Grand Prince of Finland, Duke of Pomerania, Prince of Rügen and Lord of Wismar, Heir to Norway and Duke of Schleswig-Holstein, Stormarn and Dithmarschen, Count of Oldenburg and Delmenhorst, etc. etc, to affirm our mutual reliable cooperations and trustful correspondence by obligatory law. The Staaten Generaal of the Vereenigde Provinciën in presence of the Prince of Orange and with the full and unanimous support of all the Dutch Companies and Fleets within the Dutch West Indies Consortium, represented by their High Council,  have expressed the valuable and blessed partnership by affirming a full alliance between the Sverige Crown and the Vereenigde Provinciën in extending and exploiting the Caribbean territories and efforts, achieving together a dawning age of common prosperity, peace and profit.

 

IT IS DECIDED, (SOO IST),

 

that after a long time of peace, mutual respect and common interests between both nations, the Staaten Generaal of the Vereenigde Provinciën in presence of the Prince of Orange, with full and unanimous support of the Companies and Fleets of the Dutch West Indies Consortium, represented by their High Council and His Majesty George the Third, by the Grace of God, King of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, and so forth, with full support of the British Colonial Council in Port Royal, agreed on an anti-piracy alliance, to secure Caribbean trading routes and to end the so called “age of piracy”. Whenever it’s possible, suspects of piracy and their related suspected supporters can be hunted and punished without warning or repercussions. Both nations agree on mutual help in times of high danger and threat to their Caribbean colonies.

 

IT IS DECIDED, (SOO IST),

 

that the Dutch West Indies Consortium and its amalgamated Companies and Fleets, by action of their unanimous High Council, will hand a formal Letter of Complaint and Abhorrence to the French Council in response to the personal and public discrediting of our diplomatic corps. Even though opinions between the Dutch and French council have not been aligned the past months on the subjects of peace, anti-piracy and the interest of stability in the eastern parts of the Caribbean, it makes no sense to us that our diplomats are blamed for the Consortium’s decisions or messages. We demand the same respect for our messengers and diplomats, that our Council asks of our own to give, in spite how inconvenient or difficult it might sometimes be. We know many of the French captains as chivalrous and upright in anyway and would like to continue to improve our relationship on that basis. Without significant change in attitude and mutual respect, the High Council of the Dutch West Indies Consortium is forced to consider a long term uneasy relationship with isolation and limited diplomatic contact with representatives of the French Corps Diplomatique, their council and their respectable and gentle captains, until further notice.

 

IT IS DECIDED, (SOO IST),

 

that the alliance between the Kingdom of France, represented by the French Council of the Colonial Territories in the West Indies and the Republiek der Zeven Vereenigde Provinciën has been cancelled by the French, tête-à-tête and with ordinance. The High Council of the Dutch West Indies Consortium, empowered by the Staaten Generaal of the Vereenigde Provinciën to make it publicly known, formally respect the French decision and the acknowledgement by the Staaten Generaal, without presence of the Prince of Orange.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[For any confused: We are not at war with France, or Denmark-Norway but our alliances have been officially cancelled]

Edited June 28, 2016 by kingslynn93

[Gooneybird]

Confirmed, approved by the UK council

Edited June 27, 2016 by Gooneybird

[Hagelbocken]

Approved by the Swedish Council

[Anolytic]

France should be happy no longer to be allied with an untrustworthy nation that declares war on their allies. Denmark-Norway certainly is.

Edited June 26, 2016 by Anolytic

[praefect]

Well, we declared war on Danes, who were no Ally anymore to honor our defensive pact with the swedes. Don´t be whiny here, u wanted the war, u got ur war. And btw, in our 1st few talks u didn´t even know that dutch and danes were allied, so not much u lost in the end anyway it seems.

 

About the french nation, well they never cared about to be an ally of us. Stuff was said like "this alliance was enforced and never liked", "we were never close allies", "we don´t see a sense in being allied with if u dutch if u don´t attack the brits", "By helping the swedes, u broke the alliance with us", ....

 

So ya, they can be happy now that we actually have the balls to state the legal status in public. French diplomacy is shaky, once they used the alliance treaty for their favor, next time they ignored, even denied it for their favor. In the end french forces attacked our defensive ally without information, without approval. By that action, they showed that they don´t care about what the dutch nation will do/think about and more or less forced us to stay with them. No classy act at all.

 

So all the best to the french, we hope they enjoy their danish allies, who consider them as weak and unworthy. Dutch Nations stays with their allies especially when they have a hard time and are weak.

Edited June 27, 2016 by praefect

[Anolytic]

Well, we declared war on Danes, who were no Ally anymore to honor our defensive pact with the swedes. Don´t be whiny here, u wanted the war, u got ur war.

Denmark-Norway only responded to being attacked and our territory occupied.

Just a couple of days before you declared war on us, Dutch and Danes confirmed that we were still allied. Which is why we were surprised when you declared war on us.

[CeltiberoCaesar]

You guys love to use complicated words, confusing terms and long texts to express simple ideas... Hahahaha

Cant you just say it in a simplier way?

Edited June 26, 2016 by CeltiberoCaesar

[TommyShelby]

You guys love to use complicated words, confusing terms and long texts to express simple ideas... Hahahaha

Cant you just say it in a simplier way?

 

Yeah, people should start adding a "tl;dr" to these announcements. My head hurts when trying to understand it

 

Edit; Don't get me wrong, i think the role play stuff is cool!

[praefect]

 

Just a couple of days before you declared war on us, Dutch and Danes confirmed that we were still allied. Which is why we were surprised when you declared war on us.

Well, we explained that to you. Our council was very disappointed about the war goals the danish diplomats stated towards us:

1. reducing swedes to 1-port-nation

2. to force the swedish nation to change their whole leadership

3. to enforce that the swedish nation is relocated to another place of the map.

 

Also danish side refused to have any negotiations with the swedes to prevent a war with them. Together will all the danish blackmailing and aggression, the dutch council saw no point where dutch and danish are still allied in fact. The danish nation might be disappointed by that, but srsly, danish diplomacy and clans where simply too hostile towards us, so I don´t understand the frustration/blaming here.

 

Let´s see what will happen in future, we still feel very friendly towards a couple of danish clans, cos of the support and good relationship from the past. But for the moment the cards are on the table and I think the dutch nation made some good decisions in terms of server balance and health. So all the best to our opponents for the next weeks and hopefully spaniards, french and danish nation won´t force too many british players into inactivity.

[Batman]

It's not that there many british players left. Hop around the Clan's TS Server and see if you find some players online. Many of us left weeks ago. Kind of Navalexit

[Guest]

Scraps and slivers are a feast to mangy mutts. Will be funny to see the hollow gloating that will undoubtedly follow suit.

[Anolytic]

Well, we explained that to you. Our council was very disappointed about the war goals the danish diplomats stated towards us:

1. reducing swedes to 1-port-nation

2. to force the swedish nation to change their whole leadership

3. to enforce that the swedish nation is relocated to another place of the map.

Naturally Denmark-Norway responds aggressively when betrayed and attacked. And as promised we did take all of Sweden's ports several times.

 

 

Also danish side refused to have any negotiations with the swedes to prevent a war with them. Together will all the danish blackmailing and aggression, the dutch council saw no point where dutch and danish are still allied in fact. The danish nation might be disappointed by that, but srsly, danish diplomacy and clans where simply too hostile towards us, so I don´t understand the frustration/blaming here.

Denmark-Norway overlooked several aggressive actions by Sweden, trying to avoid war, but after our ports Marigot and Fort Baai was assaulted war was inevitable. And there was no blackmail, only expressed disappointment that our allies the Dutch would work with our enemies against us to steal our ports, to then block and harm our community, by calling upon the alliance. Considering your actions towards the Danish community while you were our allies, your self-righteous claim to be the defenders of communities and "server balance" is laughable. And never mind our hostility, at least Denmark-Norway keeps to our treaties.

[praefect]

Common Anolytic, don´t try to play such stupid kind of games with us. If u want to talk about danish honor, here we go:

 

1. Danish demanded Tiburon, Les Cayes, St Louis the Dutch took from the pirates, cos danish would consider these ports as rightfully danish ports. If we wouldn´t agree to give them to the danish, danish nation would craft flags against us. -> blackmailing ag. an ally -> break of the intention of an alliance

 

2. Danish diplomats stated that if we would go further than Tiburon to fight pirates, danish would declare war on us. -> blackmailing ag. an ally -> break of the intention of an alliance

 

3. Danish declared a PVP zone against us, which would go from St. Louis to Jeremie, without our approval or knowledge. -> danish broke the alliance and were hostile towards us

 

4. Danish clans intercepted SOLs of our RvR fleets over weeks. -> Danish broke the alliance

 

This all was long before the "Roadtown-Incident". At that time, we were rly close before a dutch-danish war and informed u, that the dutch council considers the danish nation as an hostile nation from now on. In order to safe the alliance, relationship would need to be increased. Both sides agreed on that, not too much happened except of an minor announcement of the danish, that we would have diplo talks.

Also we never helped anyone "to steal" danish ports. RoadTown was a pirate town/taken by pirates, we fought and still fight the pirates and so we helped the swedes to take a pirate port by sending screening help and respecting the defensive pact with them (pirates crafted 2 flags ag sweden from road town).

 

Considering these facts, pls stop that "we always keep our treaties" stuff. It was simply not the case when dutchies were in Hispaniola. Also pls stop to state that we would have harmed the danish community. We had long discussions about how the dutch could give a free route to the danes so they can attack the brits. We invested many hours for this and had an agreement, all that while danish fleets and diplomacy was hostile towards us. In the end we couldn´t give u the ports, because the brits refused and cos we had stated from the very begin, that the dutch would stay neutral in the danish-british war and we stood neutral here (u see, we stick to our treaties).

 

From my point of view, accept what happened in the past anolytic. Not everything the danes did was that honorable.

Edited June 26, 2016 by praefect

[BallsOfSteel]

This is a PVP server, This is a PVE pact LOL, 

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Pirates will come and kill all of you he he he he 

[Anolytic]

Common Anolytic, don´t try to play such stupid kind of games with us. If u want to talk about danish honor, here we go:

 

1. Danish demanded Tiburon, Les Cayes, St Louis the Dutch took from the pirates, cos danish would consider these ports as rightfully danish ports. If we wouldn´t agree to give them to the danish, danish nation would craft flags against us. -> blackmailing ag. an ally -> break of the intention of an alliance

 

2. Danish diplomats stated that if we would go further than Tiburon to fight pirates, danish would declare war on us. -> blackmailing ag. an ally -> break of the intention of an alliance

 

3. Danish declared a PVP zone against us, which would go from St. Louis to Jeremie, without our approval or knowledge. -> danish broke the alliance and were hostile towards us

 

4. Danish clans intercepted SOLs of our RvR fleets over weeks. -> Danish broke the alliance

 

1. This was just a statement of fact. It is not blackmail. We stated clearly that we would not take flags against any ports beyond those three ports that were taken from us with the help of Dutch screening forces while we were still supposed to be allies.

 

2. That's simply not true. Denmark-Norway stated that we would not interfere with the Dutch north of Tiburon.

 

3&4 The PvP-zone was not specific to Dutch. The declaration was however, which was unfortunate and not approved by a diplomat. Yet it was after this that that the alliance still being in effect was confirmed. 

 

 

Also pls stop to state that we would have harmed the danish community. We had long discussions about how the dutch could give a free route to the danes so they can attack the brits. We invested many hours for this and had an agreement, all that while danish fleets and diplomacy was hostile towards us. 

Exactly, at your insistence we spent days talking about something that could have been easily sorted, blocking our players from actually playing in the meantime.

[SoulPYTHON]

To the Royal Highnesses might u be a bit more specific and tell us plebs on which server this is unfolding.

 

Thank u oh so kindly for your answer

[Nalyd]

To the Royal Highnesses might u be a bit more specific and tell us plebs on which server this is unfolding.

 

Thank u oh so kindly for your answer

 

all this concerns the PvP server 1 EU

[Guest]

I didn't get what it said on beginning. Billion words to say... what? Venerics will fight vs pirates? If it is so, then we know that allready. Swerige will fight pirates? We know it also. Anyone can translate this to normal language?

VP - SWE alliance upgraded from defensive alliance to full alliance.

VP - Brit offensive alliance targeting pirates.

Acknowledged decline if VP - FR diplo relations.

Official cancellation of the VP - FR alliance (so far both sides had simply fulfilled the terms of other defensive pacts).

Afaik.

Common, Anolytic, that dude have something wrong in his had. That treaty never was Aliance declare. It was agreement about peace zone at eastern part of map, but free pvp and war at western part between Jamaica, Cuba and Hispaniola. Aliance vs Aliance. You should definitelly call me to that last diplo meeting or get better translator... or both

He just don't get it.

Wouldn't recommend following up "I dont understand this stuff!" with talk about how someone else supposedly doesn't understand stuff.

[Young]

Hang the rat criminals that`s what i got out of it!! 

 

 

Death to the rat plague 

[Gooneybird]

All nations could ask themselves:

 

For now: determine a peaceful status quo and make a combined effort to root out pirates and split up ex-pirate territory among eachother?

Edited June 27, 2016 by Gooneybird

[CeltiberoCaesar]

All nations could ask themselves:

For now: determine a peaceful status quo and make a combined effort to root out pirates and split up ex-pirate territory among eachother?

We can do that with the english as well

[Lytse Pier]

You guys love to use complicated words, confusing terms and long texts to express simple ideas... Hahahaha

Cant you just say it in a simplier way?

Simplicity is greatly overrated by the people that practice it. ;-)

[Lytse Pier]

Yeah, people should start adding a "tl;dr" to these announcements. My head hurts when trying to understand it

Edit; Don't get me wrong, i think the role play stuff is cool!

If you only read the boldly emphasized words, you get the message without the fluff. ;-) Edited June 27, 2016 by Lytse Pier

[Eishen]

 

26th of June 1716, Willemstad, Curaçao.

 

.....and His Majesty George the Third, by the Grace of God, King of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, and so forth

 

 

George III (George William Frederick; 4 June 1738 – 29 January 1820) 

 

You are a george too late 

[CeltiberoCaesar]

Simplicity is greatly overrated by the people that practice it. ;-)

Simply and good is twice good. Overpompous texts make it harder to understand... Much more if you are not native speaker ... I could put you and example in spanish that cant be understand if you are not such native speaker to probe my point...

To begin with a thread title like "Dutch declear war to X" or/and "his alliance to Y " would be much more clear, dont you thinks so?

Edited June 27, 2016 by CeltiberoCaesar