I think admin/devs owe a lot of people an answer, put this issue to rest.

[Tindahbawx]

Yes, the community decided. The same community where at last check the pirate faction is the 2nd largest and could be the largest now. I beg you pardon but somehow I doubt they would vote for change that contradicts their best interest.

 

So, in your opinion, the game developers should make changes that severely negatively affect players in the "largest portion of the community", despite the community voting against this as a priority?

 

Thats hardly going to positively effect the game now is it, if the devs turned around and said "hey guys, we're just going to put the crew changes and production buildings on hold for now, and make heavy changes to the pirate faction (and largely make them unplayable in the process) just to placate some national players"?

 

I cannot see how you think this position makes any sense whatsoever.

[Shoeshine]

what a ridiculous argument. Implying someone is a Nazi is meant as an insult. plain and simple. As for being "sensitive" how about showing people respect and acting like an adult and not some surly teenager.

You clearly aint familiar with the term then. I can call a friend or some1 a "grammar-nazi" for pointing out a misspell. Its not ment as a insult to that person, just that I the person is alittle to picky, cause they understod the word but still had to point it out. And if you still misstrust me, feel free to google the term yourself. Edited March 4, 2016 by Shoeshine

[Remo]

No.

We behave professionally with people who behave professionally. Communities especially steam communities are using street justice which usually separates good people from bad people very quickly and just does not let any BS. There were/are a lot of  haters of certain features on this forum (read the AI fleets threads) and we even create topics to collect things that people hate to fix over time. But.

 

We will not tolerate people insulting us/me. Losing people is fine. We don't care about sales and never cared. Money are of no importance to us  http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/25/8846695/apple-confederate-flag-civil-war. We said **** you to Apple and have no problem letting go of "Justme", just because he is a jerk who cant read what we said. He will be like almost the second non viagra spammer guy who was ever banned here over 3 years of forum operation.

 

Well shit, how the hell am I supposed to argue with that?

 

 

You're alright in my book Admin.

Edited March 4, 2016 by Remo

[SirLeggit]

You clearly aint familiar with the term then. I can call a friend or some1 a "grammar-nazi" for pointing out a misspell. Its not ment as a insult to that person, just that I the person is alittle to picky, cause they understod the word but still had to point it out. And if you still misstrust me, feel free to google the term yourself.

Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain

[Long Beard]

You clearly aint familiar with the term then. I can call a friend or some1 a "grammar-nazi" for pointing out a misspell. Its not ment as a insult to that person, just that I the person is alittle to picky. And if you still misstrust me, feel free to google the term yourself.

TBH, if a friend called me a gammer-nazi I'd laugh it off. But the guy in question isn't the admins friend, nor was it meant in jest and it *was* meant as an insult. He was basically saying, and I'm paraphrasing here, that the admin was forcing his opinions on people and we all had to form a line and bend over.

Anyway, not really much left to say on this. It's their house, their rules.

[Ruthless4u]

Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain

I thought the qoute was never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

[Shoeshine]

Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain

Quoting Mark Twain doesnt unmake how you can use the word "nazi" towards others. I quoted a explanation to the actuall use of the word "nazi" in arguments. You just throw in your personal view on the matter. But its only that. Your view on it. While most of us get how it works. You have a opinion on the matter. But you know what they say about opinions right? "Opinions are like assholes. Every1 has one". Sry for pointing out that it aint that black and white using that word. And I still think devs are overreacting on a grand scale here. But hey... Thats only my opinion...

[Tindahbawx]

We don't care about sales and never cared. Money are of no importance to us  http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/25/8846695/apple-confederate-flag-civil-war. We said **** you to Apple

 

Why on earth would anyone expect you to remove the confederate flag from a civil war game??! That's like trying to white-wash history.

[Remo]

Why on earth would anyone expect you to remove the confederate flag from a civil war game??! That's like trying to white-wash history.

 

You would be surprised.

[Malachi]

Looks like the fairytale pirate 'nation' is going to stay. Meh...

[StandingCow]

Looks like the fairytale pirate 'nation' is going to stay. Meh...

 

Ehhhh, sounds more to me like the devs just have bigger priorities (ones the community voted on in fact).  They, just as we, are learning as they go.  As admin mentioned, human behavior can surprise people.  We are still in an early access stage, anything and everything could change at any time.

 

We are all VERY lucky to even have this sort of niche game (same praise I give Eagle Dynamics for DCS), the devs are creating the game they love and we get to come along for the ride. 

[Kutai]

Hello. I am a Pirate.

[Long Beard]

Looks like the fairytale pirate 'nation' is going to stay. Meh...

 

Cool.

Now we have fairy tale nations and pirates. All is made right in the virtual world. Time to play.

[Tindahbawx]

Looks like the fairytale pirate 'nation' is going to stay. Meh...

 

You wouldnt have pirates if the nationals co-ordinated and made a joint effort to wipe them out, as they did in real life, with all nations taking steps against them. They were also fractured in real life, and not working as a single entity for shared prosperity. 

 

However in game the landscape is very different. Pirates are working together successfully and there is, apparenty, no joint efforts on the part of any of the nationals to wipe them out, therefore they are flourishing.

[Mrdoomed]

Everything these devs/admins say and do really impress ne and give me even greater hope that this game will be a huge f ing success! Keep it up admin.

[alien]

Cool.

Now we have fairy tale nations and pirates. All is made right in the virtual world. Time to play.

 

 

Welcome to ... Neverland .. captain hook  

[MaryCeleste]

Quoting Mark Twain doesnt unmake how you can use the word "nazi" towards others. I quoted a explanation to the actuall use of the word "nazi" in arguments. You just throw in your personal view on the matter. But its only that. Your view on it. While most of us get how it works. You have a opinion on the matter. But you know what they say about opinions right? "Opinions are like assholes. Every1 has one". Sry for pointing out that it aint that black and white using that word. And I still think devs are overreacting on a grand scale here. But hey... Thats only my opinion...

 

 

You are very much correct it isn't black and white, yet you are making it black and white by saying people shouldn't be offended by the use of the word nazi due to x, y, z, and that you if you are offended by its use you are silly.

 

If you want to throw around nazi this nazi that, that is your business and how your social circles may operate.  This is a multi cultural community, on a game developed by a team in KIev.  There is going to be a wide interpretation and reaction of the word because of this.

 

Thank you for explaining that in your social situation it is ok to use and call someone a " " nazi or make references to such.  Please understand, however, that not everyone here is in your same social situation and will have different reactions to this.

 

It is totally ok for you to come out and say you think it is silly, just as it is totally ok for others to tell you why they don't think it is silly and is instead a serious matter to them.

 

There is no "winning" the argument here, as there is no argument to begin with, just different people which have different emotions envoked by that word.

 

So I think we can leave it at that eh?

[Mrdoomed]

You are very much correct it isn't black and white, yet you are making it black and white by saying people shouldn't be offended by the use of the word nazi due to x, y, z, and that you if you are offended by its use you are silly.

If you want to throw around nazi this nazi that, that is your business and how your social circles may operate. This is a multi cultural community, on a game developed by a team in KIev. There is going to be a wide interpretation and reaction of the word because of this.

Thank you for explaining that in your social situation it is ok to use and call someone a " " nazi or make references to such. Please understand, however, that not everyone here is in your same social situation and will have different reactions to this.

It is totally ok for you to come out and say you think it is silly, just as it is totally ok for others to tell you why they don't think it is silly and is instead a serious matter to them.

There is no "winning" the argument here, as there is no argument to begin with, just different people which have different emotions envoked by that word.

So I think we can leave it at that eh?

Regardless of what words used i just find it or found it outrageous that a person in a open beta could be so mad and so all what i want and egotistical to call the development team names of any kind and to deliberately try to start a fight with them over what he thinks shoul be done.

I think that tells us more than any words acually used. This is a game people try and remember that.

[Zisme]

Regardless of what words used i just find it or found it outrageous that a person in a open beta could be so mad and so all what i want and egotistical to call the development team names of any kind and to deliberately try to start a fight with them over what he thinks shoul be done.

I think that tells us more than any words acually used. This is a game people try and remember that.

I find it fascinating that people not playing Pirates are telling the devs how they think the pirates should be. and then they want to restrict people from being able to partake in every aspect of the game....selfish...very selfish of these folks. I didnt pay money for this game to go for a fishing cruise.

[MaryCeleste]

Agreed, but I also understand where the passion comes from.

 

A game in this niche of this caliber has not been seen in quite some time.

 

The gamers that like this type of game are few but extremely devoted and passionate.  They want this game to succeed and and will fight to keep it from failing.

 

I think those that are up in arms about this are worried that the pirates won't be fixed.  They have it in their minds that the way they operate now will eventually drive people away from the game before its final form (http://jonlovesart.com/images/finalform2.jpg).

 

So in order to keep the game alive that they want to see succeed, they feel that it needs to be fixed now in order to keep players interested in the game.

 

I don't think anyone disputes that pirates need tweeking.  I think the disagreements come in when it takes priority over other things on the dev's schedule.

 

Everyone needs to remember, early access/alpha, is a grueling time.  You have to go in with distinct possibility that the game will not make it.  That is the risk associated with being involved at this point.  If you are still having fun, then please stay and play.  But if not it may be best set it down and revisit after a couple major patches.  

 

That is exactly what I did back when we just had sea trials.  I played for months and months and when I did all there is to do I set it down.  Then I came back once OW was opened and have been having a great time.  Currently I have no plans to set it down anytime soon, but there is always that option for me if I don't like the current iteration.

 

When it comes down to it division in this community will not help the game succeed, there are so few of us anyway.  Neither will vitriol towards the dev's.  They are, in the end, the controllers and owners of this game.  They ask for our help, but are in no way beholden to us.  To think otherwise, imo, is only setting yourself up for disappointment when things do not happen to your liking.

 

So I hope we can all set this aside and enjoy the game in its current state and as it changes.  There is plenty of fun to be had in the current revision and I can only see it getting better.

[Shoeshine]

You are very much correct it isn't black and white, yet you are making it black and white by saying people shouldn't be offended by the use of the word nazi due to x, y, z, and that you if you are offended by its use you are silly.

If you want to throw around nazi this nazi that, that is your business and how your social circles may operate. This is a multi cultural community, on a game developed by a team in KIev. There is going to be a wide interpretation and reaction of the word because of this.

Thank you for explaining that in your social situation it is ok to use and call someone a " " nazi or make references to such. Please understand, however, that not everyone here is in your same social situation and will have different reactions to this.

It is totally ok for you to come out and say you think it is silly, just as it is totally ok for others to tell you why they don't think it is silly and is instead a serious matter to them.

There is no "winning" the argument here, as there is no argument to begin with, just different people which have different emotions envoked by that word.

So I think we can leave it at that eh?

First. Nowhere did I say it was silly that them were provoked by the use of "nazi" in arguments. You put word into my mouth there. I explained that using "nazi" aint that bad and shouldnt warrant a ban. In the quote I used where they explained the use of "nazi" it clearly say that it can be used as a difference of a opinion. And if the devs were provoked by that, although I havent even found that word in any post, is being way to sensitive. I can see points on both side of this debate. But nowhere do I find any1s argument to warrant a ban. I hope the devs rethink their stance on matters like this and dont feel so easily provoked. What Ive read here aint even close to what Ive read on other game forums. I thought the tone was rather good until the dev started to threaten peeps with bans. I thought that were more provokin then anything else. You need to have thicker skin then that as a dev. So I hope they rethink threatning peeps with bans left and right when it gets alittle uncomfortable for them.

Edit. But do get me right. I love the devs communication, and that they explain their stance on it etc. I appriciate all that. This ban-threatning was the first and only time I think they handled things badly. So I hope they rethink their stance there.

And now Ive said what I wanted on this matter. No need to beat this dead horse anymore from my side.

Edited March 4, 2016 by Shoeshine

[Henry d'Esterre Darby]

Let's get back on topic please.

 

 

Thanks for the response Admin.  Good to see where you guys are coming from.  Far more sandbox, far less historical accuracy.

 

 

 

When you get to it in due course...

 

Since pirates are already forming up into multiple different groups, how about recognizing this?

 

Recognition of a "Clan or Guild" as a distinct pirate "Nation" which would.

 

Allow them to capture ports as a clan, and either allow or block other pirate groups from docking and participating in defense of the port.

 

Allow them to select a new "Capital" once they captured a port.  This port would still be subject to capture, so the advantage would be that "teleport to capital" would send them their with their boat.

 

If the capital was open other pirates, allow them to also change their capital base to that port.

 

That way if your guild wants autonomy, join as a pirate and try to take over the world.  In fighting, co-operation etc all become a recognized meta in the giant Sandbox.

 

This is potentially planned as "national charters".  Admin alluded to it above when he mentioned the Polish and other countries taking over part of the Bahamas.  Allowing the pirate faction's members to create a historical nation and split off would indeed create a lot of interesting gameplay and meta, as well as allowing the pirates to grow/contract based on internal politics and other factors.

[Mrdoomed]

Let's get back on topic please.

This is potentially planned as "national charters". Admin alluded to it above when he mentioned the Polish and other countries taking over part of the Bahamas. Allowing the pirate faction's members to create a historical nation and split off would indeed create a lot of interesting gameplay and meta, as well as allowing the pirates to grow/contract based on internal politics and other factors.

This all sounds so good ( and im a pirate) but is there any plans to do away with locking us into a preset capital? I was always hoping that we could disguise our name and sails on the OW ( after all how could anyone know us) and use any port and pick our own pirate hotspots or capitals , hidout whatever.

[Admiral 8Q]

Welcome to ... Neverland .. captain hook  

It is romantic being a pirate in fantasy.   

Edited March 4, 2016 by Admiral 8Q

[Henry d'Esterre Darby]

This all sounds so good ( and im a pirate) but is there any plans to do away with locking us into a preset capital? I was always hoping that we could disguise our name and sails on the OW ( after all how could anyone know us) and use any port and pick our own pirate hotspots or capitals , hidout whatever.

 

False flags are extremely complex, I once tried to write up a feature description for them, and realized just how many mechanics either have to change, don't work, etc when you try to do them.  To do them well would be extraordinarily difficult.  As to capitals moving, there are many complexities here as well, though there have been some good suggestions about having multiple capitals for some nations and/or allowing players to set a "home port" instead.