a55mu11e7 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Is there any reason why these aren't available in ports? The biggest ship I've seen for sale in ports is the Constitution. At this point, even on US PVE server, our clan is chock full of captains a few flag captains and we even have a few commodores that are either having to settle on captured 3rd Rates or Connies to fight in. Mostly because our crafting is such slow going...our highest level crafter just got the Trincom BP earlier in the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Marslow Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 They have to be player built. NPCs dont sell trincs and up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 They do sell Constitutions which, along with capturing Constitutions from AI, is a bit crap. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manta Scorpion Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 its already too much, there should not be anything higher then frigate/bellepoule in shop or capturable 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Dryfus Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 I agree. Those ships should be allowed to be sold by players, HOWEVER there should be a limit to how many can be sold. NPC shops selling common or basic level Santismas would be sickening. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Tylor Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 (edited) Think would be fair enough, to compensate for small nations being outproduced by big nations, otherwise small nations will just die. Higher population brings too much advantage and there is nothing to balance it out atm Edited February 28, 2016 by MadGelo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a55mu11e7 Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 a few of you just reconfirmed what i already said...what im saying is let the NPCs sell basic non-upgradable 1st and 2nd rates. They're shit quality compared to the capturable ships. a basic gray teak santi is garbage on paper compared to a captured blue live oak 3rd rate. Im just asking for an opportunity to be able to give these bigger ships a test drive before I throw down on an exceptional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Bouff Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Frankly I wouldn't allow 4th rates or above to be captured, should only be player built. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drogoran Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 its already too much, there should not be anything higher then frigate/bellepoule in shop or capturable and then majority of people would never get to sail anything bigger than those ships either crafters dont have the labor hours to waste on crafting puny ships for random players they need em all for crafting first rates for clan people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Bouff Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 and then majority of people would never get to sail anything bigger than those ships either crafters dont have the labor hours to waste on crafting puny ships for random players they need em all for crafting first rates for clan people You realise that crafters have to build those ships in order to reach the higher levels? And if everybody needs those ships then people will build them. With only one Durability on a 1st Rate a Thirs Rate with 3 looks a whole lot cheaper in comparison if you couldn't capture them. We already see Bellonas being crafted and used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aetrion Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 I don't agree at all that the higher ranked ships need to be player built. That only enforces this silly notion that bigger is always better and that ships should get rarer and rarer the larger they get. That simply wasn't the case back then though. A much more realistic way of looking at it would be that ships back then came in two major categories: The ships of the line which were ships built for fighting other nations, and the frigates and smaller ships which were used to police a nation's waters and secure its trade. All these systems that try to make large ships difficult to obtain only serve to legitimize imbalance and one sided design. It doesn't do anything to actually give every ship a vital role, it just tries to make "being cheap" into a role, like anyone wants to play the game to be the master of mid tier garbage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tindahbawx Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) Frankly I wouldn't allow 4th rates or above to be captured, should only be player built. What if you capture a 4th Rate thats been built by another player and take it home as a prize ship? We already see Bellonas being crafted and used. Bellonas? Hell, a little birdie tells me that the Brits on PvP1 already have 3 Victory's. Edited February 29, 2016 by Tindahbawx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Bouff Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 What if you capture a 4th Rate thats been built by another player and take it home as a prize ship? Bellonas? Hell, a little birdie tells me that the Brits on PvP1 already have 3 Victory's. Capping player ship - not a problem, should be allowed as per current status, just remove capping NPCs Victorys - good! If they have managed to get crafters up to that level already and pump out 1st rates (with captains to fully crew them) then I'm impressed. Now you just have to try and capture them, only 1 Dura remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tindahbawx Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Victorys - good! If they have managed to get crafters up to that level already and pump out 1st rates (with captains to fully crew them) then I'm impressed. Now you just have to try and capture them, only 1 Dura remember. The problem there is that RNGesus hasn't blessed any of our factions crafters with even a 2nd Rate Blue Print yet, despite having been churning out the ships when able. Can't be helped though, at least the daft RNG Blueprint drop system is getting dropped with the next big patch, moving to a level based system instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Bouff Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 The problem there is that RNGesus hasn't blessed any of our factions crafters with even a 2nd Rate Blue Print yet, despite having been churning out the ships when able. Can't be helped though, at least the daft RNG Blueprint drop system is getting dropped with the next big patch, moving to a level based system instead. Yeah, while I don't mind the current system the new one is 'fairer'. Unitl then hit lots of PBs as they can drop from those as well from what I hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drogoran Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) You realise that crafters have to build those ships in order to reach the higher levels? And if everybody needs those ships then people will build them. With only one Durability on a 1st Rate a Thirs Rate with 3 looks a whole lot cheaper in comparison if you couldn't capture them. We already see Bellonas being crafted and used. you realise the amount of ships comming onto the market from leveling crafters is pitifully small? and of dubious quality? a 3rd rate is attractive compared to a 1st rate no denying that but why the hell would a leveld crafter waste his valulable hours crafting a custom order for some random low lvl dude he doesent know that wants a surprise or trinco rather than pumping 3rd rate and above as hard as they will go? Edited March 1, 2016 by drogoran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Bouff Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 you realise the amount of ships comming onto the market from leveling crafters is pitifully small? and of dubious quality? a 3rd rate is attractive compared to a 1st rate no denying that but why the hell would a leveld crafter waste his valulable hours crafting a custom order for some random low lvl dude he doesent know that wants a surprise or trinco rather than pumping 3rd rate and above as hard as they will go? Supply and demand? If nobody is building trincs then the price will rocket, if everybody is building thirds the price will crash, so you can blast out a trinc to make a tidy profit. If you want to win shallow water ports you will also need to have exceptional quality shallow water ships (merc/navy brig or niagara if it becomes craftable). With the new land maps coming in what if there are channels that a large 3rd or above would struggle to navigate through, you might see more frigates involved then when Trinco or Belle will come into their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prater Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 you realise the amount of ships comming onto the market from leveling crafters is pitifully small? and of dubious quality? a 3rd rate is attractive compared to a 1st rate no denying that but why the hell would a leveld crafter waste his valulable hours crafting a custom order for some random low lvl dude he doesent know that wants a surprise or trinco rather than pumping 3rd rate and above as hard as they will go? $$$ If crafters aren't charging for labor hours, that is their problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quineloe Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) a few of you just reconfirmed what i already said...what im saying is let the NPCs sell basic non-upgradable 1st and 2nd rates. They're shit quality compared to the capturable ships. a basic gray teak santi is garbage on paper compared to a captured blue live oak 3rd rate. Im just asking for an opportunity to be able to give these bigger ships a test drive before I throw down on an exceptional. They're not shit quality. They can appear in the shop without any quirks, or even green quirks, which puts them _way_ ahead of a player crafted basic ship with two grey quirks that act as a penalty. e.g. a Crew Space (Grey) ship will have 95% crew, a green one will have 101%. Another issue is that you can simply play the BP lottery by buying these ships en masse and then breaking them up. They're cheap enough to do this. It's certainly cheaper to do this with constitutions than to craft basic trincs, and a whole lot faster. IMO NPCs should exclusively sell common ships (Cerberus, Frigate, Brig and Snows), and -maybe- mercuries and surprises. Certainly not Constitutions. It's also bad enough that you can capture Mastercrafted Third Rates. This really diminishes the value of a build third rate with a mere three durability. Edited March 2, 2016 by Quineloe 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral 8Q Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Bigger is always better.Oh wait a sec... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drogoran Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) $$$ If crafters aren't charging for labor hours, that is their problem. wat? normaly my craft friend has us non crafters craft all the components and save all his hours for the ship itself he aint got labor hours to waste on crafting ships for the random pub players they all go to leveling his crafting and suplying us with the ships needed for pvp and i very much doubt there is enuf solo crafters around to supply the entire playerbase Edited March 3, 2016 by drogoran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quineloe Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 wat? normaly my craft friend has us non crafters craft all the components and save all his hours for the ship itself he aint got labor hours to waste on crafting ships for the random pub players they all go to leveling his crafting and suplying us with the ships needed for pvp and i very much doubt there is enuf solo crafters around to supply the entire playerbase He's trading his crafting hours for your crafting hours. Since it takes more hours to prepare a ship than it takes to actually build the ship, he's coming out ahead in that exchange. And given how hard it is to find solvent demand for the ship you want to make (BP lottery) I'd rather waste my crafting hours on a basic ship instead of bothering to look for someone for hours to pay me for it. That probably includes Trincs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 a few of you just reconfirmed what i already said...what im saying is let the NPCs sell basic non-upgradable 1st and 2nd rates. They're shit quality compared to the capturable ships. a basic gray teak santi is garbage on paper compared to a captured blue live oak 3rd rate. Im just asking for an opportunity to be able to give these bigger ships a test drive before I throw down on an exceptional. never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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