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I am careful with my research:It looks like there could be 2 ship replicas based on the same hull. As you can see hull is the same on both images. Also, the stern on your suggested replica is too simple and looks like a frigate stern. East Indiamens during that that time had much more complex and more decorated sterns. We can't forget that it was purchased from a trading company and originaly it was a trading ship. Take a look : I do not believe original ship plans were preserved, maybe just the hull plan. I think that's why ship constructors implemented their own style from 2 different nations. HMS GLATTON Navire de 56 canons construit pour la compagnie des indes, il fut acheté par la Royal Navy en 1795 et converti en navire de guerre. Son artillerie était uniquement composée de « carronades » - pièces lourdes à canon court destinées au combat rapproché et nécessitant beaucoup moins d'artilleurs pour les servir. Les « carronades » infligeaient de terribles dégâts en balayant le pont du navire adverse. Les Français subirent cruellement cette innovation anglaise avant de l'adopter quelques années plus tard. https://sites.google.com/site/maquettesmarineavoile/glatton

Interesting E-book for all. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/24797/24797-h/24797-h.htm

HMS Glatton took part in these battles: Battle of Copenhagen Battle of Camperdown

Agree, can be a nice Trader ship for long solo journeys. Can defend and fight while hauling cargo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Glatton_%281795%29 Glatton Career (UK) East India Company Name: Glatton Builder: Wells & Co. of Blackwell Launched: 29 November 1792 Fate: Sold to the Royal Navy in 1795 Career (UK) Name: HMS Glatton Acquired: 1795, from East India Company Honours and awards: Naval General Service Medal with clasp "Copenhagen 1801"[1] Fate: Sunk as breakwater, 1830 General characteristics [2] Tons burthen: 1256 21⁄94> (bm) Sail plan: Full-rigged ship Complement: East Indiaman: 125.[3] Royal Navy: 343 Armament: East Indiaman: 26 x 12 & 6-pounder guns.[3] Upgraded to: RN from 1795: Upper deck - 28 x 32-poundercarronades Lower deck - 28 x 68-pounder carronades (later replaced by 18-pounder long guns) RN from 1804: 44 guns It does look like they added extra gun deck and upped the gun poundage.

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Panteleymon Victoria 66 gun ship Panteleymon Victoria The construction of this ship began on the 22nd of March 1719 in St Petersburg under the direction of well known shipwright Blais Pangalo and she first sailed on the 27th of July 1721. The ship was named in honour of the Gangut (1714) and Grengam (1720) Battle victories. Between 1722 and 1727 the ship was part of the Baltic squadron and was involved in exploration of the gulf of Finland.

Admin please consider this ship in future build.

More advanced plans added:

Eastindiaman modified, probably added second deck where cargo used to be stored.

HMS Glatton 56-gun ship built for the East India Company , it was purchased by the Royal Navy in 1795 and converted into a warship. His artillery was composed only of " carronades " - heavy pieces short barrel for close combat and requiring much less gunners to serve them. The " carronades " inflicted terrible damage by sweeping the deck of opposing ship . The French suffered cruelly this English innovation before adopting a few years later. In 1801 HMS Glatton was commanded by Captain Bligh (future commander of the Bounty ) who distinguished himself in the eyes of Nelson.

Did you know? In 1801 HMS Glatton was commanded by Captain Bligh (future commander of the Bounty ) who distinguished himself in the eyes of Nelson. This was his ship before Bounty, HMS Glatton 56-gun ship built for the East India Company , it was purchased by the Royal Navy in 1795 and converted into a warship. His artillery was composed only of " carronades " - heavy pieces short barrel for close combat and requiring much less gunners to serve them. The " carronades " inflicted terrible damage by sweeping the deck of opposing ship . The French suffered cruelly this English innovation before adopting a few years later . http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/2936-hms-glatton-56-guns-tradewar-ship/ Source: https://sites.google.com/site/maquettesmarineavoile/glatton

HMS Experiment (British 4th Rate, 50 Guns) Ship designed by Sir John Williams; built Adams & Co., Deptford, river Thames; launched 23 August 1774; 50 guns 4th Rate; dismasted in a gale and taken captive by the Sagittoire, French fleet 24 September 1778 off American east coast on passage from New York to Savannah Looking for ship plans!

Sweet collection of ship plans. http://woodmodelbuil...d-drawings.html http://www.modelforu...p?f=183&t=46754 Free books: http://woodmodelbuil...able-books.html Plans: Bluenose HMS Revenge HMS Enterprise HMS Royal Caroline Period Ship Detail USS Constitution Prins Willem Vassa HMS Leopard La Licorne (Unicorn) HMAV Bounty HMS Resolution HMS Kingfisher HMS Serapis Royal Louis Frigate Raleigh Revenue Cutter Alert Le Phenix Schooner Benjamin W Latham Santisima Trinidad

HMS Serapis was a Royal Navy two-decked, Roebuck-class fifth rate. Randall & Brent built her at Greenland South Dockyard, Rotherhithe[2] and launched her in 1779. She was armed with 44 guns (twenty 18-pounders, twenty 9-pounders, and four 6-pounders). Serapis was named after the god Serapis in Greek and Egyptian mythology. The Americans captured her during the American Revolutionary War. They transferred her to the French, who commissioned her as a privateer. She was lost off Madagascar in 1781 to a fire. Plans:

Is there any way we can see ship specs in numbers? Or something like they showed in potbs. With this info we can easily compare.

Beauty!

It depends what you click, I think there are some advertisement crap too. I added plans here.

Great ship! Take a look here for smaller ships: http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/2863-swan-class-ships-models-with-pictures/ People like tiny frigates!)) These frigates should be scouts, speed and maneuver with 14 lb guns. Can't stand vs 4th rates for long, but can harass a big ship and flee or hunt in wolf packs.

The WAPEN VON HAMBURG historical background In the 17th century the German Empire was a rather loose federation that had only limited naval power. It could not give its trading vessels a protection by an organized escort system. Especially the Mediterranean routes were endangered by corsairs of the Barbary States of North Africa, who were masters in using their fast and light chebecs. In the years 1662 - 1667 the City of Hamburg lost altogether 13 trading vessels to pirates, and the shipping of the city was nearly disrupted. In 1667 the citizenry decided to build two strong warships as “convoy ships”. They were the Leopoldus Primus and the WAPEN VON HAMBURG. The Leopoldus Primus undertook 33 long journeys, until she was broken up in 1705. The WAPEN VON HAMBURG was built in the Deichtor shipyard in Hamburg by a Dutch shipbuilding master. The construction work started in spring of 1667 when the keel was laid down. The wood work was finished in 1668. The armaments were installed, and the ship took up service in 1669. The sculpture work was done under the guidance of master carver Christian Precht. From 1669 the ship served as an escort vessel on voyages to Malaga, Cadiz, Lisbon and north till Spitsbergen. In October 1683, on a trip to Cadiz, suddenly a fire started in the forecastle and rapidly spread throughout the vessel. The fire eventually reached the gunpowder depot and caused a terrible explosion that destroyed the ship. Admiral Berent Jakobsen Karpfanger, 42 of 170 crew members, and 22 of 50 soldiers lost their lives. The body of the admiral was buried with great ceremony in the foreigners' cemetery on the seafront of Puntales, Cadiz. King Charles II of Spain erected a monument on the tomb to honour the admiral. It stood there for 125 years, until in 1808 the French removed the cemetery in order to enlarge the port fortification. To replace the lost convoy ship a new Wapen von Hamburg was built in 1686 and 1687, which was used until 1719. On 12 November 1720 a third ship of this name was launched, the Wapen von Hamburg (III).

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Neptune Body plan, sheer lines, and longitudinal half-breadth for Neptune (1756) and Union (1756), both 90-gun Second Rate, three-deckers. The plan indicates proposed alterations dated 1754 during their construction. Signed by Joshua Allin (Surveyor of the Navy, 1716-1755).

St Michaels 90-98 gun St Michael was smallest first rate ship in her time. In 1689 she was reduced to 2nd rate.

86 Guns, French Le Phenix Ship Plans: http://u22266361.letitbit.net/download/42087.4d511ca917d332830518b21a44a3/Le_Phenix.pdf.html http://woodmodelbuilding.blogspot.com/p/plans-and-drawings.html