Fluffy Fishy Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) The Arsenal didn't really limit them too much, it was much better outfitted for and really designed to build galleys for most of its lifespan although even at its peak it never made up more than around 20% of the maritime production. although you have probably seen it, this covers most of the history although not all, I'm surprised why its missing bits like the dry docks I was talking about.http://arsenalofvenice.weebly.com/history-of-the-arsenale.htmlThere were shipyards lining lido and a couple in murano too, all suited better to the slow process of line ships. Edited February 10, 2016 by Fluffy Fishy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Pig of the seas Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 In the first times, the Venetian Republic disliked the galleons, and for a long time rent it from Netherlands, instead produce from his shipyards Venetian fleet ("Armada" or "Armada da mar") was divided to 2 types: "Armata Sottile", where we translate in "light fleet", and "Armata Grossa" or "Heavy Fleet" in Venice, on XVIII Century the fleet was divided: - Vascello di I Rango: twodecker with 68/74 cannons - Vascello di II Rango, or "Fregata Grossa" (Heavy frigate): twodecker with 60/66 cannons - Vascello di III Rango, or "Fregata" (frigate): twodecker with 40/50 cannons - Vascello di IV Rango, or "Fregatina" (light frigate), ship with less 40 cannons Of course we can see in the late XVIII century the equivalent venetian I class is comparable with the third class of the other navies, but for "prestige", the classification wasn't never changed. http://www.veneziamuseo.it/ARSENAL/schede_arsenal/vascelli.htm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 In the first times, the Venetian Republic disliked the galleons, and for a long time rent it from Netherlands, instead produce from his shipyards Venetian fleet ("Armada" or "Armada da mar") was divided to 2 types: "Armata Sottile", where we translate in "light fleet", and "Armata Grossa" or "Heavy Fleet" in Venice, on XVIII Century the fleet was divided: - Vascello di I Rango: twodecker with 68/74 cannons - Vascello di II Rango, or "Fregata Grossa" (Heavy frigate): twodecker with 60/66 cannons - Vascello di III Rango, or "Fregata" (frigate): twodecker with 40/50 cannons - Vascello di IV Rango, or "Fregatina" (light frigate), ship with less 40 cannons Of course we can see in the late XVIII century the equivalent venetian I class is comparable with the third class of the other navies, but for "prestige", the classification wasn't never changed. http://www.veneziamuseo.it/ARSENAL/schede_arsenal/vascelli.htm Dont forget that the Galleon was a Venetian design of ship, the early models were built by Venice and then the design was given to Spain along with a few ships as part of their Alliance against the Ottomans. The division between their light and heavy fleets is one that goes back quite a long way and is more to do with provisioning than much else, the Venetian obsession with proper provisioning which goes back to the provision of grain and other food being vital for the survival of the city. I don't think that the Venetians disliked Galleons as much as had trouble ensuring their quality, when the ship first appeared it was very difficult to lay down a plan for a ship of that size being both strong and economical to make and its during this period where the Dutch became the leaders in maritime crafting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 Some traditional vessels: http://www.cherini.eu/etnografia/NBM/index.html http://www.cherini.eu/etnografia/NBP/index.html http://www.cherini.eu/etnografia/NBA/index.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) Cristina/Letizia Sicilian corvette 24(?) guns 1812 DImensions: 34.8 x 8.9 x 4.2 (?) Displacement: 763 tons (?) Need info! Edited February 12, 2016 by Sella22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) Unknown 58 gun Third rate 1758(?) http://www.unipd.it/esterni/visiteweb/italiano/pagine/schedacommissioni.htm Edited February 14, 2016 by Sella22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Out of curiosity where do you get all this information, I have struggled to find any good books or resources on actual Venetian ships, I have a fair amount of stuff on history, politics, trade, production and the shipbuilding industry but I have nothing on ships, its something I would like to go deeper into.I have just ordered this in the hope it has some good bits in it;http://www.amazon.co.uk/Navi-veneziane-Venetian-ships-Gilberto-Penzo/dp/888190103X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1455844189&sr=8-2&keywords=venetian+ships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 Google!Also check the links on the first post. I wanted to buy that book as well but amazon is not really a choice for me.So I couldn't find it.It contains several plans posted here i think.It would be amazing to have them in a better resolution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) Google!Also check the links on the first post. I wanted to buy that book as well but amazon is not really a choice for me.So I couldn't find it.It contains several plans posted here i think.It would be amazing to have them in a better resolution Yeah, I'm not fond of amazon but its frustratingly useful for finding rare academic books, I will let you know if its any good, it better be good at that price allegedly it going to be delivered next Saturday I might even share some of it on the sneak but don't tell anyone Edited February 19, 2016 by Fluffy Fishy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 Well I will let you know if its any good, it better be good at that price allegedly it going to be delivered next Saturday I might even share some of it on the sneak but don't tell anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitasalato Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Excellent job! I'd love to see some of this ships in game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Bam, A corvette Called Carolina, sadly I don't have the sail plan but I will try and find it. I have the scale for both pictures, sadly the resolution of the second isnt as good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Now that´s a cutie. Do you know when she was launched? With that hull shape, 1790s or 1800s, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Currently I only have information on the scale, trying to track down more without much success, the ship is late independent Venetian so around that date, I would guess anything between about 1780-1797. Looking at the hull it would have been likely built somewhere in the lagoon or intended for use in or around Venice.I would also imagine the sail plan being very similar to this painting of a British corvette. http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLib/351/media-351675/large.jpg Edited February 26, 2016 by Fluffy Fishy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilL.it Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 AMAZING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 San Carlo Borromeo extended.Enjoy, the scale is stated elsewhere but I have it for each picture if need be. Its just a case of working it out 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Unnamed 74 Gun Third rate: VenetianThe writing on the second picture reads:Prioezione scenografica geometrica di una nave di 74 cannoni nella sua imboscatura e compimento. Umiliata A.S.E. il Signor Andrea Querini con I.A. D.I. S.C.R.A.M. pres del C.R.A di Venezia e Com. Gen. della Im. Marina. Per saggio dell'ultimo esame del corso dei Audj nell'Arsemale medisimo da Angelo Gambin alunno della scuola medisima nel mese di 7mbre nell'anno 1800 Sul verso: dissegni a mamo degli esami I have no idea what it translates to as sadly I don't read Italian, anyway here are the designs.Again I will try and work out the scaling when I have time enjoy. Edited October 25, 2016 by Fluffy Fishy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 She is gorgeous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) Faustina Not really in the time period, shes a Galeass from 1685 called the Faustina. I just thought she had a pretty interesting stern so would share it with those who are interested in that kind of thing. Edited March 30, 2017 by Fluffy Fishy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigafetta Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Great collection of beautiful drawings!! I really enjoyed looking at the beautiful Italian ships... Nice job guys and I hope, one day, we will have our own subsection in the forum (Devs... wink wink...). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 (edited) Sant'Antonio da Padova Papal States 1715 The model above is currently exhibited in the Museo Universitario di Palazzo Poggi in Bologna. It was gifted by Pope Benedict XIV in 1754. Info needed! Edited March 16, 2016 by Sella22 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 The Guns of God? What happened to the sails? they look blistered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 Well let's just say that the model is 260 years old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted April 13, 2016 Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) Unknown Third rate ship-of-the-line (Mid 18th century) A contemporary model of a vessel of the order of St. John Maybe the San Giacomo http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=15024 Unknown Maltese Edited April 13, 2016 by Sella22 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Has someone been to malta by chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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