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Small ship Plan Challenges

At the special request of @Malachi :)

There is no official gap inbetween the small ships and no expected new ship in the near futur. Nonethless, some could be added some day...

So here are three challenges for NA plan-digging fans.

Expected post format : 

  • Ships name, date, ship characteristics,
  • plans
  • Challenge #1 or 2 gap(s) to fil (1, 2, 3  and/or 4)
  • historical armament and suggestion(s) for ingame armament

1) Fill-in the gap challenge 

Post your favorite plans that might fill in the gaps below.  Gaps are shown in terms of broadside weight for guns.

Table 1 shows the gaps ; Table 2, some possible armament combinaisons for each 'gap'. 

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Any correction are welcome. :)

Abbreviations

GD : gun deck ; WD : weather deck ; fc : forecastle ; bw : broadside weight

Calculation of a broadside weight :

bw = (number of guns on one side of the gun deck x caliber) + (number of guns on one side of the WD/fc x caliber).

Ex : broadside weight of a frigate carrying 20 x 9-pdr + 14 x 6-pdr = 10 x 9 + 7 x 6 = 132 pdr

 

2) The Ship Sloop Challenge

Post your favorite ship plans meeting the following specs :

  • ship sloop (corvette), that is a three-masted ship
  • armament on gun deck : 12 x 4-pdr, 12 x 6-pdr, 14 x 6-pdr, 16 x 6-pdr, 18 x 6-pdr, 20 x 6-pdr or 22 x 6-pdr. No armed QD/fc.

NB : Those armament combinaisons have already been implemented in game with the Navy Brig, the Mercury and the Snow.

 

3) The challenge 'I know I'm too small but I'm so cute'

Ships  with a broadside weight < 24 (lynx) but nice : small traders with a few guns...

 

4) The challengers

Plans of brigs, snow or fore-and-aft rigged ships that could challenge those currently implemented, ie carrying the same armament :8 x 6-pdr, 12 x 4-pdr, 12 x 6-pdr, 16 x 6-pdr, 18 x 6-pdr, 20 x 6-pdr or 22 x 6-pdr.

Have fun :)

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4 minutes ago, George Washington said:

Small collection. WIP.

 

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A 3rd Rate and a frigate to fill the gaps between Cutter and Pickle? Plus we need to know what cannons they carried

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6 minutes ago, Sella22 said:

A 3rd Rate and a frigate to fill the gaps between Cutter and Pickle? Plus we need to know what cannons they carried

Fixed, will try to find more info as I add plans. 

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Small collection. WIP.

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To add some details to Washington´s post: the second picture shows a british 1719 Establishment 6th rate (at least I think it is :P), the last one is Blaae Heyren, a danish 18-gun corvette built in 1734. The first, third and fourth were just proposals and haven´t been built as far as I know.

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HMS Vincejo

Armament:  Upper Deck sixteen 18-pound carronades, Quarterdeck two 6-pound long guns

Launched Length Keel Breadth Hold Tonnage Crew

1798?

91' 5 1/2" 82' 25' 2" 12' 8" 276 1/2 100

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May I ask where you got those kingfisher plans from? Are they even in higher res than presented here?

My first contribution in here is the danish Wilmanden:

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armed with 18 x 6pdrs she has a broadside weight of 54 pound (danish)

Her most interesting feat is beein a fully rigged ship.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, George Washington said:

You guys figure out, I am just dumping resources here. 

So we´re playing 'Guess the ship' now? Whatever...

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26 minutes ago, George Washington said:

You guys figure out, I am just dumping resources here. 

Somewhat takes the elegance of these topics to be fair.

 

@LeBoiteuxMust admit i have thouroughly enjoyed these topics and do intend on partaking in this one as well tonight. :)

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50 minutes ago, SteelSandwich said:

 

@LeBoiteuxMust admit i have thouroughly enjoyed these topics and do intend on partaking in this one as well tonight. :)

Happy to know that. That's the aim of the game (with sharing out new plans and maybe filling in NA gaps someday) :)

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Shared here mainly as it is a piece of History. Thanks to our Surcouf. Our in-game cutter is beautiful btw.

Le Renard

1812

French Privateer Cutter 

armed and owned by Robert @Surcouf

Historical armament : 10 x 8-pdr (carronades) + 4 x 4-pdr (48 pdr)

Suggestion for in-game armament (gaps 1-2) :

  • 14 x 6-pdr (42 pdr)
  • 14 x 4-pdr (28 pdr)
  • 10 x 6-pdr + 4 x 4-pdr (38 pdr)

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Modern plans of the present replica

Dimensions : 

  • Longueur : 30 m
  • Longueur de coque : 19 m
  • Maître-bau : 6 m
  • Tirant d'eau : 2,8 m
  • Deplacement : 70 t

Crew : 3-30 (historical crew : 48)

Sources :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_cutter_Renard_(1812)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Surcouf

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Pijl

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1785

Dutch Brig

 

Historical armament :

12 x 6-pdr = 72 | 36 BW

16 x 6-pdr = 96 | 48 BW

Suggestion for in-game armament :

14 x 6-pdr = 84 | 42 BW

Given that she was modified several times, i think an armament of 14 (so under max capacity) would not be unrealistic.

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Dimensions : 

80' x 25' x 15' 3/11"

Crew : 80

 

 

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1 hour ago, SteelSandwich said:

Pijl

 

Historical armament :

12 x 6-pdr = 72 | 36 BW

16 x 6-pdr = 96 | 48 BW

Suggestion for in-game armament :

14 x 6-pdr = 84 | 42 BW

Given that she was modified several times, i think an armament of 14 (so under max capacity) would not be unrealistic.

Indeed. Very nice ship ! I don't know if we can also imagine a mixed armament (4-pdr + 6-pdr) to suggest other in-game armaments, say :

  • 12 x 6-pdr + 2 x 4-pdr (40 pdr)
  • 12 x 6-pdr + 4 x 4-pdr (44 pdr)
  • 14 x 6-pdr + 2 x 4-pdr (46-pdr)
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1 hour ago, LeBoiteux said:

Shared here mainly as it is a piece of History. Thanks to our Surcouf. Our in-game cutter is beautiful btw.

Le Renard

1812

French Privateer Cutter 

armed and owned by Robert @Surcouf

Historical armament : 10 x 8-pdr (carronades) + 4 x 4-pdr (42 pdr)

Suggestion for in-game armament (gaps 1-2) :

  • 14 x 6-pdr (42 pdr)
  • 14 x 4-pdr (28 pdr)
  • 10 x 6-pdr + 4 x 4-pdr (38 pdr)

Le_Renard_(1).jpg?uselang=fr

Model_of_Renard_(1812).jpg

post-5241-0-96868800-1448214242.jpg

post-5241-0-71406000-1448214256.jpg

Modern plans of the present replica

Dimensions : 

  • Longueur : 30 m
  • Longueur de coque : 19 m
  • Maître-bau : 6 m
  • Tirant d'eau : 2,8 m
  • Deplacement : 70 t

Crew : 3-30 (historical crew : 48)

Sources :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_cutter_Renard_(1812)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Surcouf

Note that for legal and boat classification reasons, the replica is shorter than the original cutter :)

 

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11 minutes ago, Surcouf said:

Note that for legal and boat classification reasons, the replica is shorter than the original cutter :)

NIce pics !!! What is the name of the 'big blue boat' beside the cutter ?:P

And the dimensions of the original cutter were.... ?;) 

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