LeBoiteux Posted October 21, 2017 Author Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) For the Challenge #2 (a three-masted ship with an armament on gun deck : 12 x 4-pdr, 12 x 6-pdr, 14 x 6-pdr, 16 x 6-pdr, 18 x 6-pdr, 20 x 6-pdr or 22 x 6-pdr. No armed QD/fc) : La Panthère (HMS Amazon after capture) French 6-pdr light Frigate 20 guns 1744 Historical armament : 20 x 6-pdr Suggestion for in-game armament : 20 x 6-pdr (60 pds) Information : Edited October 27, 2017 by LeBoiteux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 21, 2017 Author Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) For the Challenge #2 (ship sloops) : La Palme (translation : 'The palm Leaf' or 'The Laurels') French 4-pdr Corvette 12 guns 1744 Armament (historical and in-game suggestion) : 12 x 4-pdr Broadside weight = 24 pds (= Lynx) See info : Edited October 21, 2017 by LeBoiteux 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) For the Challenge 2 (ship sloops), two French corvettes carrying 18 x 6-pdr (bw = 54 pds) : Le Chevert Privateer 18 x 6-pdr 1759 renamed HMS Pomona after capture (François Chevert was a general in Louis XV's army) http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/84013.htmlhttp://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=5861 A typical French Corvette of the American War of Independence Contribution by @Surcouf 18 x 6-pdr L'Heureuse Harmonie Contribution by @Surcouf 18 x 6-pdr Edited April 9, 2019 by LeBoiteux 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 For the Challenge 2 (ship sloops), two French corvettes carrying 20 x 6-pdr (bw = 60 pds) : Proposal for a French Corvette 1782 20 x 6-pdr Dimensions (pieds du Roi) : Length from rabbet of stern to rabbet of sternpost at the load waterline : 112' Breadth overall to outside of frame : 28' Depth in hold from top of the keel to the line of the deck at the middle line : 14' 3" Source : Boudriot, Historique de la Corvette, p. 24-25 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 Summing up of the proposals Challenge 2 : ship sloops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) Ostrich British 16 or 14 gun sloop-of-war (1777) 14 x 4-prd = 28 pds or 16 x 4-pdr = 32 pds http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=5647 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/84583.html Edited October 23, 2017 by Sella22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Sella22 said: Ostrich Historical / in-game armament : 14 or 16 (even 18 ?) x 4-pdr (28 / 32 / 36? pds) --> Challenge 1, gap 1 Edited October 23, 2017 by LeBoiteux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 looks like a trader to me, Sella22 converted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) An interesting point about her (from NA point of view) is that she seems to have been bought by the Royal Navy in Jamaica (according to 3decks). Edited October 23, 2017 by LeBoiteux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 46 minutes ago, BungeeLemming said: looks like a trader to me, Sella22 converted? If i recall correctly yes, she is a converted trader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Armstrong Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Really wonderful lines on that 1782 6pdr armed proposal! she looks very much like the Pomone/Endymion, and indeed the top signature could be Charles-Etienne Bombelle's. I also see what looks to read Latouche-Treville? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis-René_Levassor_de_Latouche_Tréville He did command the Rochefort Navy yard after the American War of Independence, so it seems somewhat plausible. Could she be the Perdrix, launched at Rochefort in 1784? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_corvette_Perdrix_(1784) or is this plan definitely just a proposal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Captain Armstrong said: Really wonderful lines on that 1782 6pdr armed proposal! she looks very much like the Pomone/Endymion, and indeed the top signature could be Charles-Etienne Bombelle's. I also see what looks to read Latouche-Treville? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis-René_Levassor_de_Latouche_Tréville He did command the Rochefort Navy yard after the American War of Independence, so it seems somewhat plausible. Could she be the Perdrix, launched at Rochefort in 1784? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_corvette_Perdrix_(1784) or is this plan definitely just a proposal? On 22/10/2017 at 2:03 PM, LeBoiteux said: For the Challenge 2 (ship sloops), two French corvettes carrying 20 x 6-pdr (bw = 60 pds) : Proposal for a French Corvette 1782 20 x 6-pdr This plan simply entitled 'Plan of a corvette carrying 20 x 6-pdr' was made by Bombelle in 1782 (certainly with Segondat-Duvernet's help), just before four of his Corvettes that carried 20 x 6-pdr were launched : La Fauvette, La Perdrix, La Favorite, L'Alouette (1783-1785). They share the same dimensions. But the plans of these corvettes haven't been kept (if I ain't mistaken). So the only link between these corvettes and the proposal is that they have been made by the same 'builder' at the same time with the same dimensions. At least, it shows us Bombell's way of imagining Corvettes carrying 20 x 6-pdr. The decoration is very pared-down to say the least. Speaking of American War of independence, this drawing, although generic and modern, is pure gold Edited October 24, 2017 by LeBoiteux 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 The waterlines of the corvette by Bombelle ... They´re pretty similiar to the lines favoured by Pestel, Forfait, Caro and Le Tellier later on. Then again, you find those in danish corvette projects in the 1750s and 1760s. Makes you wonder if and how they were influenced by each other. And the signatures on the document are the who´s who of french shipbuilding at Rochfort, Bombelle, Segondat, Chevillard and of course Latouche-Tréville. By the way, she definitely looks like the Perdrix: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83408.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) Summing up of the proposals Challenge 1 : fill in the gaps Challenge 2 : ship sloops Challenge 3 : too small but... Challenge 4 : the Challengers Plans of brigs, snows or fore-and-aft rigged ships that could challenge those currently implemented, ie carrying the same armament : 8 x 6-pdr, 12 x 4-pdr, 12 x 6-pdr, 16 x 6-pdr, 18 x 6-pdr, 20 x 6-pdr or 22 x 6-pdr. Edited October 27, 2017 by LeBoiteux 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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