Celtiberofrog

A small summary to refresh minds and explain the current bitterness: PLVS-VLTRA's made tremendous efforts of organization since the begining of the wipe with peeps spending hundreds of hours to create wealth & ships. It's true that Spain started with the huge territory we know, even if many regions were given away to Danes, Dutch and Brits, our ownership was and still is great. It's true that Brits did start with fewer territories, but they did not organize and utilize the "mutual friendly flips" soon enough. Till yesturday, Brits did not own a 3CM port, while Spain is stocking large amount of CM. Then started a large Propaganda from Brits claiming that the game is unbalanced, Brits did not have a chance to catch up with the Spanish large fleets. At this stage, things became very nasty, the hostility of Omoa was purposely spoiled by hords of Brits friendly explosion basic cutters into our 1rst rate ships... Spain put it to tribunal as "unacceptable gameplay", Dev's rejected our claims despite it was clearly durty gameplay. PLVS-VLTRA got very upset about it, hence over-reaction of "Total war" declaration. Then came this major bug...somehow a ridiculous bug that suddenly occured while Brits were grinding hostility on 2 strategical Regions. At that stage some PLVS-VLTRA players got totaly disgusted seeing that Dev's kept the 2 PB's in a clear disadvantage for Spain. Now, Clarion call just mentioned above "...Because of the bug, the devs were approached and the timers were reset for the port battles...." !!! PLVS-VLTRA have never had the priviledge to approach Dev's, it seems that some Brits players have this chance. Somehow, from an objective point of view, Brits could deserve a larger Conquest Marks revenue to fasten its economical progress, (could be the Dev's point of view), but the way all this happened is bitterly unfair for the Spanish players who made great efforts for weeks to control regions (as per the new rules & mechanics). EU server's Spanish faction is presently in a "burn out" state, many players have decided to throw the towel after Dev's saturday decision. Let's hope our players community will always try to put themself in shooes of others, to keep away from eccessive role playing that destroys any possible rational & fairness understanding. This is totaly necessary for the EU server health. Let's also hope, that our "Gods" the Dev's (that made this NA world) will keep their optimisation without destroying groups of tester/players motivation. Cheers

Pathetic...

Dear community of EU server, Further to the unfortunate bug that generated 2 uncontroled Port battles (Cartagena & Salamanca) that were grinded by British Faction, as well as further to the Dev's decision to fix the bug but keeping those 2 PB's at same time on same day; both parties, british players & Spanish players have tried to sort out this problem by themselves within the most acceptable way keeping fairplay as main objective. It has been agreed as follow: Spanish players, mostly represented by VLTRA, PLVS & BSG clans, will not defend Cartagena, so Brits can take it. and parallely Brits players, mostly represented by AHOY, DOGZ, SLRN & KINGS clans, will not show any fleet to Salamanca, so Spanish can control it. In case some ramdoms players would try to defend to attack these ports, these players will be sunk by the rightfull actors of this agreement. I personally cheer up the good will from both sides players that has permitted to settle this gentleman agreement. I also willingly involve my true word (on behalf of the mentioned Spanish clans) to respect this agreement. Long live our community.

ok, gi'me the adress if you do not mind. Thx

Plz confirm who could talk here on behalf of Brits Faction Thx

Batman, The case here is totaly special, these are 2 PB's due to a BUG.

Sure Clarion, But here is a ponctual issue related to 2 PB's due to a BUG. Let's talk somewhere else about war issues afterwards.

Thx for those comments, but we are here talking about a bug with uncontroled consequencies, nothing related with the Total War. We may expect, let say "a technical solution" from a group of players to preserve fairness in front of the provisional broken mechanic

Sailors & captains from British Faction, We must here decide what type of compromise Brits & Spanish could agree to These 2 PB's are an ERROR as per normal mechanics of our Server, hence Dev's stated : "...Captains, this is a bug, will be fixed as soon as possible..." So, for the sake of our server health & mood, we would appreciate some suggestiosn to sort out fairly this "accident". Both PB's can be faugth with following possible issues: ==> Salamanca could give new 1CM per players to Spanish (if it is won by defenders) ==> Cartagena could give new 3CM per players to Brits (if it is won by attackers) Thank you for your here below possible proposals

Please gents, British sailors & captains, discuss it together, be objective in front of this major bug, and offer what best compromise you could do to take less (unfair) advantage possible out of this occurance. Hope you realise the importance of this issue with the consequencies it could entail in our EU server. Thank you for your understanding Frog

Dev's have decided !! The PB's are not canceled, furthermore, both PB's are kept for today and at same time... rational & fair ?... hopeless Now, only good will players agreement can sort this problem out.

Peter, We could have spent hours to drop hostility had the server worked within "normal" mechanics.

Please, this is a MAJOR BUG, it must be discussed constructively and OBJECTIVELY. According to what'll happen after today's maintenance, we'll hopefully be able to find a "reasonable" solution today in order not to jeopardize the integrity & motivation of our current EU server community.

As explained above A big bug appears tonight. That bug (sudden nightflip ) has enabled the Faction we are at war to flip & set a PB within 24h, like if suddenly the EU server became GLOBAL server. Question: will this bug be corrected during today's maintenance ? - if yes, Dev's should cancel those 2 bugged PB's - if not, we kindly ask the Faction that has set these 2 PB's NOT TO USE THAT BUG and do not show at these PB's. Thank you for keeping rational & fair this beta Game with a community respecting a minimum of gentleman attitude. Cheers Frog

The current testing is revealing that current features are far too TIME CONSUMING Many issues are concerned by this and we clearly experiment DEMOTIVATION of occasional players. Spanish Faction is loosing many players for the last few weeks... Only NA elitist and fanatics will remain, not ideal for further testing (again!)

Spain Verenigde-Provincien: Friendly France: Friendly United States: Cooperation agreement with NWTC, EN, FrCxn, 15MEU clans Great Britain: War Denmark-Norge: Friendly Sverige: Friendly - (recent PVP tension...) Pirates: War, except Cooperation agreement with SORRY, GAF, OFF, ENIMA clans

EU server is pretty healthy today, so Global trollers plz bugger off. Nation Diplomacy is not possible, let's consider clan to clan relationships. Brits are divided with many new comers, so let them get organized. I suggest all wealthy clans and allied clans to be responsible of the strategical stream of the EU server, only aiming for balancing the different strengthes. So Danes & Sweeds clans, as well as Pirates & Spanish clans, we should fight each other ! let's re-balance our server and give some time to Brits, French & USA to get stronger meanwhile.

To get more dynamism between enemy Lords: 1) Pensions for holding a region could be limited to 10 or 15 days max. 2) Cancel the friendly port fliping possibility: ==> CM earned depends on damage level inflicted by fleets in PB's, even with fleet extra rewards when high level damages (ex: damages = fleet kills ratio / BR ratio), forts & towers kills do not generate rewards or points to attacker side. ==> Defenders fleet can earn PVP Marks when loosing PB depending to same ratios results, forts & towers inflicted damages included. ==> Empty port battles do not generate CM to winners, only region ownership. 3) Cancel hostility system, re-implement flag system, limited to 2 flags per nation per day (Flag cost in gold or CM or war supplies, second flag much more expensive). Flags available only for adjacent foreign regions. Capturing a flag is rewarded. 4) Re-implement Alliance system with 1 ally max for 15 days max followed by 15 days cooldown with same nation. 5) Crafting should be cheaper in CM & PVP Marks, as well as materials easier to collect (ex: re-implement free towns deliveries), so smaller clan have better chance to build ships. 6) Re-implement Teleport to Capital with same cooldown.

well played gents

Amen !!

Omoa hostilities generated today with following occurance. A heavy Spanish fleet tagging AI's to increase hostilities, as per rules, when Brits basic cutters being purposely in the tagging area get vacuumed into the PVE battle. These basic cutters shoot each other in order to set fire, then get close to heavy ships to explode... When talking to these Brits players, they are justifying themself with the following reasons: "... - you are screwing us - we have no decent ships - we got fire bombed every night at KPR and devs said you should do it too. - let us get big ships and we will fight - we always do - if a player has no chance to get a decent ship or fleet - why should you enjoy it - i have well over 5000 hours and I want a fair game ..." How could some players blame others (and purposely exploit mechanics) just because they cannot craft ships ? Why some organized clan should be gilty because other clans cannot be efficient enough to craft fleets ? Where is the problem here ? NA economy that is too hard or NA community that includes frustrated gamers that cannot stand being overruled by other players? maybe both ... Anyway, this is pityfull indeed.

We are just starting this new wipe phase. After a while, the ships market will settle with reasonable prices. It's just question of offer Vs demand balance (today offers are low)

Hello Mear O Breannen, VLTRA clan from Spanish crown would be glad to meet you, let us know your TS adress here's ours: 195.4.16.14:10230 Our diplo Senhor Lenhador will be available for you. (same for any clan who's looking for possible cooperation)

Precisely, Brits were the most populated and they managed to defend (control) victoriously. Nevertheless, today we may emphasize on the fact that as one day attacks are limited to 3 max, there should reasonably exist some restrictions for one day max defences.