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Currently, the entire collection of in-game fifth-rates are true sailing frigates - long, low ships with most of their armament concentrated in a single gun deck. The Renomee seen in game is one of the earliest examples of this type of ship; for the first half of the 1670-1830 time frame the typical fifth-rate or equivalent ship was a compact two-decker, shorter and more upright than later frigates. These ships tended to have 22 guns or fewer on each gun deck and minimal armament on the upper works of the ship, and were given a range of contemporary labels as broad as just 'ship' to the more descriptive French labels like fregate a deux batteries or frigate-vaisseux de premiere ordre. As an example of the type - HMS Rainbow. HMS Rainbow was built after Renomee and her capture; by the time she was launched, she was unfashionable and obsolescent. Rainbow had a perfectly respectable career and for whichever reason was kept in service while the other ships of the 1745 Establishment group of 44-gun ships was broken up or sold out of service; after HMS Crown was broken up in 1770, Rainbow was the last of her class. Small two-deckers like Rainbow were much cheaper to keep on station than powerful ships of the line and would be more powerful than single-deck frigates for a little while longer, so Rainbow was kept occupied and there was even a small resurgence in two-decker fifth-rates with new ships of the Roebuck-class and HMS Serapis being ordered. In one of the larger naval battles of the American War of Independence, Rainbow and HMS Flora with the brig HMS Victor encountered two frigates of the Continental Navy, Boston and Hancock and the captured British frigate Fox - the elderly two-decker was able to pursue the two American ships and then the Hancock when they separated for thirty-nine hours, eventually coming up on Hancock and trading broadsides until the American ship surrendered. In 1782, Rainbow was chosen as the platform for an experimental armament of carronades, which had previously been sold to merchant ships and privateers and not found favour with naval authorities. Thoroughly obsolete by design and thirty-five years old, Rainbow encountered L'Hebe, recently-launched and the first of her class, in the English Channel. L'Hebe's captain became alarmed when he realised the shot fired from Rainbow's bow chasers were 32-pounder balls, reckoning that Rainbow was a disguised ship of the line. On Rainbow's first broadside, a 68-pound cannonball from her main battery carried away Hebe's foremast while another destroyed the helm; Hebe's captain ordered one broadside fired so as not to disgrace the flag before surrendering. Hebe had an extended career in British service, and the state-of-the-art ship was the basis of the Leda-class frigates of which the in-game Trincomalee is an example. Carronades became a typical part of the armament on the Royal Navy's ships after Rainbow's duel, though all-carronade armaments were only used on marginal ships that would not have had adequate armament otherwise. Rainbow herself was placed in ordinary in 1784 and eventually sold out of service in 1802. Her armament varied over her career between 44 and 48 guns. Her original rating reflected an armament of 20x18 pounders, 20x9pounders, and 4x6 pounders on her quarterdeck. Following repairs and recommissioning in 1762 her armament was 20x18 pounders, 22x9 pounders, and 2x6 pounders on her forecastle. When she was armed with carronades she carried 20x68 pounders, 22x42 pounders, and 6x32 pounders with both the forecastle and quarterdeck armed. Records of both the Hancock and Hebe incidents refer to her firing bow chasers, while the plan of her sister ship America shows gun ports at the level of her main battery below the stern gallery. What might she be in-game? A bruiser. A slower and less agile ship the single-deck frigates, but with decent firepower - a broadside of 280-300 pounds - and durability reflecting the additional enclosed deck and her mass and structure being condensed in a shorter ship (She's 17 or 18 feet shorter than Trincomalee). A way for lower-ranked captains to experience the sailing and fighting style of later ships of the line, and at higher levels a tank among frigates and a watchdog and tagger for ships of the line. If, like other fifth-rates, she had the option of an all-carronade armament, the equivalence between carronade and cannon weights is different in game, and the 68/42/32-pounder setup would be more likely to find expression in a 32-42/32/18-24 pounder setup. Yes, Rainbow is a British ship, but I've been able to find plenty of information about her along with plans and models of her sisters and her career as an old-style two-decker that served in the time dominated by single-deck sail frigates is interesting. There are a whole heap of intermediate two-deckers from other nations but I've largely only been able to find minimal information for them - mostly names, service dates, and career highlights with a sort of two out of three of armament, measurements, and crew complement and without models, plans, or art of them. So while I've opened with Rainbow as an example, I invite anyone to discuss any intermediate two-deckers or demi-batteries that would match the in-game fifth rate.

'Dauphine Royal' Ship Stats http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=1879 More Pictures Dauphin Royal was a 104-gun ship of the line of the French Navy. She took part in the Battle of Beachy Head under admiral Tourville. She was decommissioned in 1698 or 1699, and broken up in 1700. Feel free to add more history or ship pictures. Ship Plans

Nau "Rainha de Portugal" Was built in 1791 in Navy's shipyard in Lisbon by Torcato José Clavina. Saw militar service until ~1834, after that was served as hospital ship until ~1848. She helped the royal british navy (Admiral Jonh Jervis and Admiral Horatio Nelson) against france in the napoleonic war aswell as transporting the royal Portuguese family to Brazil in 1808. Armament: Lower Gun Deck, 30 cannons (36lbs) Upper Gun Deck, 32 cannons (24lbs) Quarted Deck, 18 cannons (12lbs) a Dimensions: Lenght 55.27 m Beam 14.48 m Depth of hold 10.36 m Displacement 3000 tons ~669 men (couldn't find the exact number of sailors and soldiers ) Plans: Your thoughts?

Sofia Magdalena Please help find more info on this ship. Ship Plan

'Hollandia' Launched 1665 Dimensions: length 165 (Dutch) feet, with 41¾ feet, depth 15¼ feet en 82 guns. History: ordered by the admiralty of Amsterdam and build at Amsterdam’s admiralty dockyard as part of a 24-ship program since a new war with England was looming on the horizon. The ‘Hollandia’ was the Republics largest warship in 1665 and acted as flagship for the admirals de Ruyter, Tromp, van der Zaan, de Haan, Sweers en van Stirum. The ship took part in the following sea battles: - Four Days Battle - St. James's Day Battle - Raid on the Medway - First Battle of Schooneveld - Second Battle of Schooneveld - Battle of Texel After the Third Anglo-Dutch War ended the ship was laid up at Amsterdam until 1683. She then took part in the Voyage to Gothenburg but on the way back she found herself in a terrible storm which was so severe that she lost her beak head and bowsprit and finally her masts had to be cut. The stern began to come loose and slowly the ship began falling apart. Because they fired distress signals the entire crew was finally able to leave the ship safely. Moments later the only eighteen year old ship with her glorious career sank to the bottom of the sea near the coast of the north of the Republic.

Here is a large collection of early 50 gun frigates and 4th Rate ships. I will be adding more plans soon! Enjoy.

'Prins Friso' History The ship of the line 'Prins Friso' carried 50 guns. Length 144 foot, breadth 42 foot, depth in hold 14,5 foot (all amsterdamse voet). The ship was build from 1728 to 1730 on the Admirality shipyard in Harlingen. The construction was pre-aproved by the Admirality of Amsterdam, due to the wish to consult the English shipwright Thomas Davis regarding construction. The wood needed was bought and fabricated in Amsterdam and then transported to Friesland. Characteristics Dutch Republic Operator Admiralty of Friesland Launched 1730 How acquired Purpose Build Shipyard Harlingen Navy Yard Constructor Thomas Davis Category Fourth Rate Rate Fourth Charter (Dutch rating) Ship Type Ship of the Line Guns 50 Note. Ship was already mentioned on this forum, but never in details.

'L'Ambitieux' A French 80 guns battleship from 1680, the flagship of the Chevalier de Turville and one of the finest and most beautiful ships of the French Crown of the XVII century. Plans: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jf7sjppd638y4w8/AABXyEt0SgNIyxxfR9vI4sY_a?dl=0

La Couronne Ships History : La Couronne was an emblematic flagship of the French Navy built in 1636 by Cardinal de Richelieu. She was built in accordance to Richelieu's plans to renew the French Navy, after a series of ships built by the Dutch. The contraction was overseen by the famous carpenter Charles Morieur, from Dieppe. She was one of the most advanced vessels of her time. She was equipped with 68 heavy guns, 8 firing to the bow and 8 to the aft, an unusual feature until Dupuy de Lôme redesigned naval artillery. The Couronne took part in the siege of Hondarribia in 1638, and another expedition to Spain in 1639 under Henri de Sourdis. http://www.smcars.net/threads/la-couronne-detail-1636.18696/ http://www.radekshipmodels.cz/cz/plany-lodi/la-couronne-plan http://www.sailboatmodel.info/la_couronne_1636/index.php?langue=en Plans:

just found a book about the Danish ship of the line Holsten. she was build between 1769 and 1772 by F.M Krabbe at Nyholm, Copenhagen she was armed with 60 guns ( 24 24pd on lower gundeck, 24 12pd on main gundeck, and 12 8pd on wether deck) and had a crew of 470 + a marine compliment of 100 as soon as I can get a good scan of the plans I will add the to the post

HMS Leopard was a 50-gun fourth rate ship of the line of the Royal Navy, built at Rotherhithe and launched on 15 March 1703.[1] Leopard underwent a rebuild according to the 1719 Establishment at Woolwich, and was relaunched on 18 April 1721. Leopard served until 1739, when she was broken up. Building HMS Leaopard http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3097-hms-leopard-by-bluto-50-gun-ship-1790-180-pob-1790/

I've been digging a bit and i have found some blueprints of the HMS Prince 98-gun second rate ship of the line that was launched on 4th of July 1788. It is a very pretty ship and it is a 2nd rate which we only have 1 of so far. Here are some plans: Orlop plan: Lower gundeck plan: Middle gundeck plan: Upper gundeck plan: Quarterdeck and forecastle plan: Inboard profile plan: Sheer plan and lines: Model: Now, I am not a historian or anything, but this seems like a cool ship and I haven't seen it with its plans in this forum.(might be that I missed it) Armament: 98 guns: Gundeck: 28 × 32 pdrs Middle gundeck: 30 × 18 pdrs Upper gundeck: 30 × 12 pdrs Quarterdeck: 8 × 12 pdrs Forecastle: 2 × 12 pdrs Some sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Prince_(1788)& http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=18598.0 Share your opinions!

Zakharii i Elisavet/Захарий и Елисавет Russian First Rate 1745 100 guns Article: Info: http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=10522 Zakharii i Elisavet Russian 3rd Rate 1795 74 guns Info:http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=10663 Source(in Russian): http://alternathistory.com/g-satskii-delo-o-gladkopalubnykh-lineinykh-korablyakh-katasanova Every piece of info is welcome

Came across these two beauties that have plans with their stern and bow details! It would be a shame not to share them. I'm surprised that nobody has posted them till now. Le Terrible 78 guns 1739 Info: http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=2162 http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=7098 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81165.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Terrible_(1747) Le Monarque 74 guns 1747 Info: http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=2109 http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=5436 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81046.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81045.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Monarch_(1747) Maybe we could turn this thread into a French 3rd Rate thread?

'Ville de Paris'

Le Francois 1683 (French 5th rate) Build thread: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6541-le-francois-1683-5th-class-vessels/ Model: Plans:

Le Fleuron 1729 3rd rate Le Fleuron, a 64-gun ship of the line 3rd rate (vaisseau de 64 canons), was built according to plans by naval architect Blaise Ollivier who also together with his father, Joseph, a naval architect as well, conducted and surveyed the construction of the ship in Brest 1729-32. Le Fleuron is an excellent example of the French naval architecture school at the beginning of the 18th century which was not yet influenced by the English and Dutch naval schools. Le Fleuron was one of the finest ships in Louis XV's navy and received the following testimonial (among others): " all those who have served on Le Fleuron or seen her sailing, regard her as the perfect ship" and it was often the fastest ship in the squadron. The ship served in the French navy until 1745 when it burned at the roadstead of Brest. In active service Le Fleuron participated in several missions to, among other places, North America, Guinea and notably three trips to the Baltic Sea. Le Fleuron was 145 feet (French) 8 inches (47,20m) long; 39 feet 4 inches (12,73m) large and 18 feet 2 inches (5,88m) moulded depth. In time of peace Le Fleuron was armed with 60 guns; 24 24-pounder iron guns on the lower deck; 26 12-pounder iron guns on the main deck; and 10 6-pounder iron guns on the forecastle and quarterdeck (the armament changed over time and on my model it is somewhat different from the description presented here). Le Fleuron had a total crew of 450-500 men depending on its mission. Ship Plans in tif format: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2vbzer4yykskt48/AAAr9CNt5BcYRvvO8trJ7h7Ma?dl=0 Model:

HMS Portland HMS Portland was a 50-gun fourth rate ship of the line of the Royal Navy, launched at Woolwich Dockyard on 28 March 1693. She was rebuilt according to the 1719 Establishment at Portsmouth, and was relaunched on 25 February 1723. On 17 March 1709, Portland recaptured Coventry, which the 54-gun Auguste and the 54-gun Jason (1704) had captured in September 1704. Portland was broken up in 1743

Wasa (Vasa) 1628 Vasa (or Wasa) is a Swedish warship built between 1626 and 1628. The ship foundered and sank after sailing about 1,300 m (1,400 yd) into her maiden voyageon 10 August 1628. She fell into obscurity after most of her valuable bronze cannons were salvaged in the 17th century until she was located again in the late 1950s in a busy shipping lane just outside the Stockholm harbor. Salvaged with a largely intact hull in 1961, she was housed in a temporary museum called Wasavarvet ("The Wasa Shipyard") until 1988 and then moved to the Vasa Museum in Stockholm. The ship is one of Sweden's most popular tourist attractions and has been seen by over 29 million visitors since 1961. Since her recovery, Vasa has become a widely recognized symbol of the Swedish "great power period" and is today a de facto standard in the media and among Swedes for evaluating the historical importance of shipwrecks. The ship was built on the orders of the King of Sweden Gustavus Adolphus as part of the military expansion he initiated in a war with Poland-Lithuania (1621–1629). She was constructed at the navy yard in Stockholm under a contract with private entrepreneurs in 1626–1627 and armed primarily with bronze cannons cast in Stockholm specifically for the ship. Richly decorated as a symbol of the king's ambitions for Sweden and himself, upon completion she was one of the most powerfully armed vessels in the world. However, Vasa was dangerously unstable due to too much weight in the upper structure of the hull. Despite this lack of stability she was ordered to sea and foundered only a few minutes after encountering a wind stronger than a breeze. The order to sail was the result of a combination of factors. The king, who was leading the army in Poland at the time of her maiden voyage, was impatient to see her take up her station as flagship of the reserve squadron at Älvsnabben in the Stockholm Archipelago. At the same time the king's subordinates lacked the political courage to openly discuss the ship's structural problems or to have the maiden voyage postponed. An inquiry was organized by the Swedish Privy Council to find those responsible for the disaster, but in the end no one was punished for the fiasco. During the 1961 recovery, thousands of artifacts and the remains of at least 15 people were found in and around the Vasa's hull by marine archaeologists. Among the many items found were clothing, weapons, cannons, tools, coins, cutlery, food, drink and six of the ten sails. The artifacts and the ship herself have provided scholars with invaluable insights into details of naval warfare, shipbuilding techniques and everyday life in early 17th-century Sweden.

Konung Karl built in 1694 built by Charles Sheldon at the Karlskrona shipyard. named after King Carl, She was 54m (177ft) in length at the waterline and weighed in at 2,730 tons. she was armed with 108 cannons and complemented a crew of 850. She remained in service for a suprising 77 years before being broken up do to decay. She served as the flagship for Hans Wachtmeister who served under Charles XI and Charles XII. She would be later up-gunned to 120 in 1714 and then rebuilt to 100 in 1723-4 although its suggested sometime later on she was again reduced to either 96 or 90. Armarment: 10 36-pounders 22 24-pounders 30 18-pounders 28 8-pounders 14 4-pounders +4 unlisted chasers Broadside Weight: 854 Pounds \ A painting giving the Port, Stern and Bow view of the ship Fixed the Model Picture I couldent find any blueprints, but I havent done a Huge ammount of digging for them yet. the Swedish Maratime Museum has thousands of documents that arnt listed online, so its alteast worth investigating. Refrence: http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=10844 http://www.sjohistoriska.se/en/Collections/Archives/ http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konung_Karl_%281694%29

'Vanguard' I was finally able to find plans for my favorite ship. Enjoy! P.S will try to get her in game in the near future when Kickstarter opens up. HMS Vanguard was a 74-gun third-rate ship of the line of the Royal Navy, launched on 6 March 1787 at Deptford. She was the sixth vessel to bear the name. In December 1797, Captain Edward Berry was appointed flag captain, flying Rear Admiral Sir Horatio Nelson's flag. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Vanguard_(1787) Plans

not sure is this has been posted yet sorry if it has. ----------------------------- The HMS St. Lawrence was a 112 gun first rate ship of the line launched on 10 September 1814 from the Kingston Royal Naval Dockyard. She was the only Royal Navy ship of the line ever to be launched and operated entirely in fresh water. how ever powerful she was as the largest warship on the great lakes, because of her sheer size and the danger she posed she never saw action as the U.S. fleet was too worried of losing their ships to her and was promptly decommissioned in 1832. She was the flagship of Sir James Lucas Yeo. Plans Length : 191 ft 2 in / 58.27 m to the tip of the gun deck Beam : 52 ft 6 in / 16.00 m Complement: 700 officers and men Armament: gun deck: 28 x 32 pdrs, 4 x 24 pdrs, 2 x 68 pdr carronades (for sake of game I'd just make them all 32 pdrs) Middle: 36 x 24 pdrs Upper gun deck: 32 x 32 pdrs Another plan Model While nothing special, she would add more variety to the game.

Beautiful Spanish 4th rate. Similar ships with more guns.

I finally got around to posting the only ship of the line I will personally champion. Ladies, gentlemen, bastards, and wenches, I present to you: USS America Laid Down: May 1777 Launched: November 5, 1782 Builder: Colonel James Hackett Admiralty Model by: Robert Bruckner General Characteristics: Country of Origin: United States/13 Colonies Operators: United States, France Type: Ship of the Line Guns: 74 Crew: 626 Length: 182.5ft (55.63m) Beam: 50.5ft (15.39m) Draught: 23ft (7.01m) Displacement: 2,014 tons Speed: 12 knots Armament: 30 x 18-pounder guns 30 x 12-pounder guns 14 x 9-pounder guns (Source) Plans: History: There is, historically, very little information to be gleaned about the nation's very first ship of the line, other than what is readily available on Wikipedia and other public sources. The plans were obtained from Howard Chapelle's "The American Sailing Navy", and are available in my pinned thread American Ship Collection along with other ship drafts belonging to the Continental and American Navies. I'm going to extrapolate on why the armament of the USS America was so light compared to contemporary third rates of the era. I had given the idea in a previous post in the aforementioned thread that the guns for the USS America were probably obtained from the Continental Army after there was no longer a need for it (indeed the Continental Navy was shortly disbanded after the war and some of her armament may have come from ships that were sold off). It seemed my earlier hypothesis was a bit incorrect, as I assumed the guns available to the Continental Army were not much larger than 18-pounder guns. But I do believe that most of her armament, came from the Army, and not other ships in the Navy, though I have no sources to prove this. Little is gleaned of her history and armament after she was transferred to France. I wish her history was a bit more fleshed out and glorious than a trans-atlantic voyage to serve in the French Navy as a gift to replace the loss of Magnifique. Although there are other American ships of the line with longer service in the United States Navy that followed, I feel that their designs would be more out of place than the nation's first large warship. If the devs considered giving the US player base a ship of the line, I feel there is no better proposal.

i would love to see HMS Temeraire,it was Lord Nelson's favourite ship.