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'Algésiras' 1804 (With Plans)
Haratik posted a topic in Ships of the lineSource Was looking through the thread (novo navios) that was posted earlier today, and came across this Téméraire class vessel. While she was a member of the overall class design, she was notably one of two ships (designated the Suffren class) that was built to a shorter design (65cm shorter by length) to meet the demands of then Minister of the Navy Pierre-Alexandre-Laurent Forfait. Once he left office, there were no further ships built to this design. Comparison of the Algésiras to the Téméraire: Algésiras: Displacement: 2,900 tonnes Length: 55.87 m (183 ft 4 in) (172 French feet) Beam: 14.90 m (48 ft 11 in) (44' 6") Draught: 7.26 m (23 ft 10 in) (22 French feet) Propulsion: Up to 2485 m² of sails Complement: 3 officers + 690 men Armament: 74 guns: 28 × 36-pounder (16 kg) 30 × 24-pounder (11 kg) 16 × 8-pounder (3.6 kg) 4 × 36-pounder (16 kg) carronades Téméraire: Displacement: 1966 tonnes 3260 tonnes fully loaded Length: 55.87 metres (183.3 ft) (172 pied) Beam: 14.90 metres (48 ft 11 in) Draught: 7.26 metres (23.8 ft) (22 pied) Propulsion: Up to 2,485 m2 (26,750 sq ft) of sails Armament: 74 guns: Lower gundeck: 28 × 36-pounder long guns Upper gundeck: 30 × 18-pounder long guns Forecastle and Quarter deck: 16 × 8-pounder long guns 4 × 36-pounder carronades Comparison of the Algésiras to a Téméraire class ship of comparative launch date: Algésiras: Displacement: 2,900 tonnes Length: 55.87 m (183 ft 4 in) (172 French feet) Beam: 14.90 m (48 ft 11 in) (44' 6") Draught: 7.26 m (23 ft 10 in) (22 French feet) Propulsion: Up to 2485 m² of sails Complement: 3 officers + 690 men Armament: 74 guns: 28 × 36-pounder (16 kg) 30 × 24-pounder (11 kg) 16 × 8-pounder (3.6 kg) 4 × 36-pounder (16 kg) carronades Lion: Displacement: 2,966 tonnes 5,260 tonnes fully loaded Length: 55.87 metres (183.3 ft) (172 pied) Beam: 14.90 metres (48 ft 11 in) Draught: 7.26 metres (23.8 ft) (22 pied) Propulsion: Up to 2,485 m2 (26,750 sq ft) of sails Armament: 74 guns: Lower gundeck: 28 × 36-pounder long guns Upper gundeck: 30 × 18-pounder long guns Forecastle and Quarter deck: 16 × 8-pounder long guns 4 × 36-pounder carronades Algésiras saw a fairly eventful career, being present at Trafalgar with the French fleet a year after construction, where she was in the heart of the fighting, engaging the HMS Tonnant with the Pluton and the San Juan Nepomuceno. She surrendered to the Tonnant but during the storm after the battle, her crew rose up against the British prize crew and sailed her to Cadiz, where she would be captured along with the rest of the Rosily Squadron by the Spanish in 1808.
'Trekh Sviatitelei' 1810 (With Plans)
Haratik posted a topic in Ships of the lineSource: 3decks: Trekh Sviatitelei (translated as "Three Saints") was a Russian 74 gun two decker built in 1810 at the shipyard in St Petersburg. She had a relatively uneventful career and her only claim to fame, or rather infamy, was when she was sold to the Spanish, who, in desperate need for line ships after the events of the Napoleonic War, reached out to Russia for ships. She, along with her sister ship Neptunus, and three ships of the Selafail class of 74's were sold to Spain in what became known as the "Treaty of Madrid in 1817". According to the article, the Russian ships of the line were in such appalling condition that they had to be dismantled within 5 years of being acquired, though the guns were in good shape and used elsewhere in the Spanish Navy. More on this particular incident can be found within the source article. Refer to 3decks link for dimensions and armament.
'America' American 3rd rate (1782)
Haratik posted a topic in Ships of the lineI finally got around to posting the only ship of the line I will personally champion. Ladies, gentlemen, bastards, and wenches, I present to you: USS America Laid Down: May 1777 Launched: November 5, 1782 Builder: Colonel James Hackett Admiralty Model by: Robert Bruckner General Characteristics: Country of Origin: United States/13 Colonies Operators: United States, France Type: Ship of the Line Guns: 74 Crew: 626 Length: 182.5ft (55.63m) Beam: 50.5ft (15.39m) Draught: 23ft (7.01m) Displacement: 2,014 tons Speed: 12 knots Armament: 30 x 18-pounder guns 30 x 12-pounder guns 14 x 9-pounder guns (Source) Plans: History: There is, historically, very little information to be gleaned about the nation's very first ship of the line, other than what is readily available on Wikipedia and other public sources. The plans were obtained from Howard Chapelle's "The American Sailing Navy", and are available in my pinned thread American Ship Collection along with other ship drafts belonging to the Continental and American Navies. I'm going to extrapolate on why the armament of the USS America was so light compared to contemporary third rates of the era. I had given the idea in a previous post in the aforementioned thread that the guns for the USS America were probably obtained from the Continental Army after there was no longer a need for it (indeed the Continental Navy was shortly disbanded after the war and some of her armament may have come from ships that were sold off). It seemed my earlier hypothesis was a bit incorrect, as I assumed the guns available to the Continental Army were not much larger than 18-pounder guns. But I do believe that most of her armament, came from the Army, and not other ships in the Navy, though I have no sources to prove this. Little is gleaned of her history and armament after she was transferred to France. I wish her history was a bit more fleshed out and glorious than a trans-atlantic voyage to serve in the French Navy as a gift to replace the loss of Magnifique. Although there are other American ships of the line with longer service in the United States Navy that followed, I feel that their designs would be more out of place than the nation's first large warship. If the devs considered giving the US player base a ship of the line, I feel there is no better proposal.