Ships you want to see in-game

[Brigand]

I would like for this game to include a large choice in smaller ships, the true workhorses of the seas. I would especially love to see a nice brigantine; typically a bit smaller than a brig, but larger than a schooner. Brigantines where known for their versatility and good sailing characteristics.

 

However, an image usually does more to inspire the mind than many words:

 

A french brigantine of around 120 tons. Build as a packet boat converted to serve as a privateer, with twelve french 6-pounders and two Perriers à boîte.

 

I can provide more detailed plans of the above vessel if anyone is interested.

 

Cheers

[Ned Loe]

Found this beautiful ship model here:

 

http://www.prdobson.com/project/hms-agamemnon-1781/1/

 

HMS Agamemnon (1781)

 

[Ned Loe]

HMS Captain 1787

 

http://www.prdobson.com/project/canada-class-hms-captain/

 

[Ned Loe]

HMS Britannia 1762

 

http://www.prdobson.com/project/hms-britannia-1762/update/376/

 

[Ned Loe]

HMS Sweep-Stakes (1708)

 

http://www.prdobson.com/project/hms-sweep-stakes-1708/update/311/

 

[Ned Loe]

HMS Cerberus

 

http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/hms-cerberus-british-frigate-3d-model/445047

[Ned Loe]

http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-boat-vessel-model/733591

 

[Ned Loe]

Huge source of ships!

 

http://www.turbosquid.com/Search/3D-Models/Watercraft/Military/Historic

[Johny Reb]

Ive been looking through ships so I could contribute to this thread. I like ships with historical context so my first suggestion would be a sloop-of-war called "Ranger". A Continental (american) Naval Sloop that was Captained by the famous John Paul Jones was responsible for the taking of at least 21 prizes, a raid on an english town, and an attempted raid to capture a british politician. The sad thing about this suggestion though is that there are no surviving plans or sketches of the ship. Only descriptions remain so the modeling may be difficult.

It had three masts which were all square rigged with royals, top gallants and a full set of studding sails.

It was painted black with a broad yellow stripe and masthead.

110' long

97'2" @ gundeck

77'9" Keel

27;8" Beam

12' depth of hold.

140 men

18 X 6 lbs.

This ship was basically a very small frigate.

Everyone likes to suggest the frigates and ships of the line. I hope this gives ideas for lower "tier" ships

Ill keep looking for more info

[Oneironz]

I would like to see D.Fernando II, a portuguese frigate that is currently fully restored and in dry dock.

 

   

 

The frigate could employ 50 cannons, 28 in the deck and 22 on the deck. Although it never took the full load since the ship was never used in battle, mainly for cargo transport and prisioners from Portugal to India and back.

 

 

Although I can't seem to find any ship plans, that's a major difficulty in getting this ship into the game :/

 

I would so enjoy seeing this amazing ship in-game!

[Brigand]

I'm with Johny Reb with regard to the need for smaller/lower tier ships!

 

I'm not sure that a 97'2'' length of gundeck counts as small, the listed armament is certainly not overly heavy. What years was the Ranger active?

[Johny Reb]

The Ranger was in active service with the Continental forces between 1777-1780. She was captured by the British in 1780 and put into service but decommissioned in 1781.

 

I guess I dont really know the average legnth of a standard frigate. I just assumed it was considered small because it was considered a sloop-of-war even though it had three masts and also that it had very light guns. I've also read it could be called a Corvette. It sounds like it is different then a frigate in that all its guns are on one deck

 

The pic attatched is considered the most accurate model of the Ranger but no one knows for sure if thats true.

 

The ship is also reported to have a figurehead of a rifleman

[Thomas Blackwell]

I too have some suggestions!

 

There have been a lot of mid-large ships suggested, so I thought I would list a few of the smaller, more nimble vessels. Some of the sloops and schooners below may work well as beginner ships, and I shall add more to this list as and when I find the plans. (None of the below plans/artwork are my own, and each belongs to it's respected artist/owner)

 

Royal Navy:

 

Brig-Sloop

 

HMS Beagle:

1820-1845 // 6-10 Guns

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/HMS_Beagle_1832_longitudinal_section.jpg

http://physics.scsu.edu/~dscott/evol/i/HMSBeagle.jpg

http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot/ships/ships-uk/hms-beagle-2.png

 

HMS Recruit: 

1806-1822 // 18-guns

 

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad255/stuartwaters/cruizer_class_brig_sloop_106.jpg

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad255/stuartwaters/cruizerclassbrig-sloop.jpg

 

 

Topsail Schooner

 

HMS Pickle:

1801-1808 // 8-10 Guns

 

http://www.oldbermuda.com/pics/IMG_7692a.jpg

http://www.site-fusion.co.uk/files/writeable/uploads/webfusion36400/image/linedrawingofpickle.gif

 

HMS Halifax:

1765-1775 // 6 Guns // 8-12 Swivels

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/HMS_Halifax_Draught_1c.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cypj_RGGqC0/Tcar6-BPO7I/AAAAAAAAAi0/SHAaKEwvzZc/s1600/mv37.jpg

 

 

Brig

 

HMS Speedy:

1782-1807 // 14 Guns // 12 Swivels

 

http://www.ctbasses.com/misc/BruceTrinque/WSpeedy.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/HMS_Speedy.jpg

 

 

Snow

 

HMS Ontario: ^{(Added 9 January 2014)}

May 1780 - Oct 1780 // 22 Guns

 

http://www.brethrenofthegreatlakes.com/inthenews/shipwrecks/129-original-hmsontarioupperdeck02.jpg

http://www.shipwreckworld.com/media/article/images/2008/06/13/118-original-hmsontarioadmiraltydrawing02.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/4616678680_4bfeb677bc_o.jpg

[Oneironz]

The HMS Speedy's first image link shows a ship that makes me remember the Van Hoorn, a newbie ship in Potbs. It's a very cool model!

[Thomas Blackwell]

The HMS Speedy's first image link shows a ship that makes me remember the Van Hoorn, a newbie ship in Potbs. It's a very cool model!

 

I sailed the Van Hoorn for a really long time when I was just starting out in PoTBS and found it to be a very cool ship indeed! The van Hoorn I believe was modeled after a snow, whereas the Speedy was a brig. I'm not sure if the Speedy's design was implemented into PoTBS or not, but would have loved to be able to sail her!

 

Edit: The closest thing to Speedy I could find on the PoTBS Wiki was the Lexington Brig. Though there was a USS Lexington in 1776, she was a brigantine and her lines were completely different. 

[Oneironz]

I sailed the Van Hoorn for a really long time when I was just starting out in PoTBS and found it to be a very cool ship indeed! The van Hoorn I believe was modeled after a snow, whereas the Speedy was a brig. I'm not sure if the Speedy's design was implemented into PoTBS or not, but would have loved to be able to sail her!

 

Edit: The closest thing to Speedy I could find on the PoTBS Wiki was the Lexington Brig. Though there was a USS Lexington in 1776, she was a brigantine and her lines were completely different. 

 

Hmm, the Speedy's design isn't in Potbs, the ship's timeframe reaches the 1800's. Potbs timeframe ends way before that, even flat decked frigates, from the Nelson era, aren't allowed in the game.

 

Btw, the Lexington in-game has a very strange thing in my opinion, the hull is too high up on the water, it looks like a ballet dancer standing on her big toe! I don't know if it's working as intended or not, all I know is that I haven't sailed that ship for long because of that.

[Thomas Blackwell]

Hmm, the Speedy's design isn't in Potbs, the ship's timeframe reaches the 1800's. Potbs timeframe ends way before that, even flat decked frigates, from the Nelson era, aren't allowed in the game.

 

Btw, the Lexington in-game has a very strange thing in my opinion, the hull is too high up on the water, it looks like a ballet dancer standing on her big toe! I don't know if it's working as intended or not, all I know is that I haven't sailed that ship for long because of that.

 

I felt exactly the same way about the Lexington. It was just too absurd for me.

 

On the PoDTS timeline however, I'm not too sure. The Speedy was laid down in 1781 and launched the following June of 1782. From there, she saw an extremely active career with a number of different nations until she was finally broken up in 1807. The HMS Victory, which was in PoTBS was ordered in 1758, laid down in 1759, and finally launched in 1765. She had an illustrious career with the Royal Navy until she was finally decommissioned in November of 1812. It the same story with a number of PoTBS's ships of the line from all nations. I guess however this is because the smaller, older ships were for the newer players, and the larger, newer ship were for the older players. Speedy just had the short straw by being a later design.

[Oneironz]

Hmm, I see. Shame that the design came so late indeed.

[admin]

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A french brigantine of around 120 tons. Build as a packet boat converted to serve as a privateer, with twelve french 6-pounders and two Perriers à boîte.

 

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where did you get this screen.. would love to buy that book

[admin]

Thanks everyone on the suggestions

We are finishing USS Constitution and will be opening up a final voting on the next set of 2-3 ships to get into game.

[Johny Reb]

Yeah, Speedy is a brig whereas the van horn was a snow and for those that dont know the difference...

 

A "Snow" had a "jackmast" shipped right up next to the mainmast. This jackmast carried the mizzen. In Potbs, zoom up on the snow and you will see the mast I'm talking about. The model is accurat enough.

[Oneironz]

Yeah, I know what you're talking about, thanks for the heads up!

[Brigand]

where did you get this screen.. would love to buy that book

 

That's a big compliment!

 

I've drawn that image myself. I've been researching this particular vessel for some time now and I'm slowly working my way to a complete set of building plans. I got interested in brigantines because of some paintings depicting French brigantines from this era, unfortunately, most of the time it is a secondary vessel on a painting depicting some imposing ship of war.

 

The sources are many, but I believe it is accurate for the period (1740). The main sources for the hull lines are the droughts for several brigantines commissioned about the same time as the Vilaine (Dauphin, Lys and Marie Madeleine) on the west coast of France. The hull lines of those vessels match near enough. The finer details on the sail plan, including mast and sail dimensions, running rigging is mostly from ship models in musea, that survive from those days. I've cross referenced those with the rougher details on paintings and schematics drawings in books. The image I've posted here does not show all the rigging, most notably, the bunt- and clewlines are not depicted.

 

So in summary, I'm sorry to disappoint you, there is no book title I can give you.

 

Cheers,

Brigand.

[Johny Reb]

well if you did that yourself Brigand, Good job! It does look like it came straight out of a book.

[Oneironz]

I'm trully impressed aswell! I really thought that the image had came from a book!

You're really passionate about that ship