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HMS Discovery 1789 10-gun British survey ship https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/HMS_Discovery.JPG/593px-HMS_Discovery.JPG http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/263918.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/87625.html Her voyage HMS Discovery was the lead ship in Georges Vancouver's exploration of the west coast of North America in his famous 1791-1795 expeditions. Tons burthen : 330 65⁄98 bm Length : 99 ft 2 in (30.23 m) (overall) ; 77 ft 8 in (23.67 m) (keel) Beam : 28 ft 3 1⁄4 in (8.617 m) Depth of hold : 12 ft 4 in (3.76 m) Full-rigged ship Sources : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Discovery_(1789)

Quelques jours de vacances... J'essaye de combler un peu de mon retard de connaissance.

Appel à contribution Je viens de commencer un sujet sur les navires d'exploration du monde entier (XVIII-début XIXe s.) : http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7468-exploration-ships-around-the-world/ Si ça intéresse quelqu'un, si vous avez des plans (surtout ), mais aussi des gravures, des peintures... n'hésitez pas à contribuer. Je manque de connaissance sur le sujet pour me priver de bonnes volontés. Vous pouvez soit laisser vos contributions ici, soit les attacher dans un message privé, soit les mettre directement (et joliment) sur le topic. Merci pour l'attention .

Merci ! Je vais corriger. Latouche, n'oublie pas de "liker" les plans vénitiens qui te plaisent sur http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7306-player-ship-selection-1st-half-2016/page-7 si tu veux montrer aux développeurs du jeu ton intérêt pour ces magnifiques navires.

J'ai deux "petites" difficultés de traduction italien-français et de technique navale (je ne parle pas italien) : 1) Il est écrit au sujet du San Michele : "Armamento da fregata grossa: 40 cannoni (20 da 30 libbre in corridoio, 20 da 14 sul ponte di coperta; fu però subito armata come vascello di secondo rango: 56 cannoni (24 da 30 in corridoio, 24 da 14 sul ponte di coperta, 8 da 12 sul cassero)." Ce que je traduis grossièrement par "Armement des frégates lourdes, deux possibilités" : - 40 canons (20 de 30 livres) et 20 de 14 livres - 56 canons : 24 de 30 livres et 24 de 14 livres A quoi correspondent ces 30 et 14 livres ? 2) J'ai traduit : "Le unità della classe “San Michiel Arcangelo”, leggermente allargate rispetto alla precedente, erano dotate del cassero e furono utilizzate in combattimento, per il pattugliamento ma anche per il trasporto di alberi da nave di ricambio da Venezia alle basi del Levante." par : "Classe utilisée pour le combat, la patrouille côtière et le transport de bois pour les chantiers navals." Est-ce correct ?

La Recherche French stable barge 12 guns, 1787 Formerly 20-gun La Truite Antoine Roux, The Recherche and Espérance, 1827 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Recherche_and_Espérance-François_Roux_mg_0574.jpg Her voyage Along with L'Espérance, La Recherche earned fame as one of the ships of Antoine Bruny d'Entrecasteaux' exploration of the Australian coast in 1792 searching for the La Pérouse expedition. Recherche Bay was named after her. Deck and Poop-deck (A) planning for the expedition Cargo planning, e. g. " ee" for water hold, "rr" for salt hold... Source (hi-res and more drawings) : http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/2100-la-taverne-du-corsaire/?p=141434 Source, plans, pics http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/3647-la-fregate-la-tuite-aka-la-recherche/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Bruni_d%27Entrecasteaux Thanks Surcouf for the drawings !

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HMS (Bark) Endeavour 10-gun British bark 1764 Replik der Endeavour, 1994 HMS Endeavour, also known as HM Bark Endeavour, was a British Royal Navy research vessel that Lieutenant James Cook commanded on his first voyage of discovery, to Australia and New Zealand, from 1769 to 1771. History Characteristics Class and type: Bark Tons burthen: 368 71⁄94 (bm) Length: 106 ft (32 m) Beam: 29 ft 3 in (8.92 m) Sail plan: Full rigged ship : 3,321 square yards (2,777 m2) of sail Speed: 7 to 8 knots (13 to 15 km/h) maximum Armament: 10 4-pdrs, 12 swivel guns Plans Endeavour (1768) Other Pictures Source : http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/4601-hms-endeavour-1768-transport-exploration-with-plans/?hl=bounty#entry89382 http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/5506-merchant-ship-collection-with-plans/?p=106044

La Belle (1680) 6-gun french barque longue (copyright) Tonnage : 40-45 Length : 54 ft 4 in (16,56 m). Beam : 14 ft 9 in (4,50 m) Draft : 8 ft (2,4 m) Expedition Part of the disastrous expedition of René-Robert Cavelier de la Salle sent from France in 1684 to explore the mouth of Mississippi. Wrecked during a storm on the Texas banks. Monograph, plans, pictures, multimedia http://ancre.fr/en/monographies-en/30-monographie-de-la-belle-barque-1680.html http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/4686-french-barque-longue-la-belle-1680-with-plans-updated-6215/

Unknown Barque longue 8 guns Late XVIIth-century pre-corvette http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/11756-rare-ship-collection-with-plans/?p=209220

HMS Bounty British, 1784

Le Gros Ventre French Stable barge 10-16 guns (6 lbs) - 1766 - 1777 http://www.editions-ancre.com/Admin/WebPages/Legrosventre/photos/photo1.jpg Plan : Jean-Joseph Guignace Builder : Léon Michel Guignace (sous-ingénieur) Built in Bayonne (april 1766 - august 1767). Average Tonnage : 350 à 400 tx. L x l x c (ft / meter) : 113 x 25 x 13 / 36,70 x 8,12 x 4,22 Armament : 10 à 16 de 6 livres. Expedition Participated in the Kerguelen expedition in 1772 with the fluyt La Fortune. Will discovered the west coast of Australia in March of 1772 under the command of M. de St. Allouarn. The ownership of this land was written in the name of the french King, placed in glass bottles and buried in the location of this landing. In 1998, the bottles were unearthed. Read the tremendous summarize in french by Surcouf : http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/3166-navalaction-france-ouvre-ses-portes/?p=139444 Monograph, plans and pics : http://ancre.fr/en/monographies-en/51-monographie-du-gros-ventre-gabare-du-roi-1766.html http://www.editions-ancre.com/Admin/WebPages/grosventre.html

About Exploration ship classes Most of the XVIII-XIXth century exploration ships are modified cargo ships : stable barges, barks, barques longues, fluyts… Indeed, for long distances, cargo space is needed for storage of supply, medicine, scientific equipment, collected items... Besides, few were designed and built for exploration from the start (HMS Discovery). Stable barges with their strong structure, such as le Gros Ventre (1766), will provide significant resistance to the unleashed elements of the wildest oceans while small barques longues with shallow draught such as La Belle (1680) will sail in shallows and explore up rivers and lakes and along rocky coasts. Both are manoeuvrable and small enough to enter an estuary. Exploration ships are often lightly armed, whether they’re escorted or not. Ten to sixteen guns are enough to protect oneself against unpleasant lightly armed encounters and to fire during official ceremonies. Moreover, explorers avoid high traffic maritime routes... However, the modern french Corvette La Favorite (1829) with her 24 guns rivals 20+ gun-war corvettes build for naval combat. Exploration ships presented in this thread so far : - Le Gros Ventre, French stable barge (1766) - HMS Bounty, British merchant vessel (1784) - Descubierta & Atrevida, Spanish corvettes (1789) - La Belle, French barque longue (1680) - HMS Endeavour, British bark (1764) - La Favorite, French corvette (1829) - L’Astrolabe, French corvette (1811/25) - La Recherche, French stable barge (1787) - HMS Discovery, British survey ship (1789) - HMS Beagle, British brig (1820) - Vostok, Russian Sloop-of War (1818) - Mirny, Russian Sloop-of-War (1819) - HMS Carcass, British refitted bomb vessel (1759) - La Boudeuse, French frigate (1766) (WIP - don’t hesitate to PM me for comments, corrections and contribution )

Unnamed Venetian 60-gun 4th-Rate 1757 http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_81&mode=all&teca=MagTeca+-+ICCU

XVIII-th century Venetian ship plans

Unnamed Venetian, 1757 Light cargo 8-gun Frigate ("Fregatone") http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_68&mode=all&teca=MagTeca+-+ICCU A Fregatone is a light venetian cargo frigate, used in the Adriatic Sea. Thanks Wagram for your help ! On Sella22' s express request .

Question idiote : Elle a bien 52 canons cette frégate : (11 + 10 + 5) x 2?

Que signifie le terme "fregadone" ? Frégate ? Petite frégate ? ou ?

Unnamed Venetian Frigate XVIII-th century http://www.internetculturale.it/opencms/opencms/it/collezioni/collezione_0083.html Thanks Wagram for your help !

Unnamed Venetian 28-gun Frigate XVIII-th century http://www.internetculturale.it/opencms/opencms/it/collezioni/collezione_0083.html Thanks Wagram for your help !

Quelques beaux liens : http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_83&mode=all&teca=MagTeca+-+ICCU http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_51&mode=all&teca=MagTeca+-+ICCU http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_72&mode=all&teca=MagTeca+-+ICCU http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_81&mode=all&teca=MagTeca+-+ICCU

Unnamed Venetian 40(?)-gun frigate XVIII-th century http://www.internetculturale.it/opencms/opencms/it/collezioni/collezione_0083.html Thanks Wagram for your help !

San Michele Arcangelo (?) (St. Michael the Archangel) Venetian 40 to 56-gun 2-deck frigate 1749 - 1774 http://www.internetculturale.it/opencms/opencms/it/collezioni/collezione_0083.html General characteristics (1 Venetian piede = 0,3 meter = 12 inches) Length (piedi) : 128,85 Keel (piedi) : 110 Beam (piedi) : 35 Draft (piedi) : 16,5 Height keel to upper deck (piedi) : 27,50 Armament (1 Venetian lb = 488 grams) : Fregate Grossa version (40-gun) : 20 x 30 lbs + 20 x 14 lbs (deck) Could be easily modified in a Venetian "2-rate" (56-gun) : 24 x 30 lbs (battery) + 24 x 14 lbs (deck) et 8 x 12 lbs (quarterdeck). Sisterships of the San Michele Ship-class : San Michel Archangelo (1749-1774) Giglio d'Oro (1749-1769) Concordia (1767-1793) Used in combat, coast patrolling and spare mast transport to levantine bases. Source : http://www.veneziamuseo.it/ARSENAL/schede_arsenal/fregate.htm http://3decks.pbworks.com/w/page/916144/Venetian%20Large%20Frigates http://koti.mbnet.fi/felipe/html/ships_1667-1797.html Thanks, Wagram and LatoucheTréville, for your help !