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Swedish Ship Collection, af Chapman (With Plans)

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some plans from

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a swedish draftsman

 

sailtyps of ships

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privateer frigate with 28x 28pnd maindeck-guns (Swedish pnd is smaller as english, i mean, more to 24pnd)

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Frigates

(but perhaps merchants with frigate-sails?, look the hullform)

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As the title says, a small collection of my favourite plans by my favourite 18th century shipwright :)

 

Navy     

  • Bellona - class                       1783 -1785, 40 guns (24p)                           *done*
  • af Chapman frigate                1803, 40 guns (24p)                                     *done*
  • 18-pounder frigate           ca. 1765, 38 guns, concept ANM                        *done*
  • 8-pounder frigate                   1779, 24 guns, concept                                *done*
  • Cutter                                     1783, 10 guns                                               *done*
  • Gun Boat                                1775                                                             *done*

 

 

Merchant vessels

  • East-Indiaman                         1803                                                            *done*
  • Ship-rigged merchant        ca. 1785                                                            *done*
  • Brig                                    ca. 1800
  • Snow                                        1773

 

110-gun ship concept, ca. 1797

 

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Armament:

 

30*42-pounders

32*30-pounders

30*18-pounders

18*12-pounders

 

Crew: 1010

 

 

94-gun ship concept, ca. 1797

 

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Dimensions

 

Length                                                            202' (swedish fot)

Breadth                                                            53'

Draught Forward                                              22'

Draught Aft                                                       23'

 

Armament:

 

30*42-pounders

32* 30-pounders

32*18-pounders

 

Crew: 828

 

 

Konung Gustav IV / Gustav den Store, 74-gun ship, 1799

 

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Dimensions

 

Length                                                            165' (swedish fot)

Breadth                                                            46'

Draught Aft                                                      19' 7'

 

Armament:

 

28*36-pounders

30*24-pounders

16*12-pounders

 

Crew: 695

 

contemporay model:

http://digitaltmuseum.se/011024822502?query=Gustav%20den%20Store&pos=0

 

 

Improved Wasa-class, 62-gun ship, 1782

 

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(plan of Rättvisan, http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81290.html)

 

Dimensions

 

Length                                                            166' (swedish fot)

Breadth                                                            45' 9''

Draught Aft                                                      19' 6'

 

Height of gundeck above water                        7' 4''

 

Armament:

 

26*24-pounders

26*18-pounders

8*6-pounders

 

Crew: 564

 

Later:

 

26*36-pounders

26*24-pounders

8*6-pounders

 

Note: not all ships received the heavier armament due to the lack of sufficient 36-pounders

 

Ships in class:

 

Kronprins Gustaf Adolph             1782 - 1790

Fädnerslandet                             1782 - 1864

Ömheten                                     1783 - 1789

Rättvisan                                     1783 - 1812

Dygden                                       1784 - 1793

Äran                                            1784 - 1874

Försiktigheten                             1784 - 1825

Dristighenten                               1785 - 1869

Manligheten                                1785 - 1864

Tapperheten                               1785 - 1825

 

contemporary model of the Gustaf Adolph:

http://digitaltmuseu...=Modell, Gustav

 

 

Bellona-class, 24-pounder frigate, 1782

 

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Dimensions

 

Length                                                            156' (swedish fod)

Breadth                                                            40'

Draught Aft                                                      17' 6''

 

Height of middle gunport above the water       7'

 

L/B ratio                                                           3.9

 

Armament

 

26* 24-pounders

14* 6-pounders

 

Crew: 342

 

Ships in class:

 

Bellona          1782 - 1809

Minerva         1782 - 1789

Diana            1783 - 1802

Venus           1783 - 1789 (1812)

Fröja             1784 - 1834

Thetis           1784 - 1818

Camillia         1784 - 1842

Galathea       1785 - 1854

Eurydice        1785 - 1858

Zemire           1785 - 1790

 

 

af Chapman, 24-pounder frigate, 1803 - 1825

 

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Dimensions

 

Length                                                            154' (swedish fod)

Breadth                                                            39'

Draught Aft                                                      18'

 

Height of middle gunport above the water       7' 7''

 

L/B ratio                                                           3.95

 

Armament

 

26*24-pounders

2* 12-pounders

12*8-pounders

 

Crew: 330

 

 

18-pounder frigate concept, ca. 1765, ANM Plate XXXIII

 

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(the plans from chapman.net are horribly distorted, this one is corrected)

 

Dimensions

 

Length                                                            145' 6'' (imperial)

Breadth                                                            38'

Draught Aft                                                      17'

 

Height of middle gunport above the water       6' 4''

 

L/B ratio                                                           3.83

 

Armament

 

26*18-pounders, 12*6-pounders

 

 

At least a decade ahead of it´s time when Chapman made the plans for this ship (the first french and british 18-pounder frigates were launched in the late 1770s). The guns are mounted on sliding carriages to reduce the number of men needed to operate them.

And, as far as I know, the ingame 'frigate' is loosely based on this design.

 

18-pounder frigate concept, 1798

 

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Dimensions

 

Length                                                            149'  (swedish fot)

Breadth                                                            37' 7''

Draught Foreward                                            15' 6''

Draught Aft                                                       17' 1'

 

Height of middle gunport above the water       7'

 

L/B ratio                                                           3.96

 

Armament

 

24*18-pounders, 12*6-pounders

 

 

8-pounder frigate

 

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Dimensions

 

Length                                                            121' (swedish, 117' 10'' imperial)

Breadth                                                            32'

Draught Aft                                                      13' 1'

 

Height of middle gunport above the water       6' 4''

 

L/B ratio                                                           3.78

 

 

Armament

 

24* 8-pounders, 10* 3-pounders

 

 

Cutter, 1783

 

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Dimensions

 

Length                                                            68' (swedish)

Breadth                                                            27'

 

 

Armament

 

10* light 12-pounders

 

 

Gunboat, 1775

 

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Dimensions

 

Length                                                            98'' (swedish)

Breadth                                                           20'

 

Armament

 

4*12-pounders

 

Crew: 100

 

 

Gustaf den III., East-Indiaman, 1803

 

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Dimensions

 

Length                                                            161' 6'' (swedish)

Breadth                                                            43'

Depth in Hold                                                   16' 10''

Draught Aft                                                       22' 6''

 

 

Armament

 

?

 

Merchant, ship-rigged, ca. 1785

 

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Dimensions

 

Length                                                            110' (swedish)

Breadth                                                            33'

Depth in Hold                                                   13' 6''

 

Armament

 

22*6-pounders ?

 

 

If someone has the plans for Ulla Fersen, please send a PM :)

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Interesting post.

 

However, I'm not very fond of Thread Titles in the Shipyard beginning by "My Favorite..." or "Poster's Name Plans".

 

What about setting up a more neutral and useful convention for plan thread titles like this : "Nation - Ship class - Time Period" ?

Ex : "Danish Brigs (1700-1750)"

 

It'd be easier to navigate in the Shipyard Forum, wouldn't it ?

And contributions from various posters could be easily added.

 

Edit :

- in case of nations with only few known plans, we could have only one thread : "Venetian Ships (18th century)".

- in case of a thematic thread with ship plans from various nations : "Internat. Exploration ships (1700-1820)"

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Good point, gonna change the thread title asap :)

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there are some beautiful decorated frigates in that book. pure awesomeness.

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Added 94-gun ship and 36-gun frigate to the OP :)

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Added 94-gun ship and 36-gun frigate to the OP :)

That is actually a plan he did of HMS Victory ;)

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That is actually a plan he did of HMS Victory ;)

Aren't the topsides and beakhead totally different? At a minimum.

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That is actually a plan he did of HMS Victory ;)

 

 

Uhm, what? That´s definitely not his drawing of Balchen´s Victory :P

 

Added af Chapman, Bellona-class and a merchant vessel.

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Added 110-gun ship, Konung Gustav IV and improved Wasa-class :)

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Uhm, what? That´s definitely not his drawing of Balchen´s Victory :P

 

Added af Chapman, Bellona-class and a merchant vessel.

You're right, I found the drawing he did of it ^^

 

http://digitaltmuseum.se/011024827286?owner_filter=S-SMM-SM&query=ritning&producer=chapman,%20fredrik&advanced_search=1&pos=46

 

Also you got most of the drawings he did under this: http://digitaltmuseum.se/search?owner_filter=S-SMM-SM&query=ritning&producer=chapman,%20fredrik&advanced_search=1

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A pity most of his drawings aren´t available online yet (e.g. the Gustav Adolph-class and the Diana/af Chapman)

 

And I ordered the drawings for the Ulla Fersen of 1787 (a really cute little 6-pounder frigate with a V-shaped hull) and his concept for a 26*30-pounder frigate he made in 1797, I´ll update the OP when I get those :)

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Where can you get these plans?

Do you have a goo high resoluion source for such?

Cause I am very interested in the Wasa 1782.. I had a quick go at her in blender. Seems like a lovely square ship to me.

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Where can you get these plans?

Do you have a goo high resoluion source for such?

Cause I am very interested in the Wasa 1782.. I had a quick go at her in blender. Seems like a lovely square ship to me.

All plans of swedish ships since like 1500 (if they didnt perish in one of the fires of the librarys) can be found in the Swedish Riksarkivet or Krigsarkivet. Dont know if you have to be a Swedish citizent to be able to get the drawings. Some of them are digitalised but some of them are in their original drawing or a copy they have made. Some of them can be found on the internet (like the link i posted).

If Im not wrong the Wasa 1782 can be found on the internet dont remember right now where.

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fyi the Wasa class was laid down a few weeks ago.

constuctions got delayed several times due to RL issues (studying stuff) and a lot of re-doing correcting etc.

But here is what I got thus far:

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enjoy!

alternative link:

http://imgur.com/cBIAYBP

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fyi the Wasa class was laid down a few weeks ago.

constuctions got delayed several times due to RL issues (studying stuff) and a lot of re-doing correcting etc.

But here is what I got thus far:

attachicon.gifwasa_1782_hull.jpg

enjoy!

alternative link:

http://imgur.com/cBIAYBP

Looks like a great start! Has there been any progress on this work?

I'd love to see both the Bellona and Wasa class in the game. Some of af Chapman's other designs are very fine as well, and would be a nice addition at some point in the future, but these two are really more of a must-have. It seems to me that they formed the backbone in the Swedish navy at an appropriate time (ca 1790), with many ships built that saw multiple battles and long services.

 

A concern of mine, however, is how the armament of the Wasa class would fit into the game. I'm now talking about the later 26 x 36 lb + 28 x 24 lb + 6 x 6 lb armament, or thereabouts, that they per my understanding carried around year 1790. Wouldn't it outgun the Bellona 3rd rate SOL?

 

I wouldn't say no the Hemmema class (the archipelago frigate with the ridiculous armament 22 x 36 lb + 2 x 12 lb) to dominate shallow port battles, but I'm not greedy, that can wait.  :)

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I would like that 8 pounder frigate in the game. I love me some pocket frigates.

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The Wasa is making progress. Sadly I dont have the time to work on her a lot.

I am currently doing the headrails and due to lack of time I am struggleing to get stuff done.

 

But I may supply you with some progress pictures once I am done with the bow section.

 

About her armemtn:

yep she would be some sort of super 4th rate or even a 3rd in regards of firepower.

Also she wasnt a bad sailor. Faster than her appearance may make you think.

Malachi has exact numbers.

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The 'improved Wasa-class' from the OP is the Gustav Adolph-class (10 vessels, Wasa had one sister ships), actually. The Gustav Adolphs were 2 feet longer, had a proper forecastle and higher bulwarks. And they were goood sailors indeed: 10 3/4 knots close-hauled with one point of leeway, 12 1/2 - 13 knots running free and needed ca. 2 and half minutes for a complete tack.

 

Wouldn't it outgun the Bellona 3rd rate SOL?

 

 

Not really. Swedes didn´t use carronades until the early 1800s and the swedish pound weighed less than the british pound (425g vs 453,6g)

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here Wasa

Any way you can post it so you can see it better?

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The Wasa is making progress. Sadly I dont have the time to work on her a lot.

I am currently doing the headrails and due to lack of time I am struggleing to get stuff done.

 

But I may supply you with some progress pictures once I am done with the bow section.

 

About her armemtn:

yep she would be some sort of super 4th rate or even a 3rd in regards of firepower.

Also she wasnt a bad sailor. Faster than her appearance may make you think.

Malachi has exact numbers.

 

It's understandable that you have limited time, I am writing to make sure that you know that the time you put in is valued by the community! Please do provide pictures when the bow section is done, it would be very appreciated!

 

I don't think she looks slow at all! Being a two-decker does that, I think.

 

The 'improved Wasa-class' from the OP is the Gustav Adolph-class (10 vessels, Wasa had one sister ships), actually. The Gustav Adolphs were 2 feet longer, had a proper forecastle and higher bulwarks. And they were goood sailors indeed: 10 3/4 knots close-hauled with one point of leeway, 12 1/2 - 13 knots running free and needed ca. 2 and half minutes for a complete tack.

 

 

Not really. Swedes didn´t use carronades until the early 1800s and the swedish pound weighed less than the british pound (425g vs 453,6g)

 

Impressive numbers! So sailing wise it should be something like the USS Constitution? Perhaps a tad slower?

 

Well, using the numbers I gave above, and the in-game Bellona numbers (from wiki), the broadsides are something like 580 kg for the Gustav Adolph (what did they use for chasers? 2x24 bow and 2x6 stern?) and around 700 kg for the Bellona (all cannons). While this is still a significant difference, with the GA having about 80% of the broadside weight of the Bellona, the latter presents a much larger target, and its cannons are of smaller caliber. Now if the Bellona is fitted with carronades where applicable, it would still have the edge at close range. From a distance my guess is that the GA-class would at least be a very tough opponent for a Bellona, especially considering their fine sailing characteristics, which would allow them to keep said distance.

 

I guess there will be lots of balancing as more ships are added, and the GA-/Wasa-class shouldn't provide any particular problems.

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(what did they use for chasers? 2x24 bow and 2x6 stern?)

 

 

 

By looking at the plan/model of the Gustav Adolph I´d guess 2*36-pounders, 2*6-pounders at the bow and 2*36-pounders, 2*6-pounders at the stern.

 

And I´ve no idea about the speed of the Constitution in our timeframe. But only very few frigates managed close to 11 knots close-hauled while 13 knots running would have been considered good performance.

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So this is her appearance atm:

http://imgur.com/a/F3riL

 

headrails will look pretty similar like that in the picture but they are not final.

whats missing is a lot of side-decorations and ornaments. The stern will need some ornaments as well but I am not sure if I should do them myslf since if (and thats a huge if) the ship is accepted by game-labs they will propably do it themselfs.

 

also these black rails are the top end of the nets for the crew's hammocks. just like the ingame niagara

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update?

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http://imgur.com/amnfFpb

 

Everything above that ornament rail on the sides is meant to be black. until that blue-ish part. Which should be smooth instead of aprupt..

Ive got to do that for sure but I have to learn all of that texturing from scratch. I once knew how to UV texture and do all the neat things but thats years ago-.-

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