US Navy Accuracy

[maturin]

 

 

Pirates should only get captured ships 

Sounds good.

 

I would play pirate.

[Mrdoomed]

Sounds good.

I would play pirate.

Glad we agree. Now make it happen.

[Cragger]

Well pirates never went to a ship dealer amd bought new ships with cash or credit either so we need to remove the abilty for pirates to buy ships amd make sure they can only use captured ships. Also as far as records that ive seen no ports gave free basic cutters to any pirates just for asking therefor that needs to be taken away as well.

Pirates should only get captured ships , unless they get good at that then they should not be allowed to capture ships and should only be allowed to float on driftwood and have coconuts to use as cannons, well unless they get good with that then.......

 

Possessing a ship in no way allows for having a ship in service. A SoL represents 700+ souls which for a pirate is a huge negative that's 700+ to divide any booty by. A SoL would make a poor ship to pursue commerce as merchantmen always gave such obvious warships a wide berth due to the fact they could be at war and not know it due to communication at the time. Plus where are you going to keep it, where are you going to provision it, where are you going to take it for fitting and rigging? How are you going to pay for all this?

[Mrdoomed]

Possessing a ship in no way allows for having a ship in service. A SoL represents 700+ souls which for a pirate is a huge negative that's 700+ to divide any booty by. A SoL would make a poor ship to pursue commerce as merchantmen always gave such obvious warships a wide berth due to the fact they could be at war and not know it due to communication at the time. Plus where are you going to keep it, where are you going to provision it, where are you going to take it for fitting and rigging? How are you going to pay for all this?

What are you talking about ? What sol do i have ? Pirates should not have them.

[Cragger]

What are you talking about ? What sol do i have ? Pirates should not have them.

 

The point being that even capturing a ship does not make it a viable ship to put into service. The ship is the cheap part, it's everything else that makes it expensive and a logistics burden.

[Mrdoomed]

The point being that even capturing a ship does not make it a viable ship to put into service. The ship is the cheap part, it's everything else that makes it expensive and a logistics burden.

We have been in complete agreement so ok i guess.

[Snoggy]

I don't see where people think this game is set in the 1830's. Golden age of piracy was 1726.

[Sella]

I'm pretty sure that this game isn't exclusively about the golden age of piracy...

[Snoggy]

I'm pretty sure that this game isn't exclusively about the golden age of piracy...

 

 

Well you have pirates in-game. Seem a might silly to put pirates into a time period where they didn't exist.

 

 

Then again, you have the american nation in game, at a time when the united states didn't exist.

[Mrdoomed]

I really dont see , and never have, the amount of tears shed over pirates lol. Hell once they force my sever to merge my clan is going to roll US and keep playing as pirates just like we do now only with the backing and ports of a major power backing us ! Woot.

[Sella]

Still it doesnt mean they ceased to exist after their golden age ended. Nobody said anything about removing them.

 

When the timeframe is mentioned, it doesnt mean that the game is set strictly in one of the years between it. Hence why USA exists and why other nations exist.

 

First of all its a game, not a simulator. That's why many ships from many periods are present.

[OlavDeng2]

Well you have pirates in-game. Seem a might silly to put pirates into a time period where they didn't exist.

 

 

Then again, you have the american nation in game, at a time when the united states didn't exist.

well that is because the game isnt set in a single date, it is set between 1680-1820(going off of the hardlimit for ships), this includes the golden age of piracy and of course the US independence

[Æthlstan]

Well pirates never went to a ship dealer amd bought new ships with cash or credit either so we need to remove the abilty for pirates to buy ships amd make sure they can only use captured ships. Also as far as records that ive seen no ports gave free basic cutters to any pirates just for asking therefor that needs to be taken away as well.

Pirates should only get captured ships , unless they get good at that then they should not be allowed to capture ships and should only be allowed to float on driftwood and have coconuts to use as cannons, well unless they get good with that then.......

Criminals and smugglers DID go to a ship dealer to purchase ships. Stede Bonnet is a caribbean example off the top of my head, but most if not all major innovations in ship building design was spurred by the  needs of criminal customers to Europe's shipbuilding industry. (more hold space, yet more maneuverable, faster, still low to the water, still able to access shallow inlets, and seaworthy) The British Navy especially stole some design elements from the ships that were made for these criminals.

[CaptVonGunn]

Well pirates never went to a ship dealer amd bought new ships with cash or credit either so we need to remove the abilty for pirates to buy ships amd make sure they can only use captured ships. Also as far as records that ive seen no ports gave free basic cutters to any pirates just for asking therefor that needs to be taken away as well.

Pirates should only get captured ships , unless they get good at that then they should not be allowed to capture ships and should only be allowed to float on driftwood and have coconuts to use as cannons, well unless they get good with that then.......

 

 Ok so can we also make ships cost the realistic time to build? even with the OW compressed time it would be a few real time weeks to even build a Cutter.. months for a big ship..  I mean it we want it"Historical"

[Mrdoomed]

Ok so can we also make ships cost the realistic time to build? even with the OW compressed time it would be a few real time weeks to even build a Cutter.. months for a big ship.. I mean it we want it"Historical"

Yes, but only for pirates.

[Bommel]

Yes, but only for pirates.

Why don´t you take a break from game and forum if you are so frustrated?

[Mrdoomed]

Why don´t you take a break from game and forum if you are so frustrated?

What are you talkng about ? Im in agreement with everyone in the game ? Not sure why you gave such an attitude.

[maturin]

Stede Bonnet is a caribbean example off the top of my head

A major example or the only example? Have you ever heard of others?

 

To state the obvious, Bonnet wasn't a pirate when he contracted to have his ship built. He was a wealthy man living on the civilized mainland within the confines of the law.

[Mrdoomed]

Criminals and smugglers DID go to a ship dealer to purchase ships. Stede Bonnet is a caribbean example off the top of my head, but most if not all major innovations in ship building design was spurred by the needs of criminal customers to Europe's shipbuilding industry. (more hold space, yet more maneuverable, faster, still low to the water, still able to access shallow inlets, and seaworthy) The British Navy especially stole some design elements from the ships that were made for these criminals.

Obviously under false names and we dont posses that ability here so anyone who sells does so knowing it and should lose thier account to simulate prison.

There are accounts of pirates , like Morgan, who captured ports and even was governed them so i guess we should just allow pirates to capture ports and govern them too lol. Lunacy.

[Æthlstan]

A major example or the only example? Have you ever heard of others

 

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http://lugnad.ie/smuggling/

 

This article will contend that smuggling played a significant role in the development of boat design in England and perhaps in Ireland. The ideal small or medium-sized vessel or boat for the smuggler was a fast one, drawing little water and having a significant cargo-carrying capacity. This specification poses contradictory challenges for the ship or boat builder. The beam necessary for large amounts of cargo will slow the vessel down, while the deep hull necessary for speed will restrict its operation in shallow waters. In order to build and modify craft within these parameters, qualities of innovation and adaptability were required. These traits are reflected in the references to smuggling during this period. The Carteret Priaulx letters, referred to previously, record the sale of a 115 ton cutter to smuggling interests, at Plymouth in September 1806. ⁽³¹⁾ The sale price for the cutter was £475, but to get her overhauled and ready for sea, the final reckoning came to £800. ⁽³²⁾ The additional £325 spent gives an indication of the extent of the customising of the cutter for the smuggling trade. Unfortunately, the letter does not give any details of the nature of the additional work done on the vessel, but the amount of money involved suggests that it was extensive, time-consuming and perhaps not the ordinary work undertaken by the shipyard. Ni Mhurchadha, in her work on the customs and excise service in North County Dublin, refers to the smuggling wherries that operated in Rush, North County Dublin, a noted centre of smuggling activity. ⁽³³⁾ She states that these wherries, which were converted fishing boats, were purpose built to enter a difficult harbour like Rush, where the larger more cumbersome revenue barges could not easily follow. ⁽³⁴⁾ Helen Doe, in an article about the shipyard of “Dunn and Hanna” at Port Mellon, near Mevagissey in Cornwall, also examines the idea of the smuggling demands creating challenges for the shipbuilders. ⁽³⁵⁾ The normal business of the Port Mellon yard was in ship building and ship repair. They built and repaired small boats for the local fishing industry as well as medium-sized vessels for the coastal trades. The expertise gained in these areas was easily adapted to meet the needs of the smugglers.⁽³⁶⁾ Doe details this aspect of the work carried on in the yard when she gives an account of coastal cutters being sold by Dunn and Hanna to the Guernsey firm of Maingy and Company who were regular suppliers of goods to the smuggling trades. ⁽³⁷⁾ It is interesting to examine the type of vessels that the majority of Dunn’s customers wanted from the yard. These vessels had to be small, fast and highly manoeuvrable, yet strong enough to withstand beaching. These design parameters are not very different from the ones that were noted at the start of this section. The shipyard was successful, and some very fine vessels were built there. Doe refers to the comments made by Robert Seppings in 1804 and again in 1806, when he examined seized smuggling vessels, built by Dunn and Hanna, that could be used by the Excise Board.⁽³⁸⁾ He noted their sharp construction, which allows for speed, and also the small size of their scantlings which would allow the vessel to carry more cargo. He maintained that they would be very suitable for employment as preventative vessels in the excise service. This is the same Robert Seppings who afterwards became Surveyor to the Royal Navy from 1813 to 1832, and is remembered particularly for his innovation in hull bracing, which allowed vessels of greater length to be built for the Royal Navy in the early nineteenth century. ⁽³⁹⁾ All this innovation did not cease at the end of the Napoleonic war in 1815 and a subsequent decline in smuggling. Helen Doe gives an account of a family of shipbuilders in a small Cornish village in her 2002 book “Jane Slade of Polruan.” ⁽⁴⁰⁾ The demand for fast wooden vessels, which were increasingly required for the specialist trades like fruit carrying, were met by shipyards based in the Fowey Estuary in South Cornwall. These vessels were a development and improvement on the successful smuggling design principles and were built and subsequently repaired in these yards throughout most of the nineteenth century. Doe traces the development of the yards in Polruan, which are situated near the mouth of the Fowey estuary, starting with the Geech family who were shipbuilders up to 1837, when they were declared bankrupt. ⁽⁴¹⁾ In 1847, Christopher Slade set up a shipbuilding yard at Polruan. ⁽⁴²⁾ She traces the business fortunes of this family, noting the launch of their last wooden building, the barquentine ES Hocken in 1879, and after that date, the emphasis on repair work. This section has shown how the requirement for specific smuggling vessels created challenges for the boatyards and shipbuilders. It has also noted that the consequent expertise developed to meet these challenges, enabled Cornish shipbuilders in the Fowey Estuary to survive against the growing competition of steam until well into the nineteenth century.