Lovec1990 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Christoph said: We boarded a british buc with 2 Le requin 😀 Was buc players name Aster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christoph Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Lovec1990 said: Was buc players name Aster? i dont now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovec1990 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 just asking in last 24 hours he was quite vocal against requins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christoph Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 the biggest prob is that you can attack every ship in the reinforcement zone with the le requin . the reinforcements are useless. nobody attack with 1st or 2nd rate an enemy ship in the reinforcement zone. 41 minutes ago, Lovec1990 said: just asking in last 24 hours he was quite vocal against requins It is already 4 weeks ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetooth Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 46 minutes ago, Christoph said: We boarded a british buc with 2 Le requin 😀 Is this a jaws moment.....? Have you seen my ....scar? 40 minutes ago, Christoph said: the biggest prob is that you can attack every ship in the reinforcement zone with the le requin . the reinforcements are useless. nobody attack with 1st or 2nd rate an enemy ship in the reinforcement zone. You can attack every ship in reinforcement zone with any ship. Whether you survive or not is another matter...... Le Sexy helps with escape, if you know when to run. On 8/20/2018 at 12:13 AM, Barbancourt (rownd) said: Well, wadda you expect them to fight your uberships in, little 60 man Privateers and Pickles or something? Princes and Rattlers with half the number of crew or perhaps much less? LOL That would be great thanks. 😁 Perhaps they could also remove their guns like their nice trader do.😉 Now, the pirate frigs and rens and trincs and cerbs that came out captained by mid rankers smashed us up pretty good. Masts were falling all over and only coordinated TS sailing allowed us to escape their uncoordinated mess. However most of the high rankers come out in big fat slow armoured super OP Sols and end up looking stupid. I'm actually trying to stop them looking stupid and getting so salty. I could tell them how to fight Le Sexy but I put in the time to learn and I am enjoying their salt. Maybe one day I will....but not to day effendi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 51 minutes ago, Lovec1990 said: we only have 2 6th rate DLC ships ??? Which are ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovec1990 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sir Hethwill the RedDuke said: ??? Which are ? Hercules and requin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Hercules is a 5th rate. And rightfully so, being a full rig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovec1990 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Just now, Sir Hethwill the RedDuke said: Hercules is a 5th rate. artifical 5th rate he was made 5th rate after 3 days being DLC ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 It is a 5th rate. And rightfully so being a full rig, 3 mast "veffel". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovec1990 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Sir Hethwill the RedDuke said: It is a 5th rate. And rightfully so being a full rig, 3 mast "veffel". on relese she was 6th rate so yes its 5th rate now but not true 5th rate i will never look at herc as 5th rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 There we go again... She is a 5th rate and rightfully so due to first considerations - rigging. Fact. If you want to call her a unrated that's on you. Opinion. Saying there's two 6th rates DLC. Lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 minute ago, dark lord rediii said: who gives a fuck? I do. Obviously you don't. All ships are OP given the opportunity to equip so. All ships will be able to rampage hit and run given the equipment. Been there, done that. Is done everyday but you look only to Xebec. Sorry, i do not make selective observations as it fits me or not. ( suddenly the eco is important !?.... gimme a break. been fighting for hardcore logistics for too long now that i made my peace with - grab ship. sail out. fight. GG. logoff ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 26 minutes ago, Sir Hethwill the RedDuke said: She is a 5th rate and rightfully so due to first considerations - rigging. Fact. Uhm, unrated vessels or sloops could carry a ship rig. The smallest three-masted ship from our period I´ve seen was around 50' long. Gun count (and calibre, depending on the country) is what matters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Just now, Malachi said: Uhm, unrated vessels or sloops could carry a ship rig. The smallest three-masted ship from our period I´ve seen was around 50' long. Gun count (and calibre, depending on the country) is what matters. Thanks So what would it be ? Rig, then gun count, then tonnage ? Seen sloops of war with as many guns as 5th rates, but they weren't rate as so. Anyway, thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 (edited) No hard and fast answer to this question, I´m afraid. For example, La Renommée was classed as a frégate de 8 (livres) when she was built in 1744. In 1800, she would have been a corvette. Curiously, her gun count (30) would have made her a 5th Rate in british service, yet she classed as a 6th Rate (IIRC). The only thing that´s quite certain is that an one- or two-masted vessel would be 'unrated'. But those ships got quite big, the Cruizer-class of 1797 was around 100', that´s the size of a respectable frigate in 1700. Edited August 21, 2018 by Malachi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HachiRoku Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 hour ago, admin said: We are working to tune the alternatives. But we believe a lot of players will still use the requin and herc because of convenience even if there are other alternative 6th rates and 5th rates that are better Make it a reedemable permit and make people craft them. Since when is naval action about convenience? As I have said before. If you make exceptions to ships in game design you break the game. Other ships cost alot of PvP marks to make the notes. If a connie costs me 30 pvp marks. I would say that is 1-2 hours of good pvp. That is 20-40 euros of my time if I were at work. More expensive than a requin right? The dlc is far to cheap for what it gives. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 In truth all thing point out to rig type and amount of gun on the captain's letters and reports So guess there's that. In game we have numeral rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 hours ago, admin said: We are working to tune the alternatives. But we believe a lot of players will still use the requin and herc because of convenience even if there are other alternative 6th rates and 5th rates that are better Care to explain which 6th rate is better then requin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovec1990 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, HachiRoku said: Make it a reedemable permit and make people craft them. Since when is naval action about convenience? As I have said before. If you make exceptions to ships in game design you break the game. Other ships cost alot of PvP marks to make the notes. If a connie costs me 30 pvp marks. I would say that is 1-2 hours of good pvp. That is 20-40 euros of my time if I were at work. More expensive than a requin right? The dlc is far to cheap for what it gives. DLC needs too be intresting how many would buy DLC permit not many then these few will demand high price for ship and we will be back too p2w crys even if this ship will not be tradable or cappable we are in the same spot as we are now you paid real money for good ship permit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, HachiRoku said: Make it a reedemable permit and make people craft them. Since when is naval action about convenience? As I have said before. If you make exceptions to ships in game design you break the game. Other ships cost alot of PvP marks to make the notes. If a connie costs me 30 pvp marks. I would say that is 1-2 hours of good pvp. That is 20-40 euros of my time if I were at work. More expensive than a requin right? The dlc is far to cheap for what it gives. You make some fair points, if a serious consideration is made regarding economy and crafting, which is not even a reality. 30 PvP marks have no RL counterpart value. It is a "individual" consideration, as you well put, of a imaginary value in regards only to yourself. Hobby time costs nothing, it is free time. On the business side of things... if it would've been a "classic frigate" design to be the DLC everyone would be happy and not so "alarmed", but Frigates can be captured from the NPC fleets. How many can a player capture in 2 hours ? 3 ? 5 ? And they come equipped with guns already. True, no Trinc nor Santa Cecilias on those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovec1990 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sir Hethwill the RedDuke said: You make some fair points, if a serious consideration is made regarding economy and crafting, which is not even a reality. 30 PvP marks have no RL counterpart value. It is a "individual" consideration, as you well put, of a imaginary value in regards only to yourself. Hobby time costs nothing, it is free time. On the business side of things... if it would've been a "classic frigate" design to be the DLC everyone would be happy and not so "alarmed", but Frigates can be captured from the NPC fleets. How many can a player capture in 2 hours ? 3 ? 5 ? And they come equipped with guns already. True, no Trinc nor Santa Cecilias on those. This i whole point requin and Herc are too unique too get people too buy DLC frigate she herself does need too be OP even Lhermione would sell and she is 12pd frigate with normal advantages and disadvantages other frigates have not too mention she is not OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Just now, Lovec1990 said: This i whole point requin and Herc are too unique too get people too buy DLC frigate she herself does need too be OP even Lhermione would sell and she is 12pd frigate with normal advantages and disadvantages other frigates have not too mention she is not OP That's right. All my PvP marks go for L'Hermiones ( absolutely love her ). Works perfectly for me and my free time. Being free - non dlc - why not more use her ?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovec1990 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Just now, Sir Hethwill the RedDuke said: That's right. All my PvP marks go for L'Hermiones. Works perfectly. Being free - non dlc - why not more use her ? Lhermione is not free you need PvP marks witch are not free still you could have both DLC Lhermione and PvP Lhermione normal players can get. 1 minute ago, Rickard said: did you take this into consideration? the sollutions that your dev team should consider are nerfing the hercules significantly or/and increase the cool down time for redeeming the hercules, for instance from 1 hercules every day to 1 hercules once per week or month and hercules being barred from PBs. premium ships like the hercules should be seen as collector items and not OP P2W ships. one week is too much 48hours for herc max and stop nerfing herc ban from PB is too much already DLC ships should be allowed to join PBs why should they be excluded plus there is no p2w its lies buthurt people cry here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Just now, Lovec1990 said: Lhermione is not free Takes 1 drop from a AI grind sold to someone to be able to "redeem" 10 L'Hermiones. Dont' even have to engage in PvP. Look to the game mechanics please. Mechanics are not human. They have no feelings, nor do they feel any pains. They give plenty of leeway to players to achieve results, by other means rather than the obvious. o7 laters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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