DarkspaceII Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 In what universe a SOL has more turn rate than a frigate ? 2.94 vs 2.87.. or sth similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tindahbawx Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Its 2.05 for the Connie vs 2.01 on the 3rd, disregarding trim and upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leviathan Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Have you noticed how large the Constitution is? It's actually longer than a 3rd rate and probably has more in common with it than it does other frigates. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prater Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Only thing separating the Coni from a 3rd Rate is 200 less crew, faster speed, and 1 less deck of guns and a lighter broadside weight. Otherwise the Coni is longer, and the wood in the coni is thicker and stronger. In game terms the 3rd rate has more hp of course. The ship experts we have around here have said in the past that shorter ships tend to have better turning but a lesser hull speed, while longer ships have a better hull speed. It makes sense to me that the Coni would turn just as bad if not worse than a 3rd rate. I don't exactly know what the experts would say, maybe Alex Conner or Maturin or someone could shed light. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Look here for Gun/Damage comparison if needed: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=642807736 Cerberus (CE and red), Renommee (RE and brown), Surprise (SU and pink), Belle Poule (BP and purple), Frigate (FR and green), Pirate Frigate (PF and black), Trincomalee (TR and blue), Constitution (CO and blue). http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/318999824710746574/DB2CC738E065BE31F47E2EA35EFFDF087AD077A4/ 3rd Rate (3R and orange), Bellona (BE and blue), Pavel (PA and red), Victory (VI and green), Santissima Trinidad (ST and purple). http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/318999824710746808/852120C1B43684B784BC44E9F0217E704C806B7E/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkspaceII Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 (edited) Its 2.05 for the Connie vs 2.01 on the 3rd, disregarding trim and upgrades. No, it WAS 2.05 vs 2.10 before the patch. Have you noticed how large the Constitution is? It's actually longer than a 3rd rate and probably has more in common with it than it does other frigates. They look the same in length to me. In height thought, the difference is huge. And if its all about length, how come the Cerb turns way worse than the Reno and Surprise ? Imo, it shouldn't be about length but weight. Same with acceleration. Edited March 16, 2016 by DarkspaceII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cragger Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 The main resistance to a ship moving or turning is water resistance. Weight only has an impact when it increases the draught of the vessel thus increasing the area of hull in contact with the water. This is why timber densities having an impact on terminal velocity are a game thing and not reality. A Trincomolee built out of fir would have had more ballast added to have her sit in the water at the same place at burden, live oak less ballast. The real impact it would have is stiffness. The fir built would would be stiffer then the live Oak due to lower CoG from the increased ballast. Bellona and Constitution have/had nearly the exact same draught/draft, while the Constitution has a longer keel. This means when trying to turn the Constitution has to displace more water laterally. However in a straight line she has a higher hull speed. Which if you want to know why I will let someone with better typing skills and more knowledge explain here: http://sailingmagazine.net/article-808-why-are-longer-boats-faster-.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH Wolf Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 what does GunSpecs/ DPM toDo with Turn Rate??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 what does GunSpecs/ DPM toDo with Turn Rate??? Read topic name - 3rd vs Connie, Nothing specified. I posted it for those who want detailed comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkspaceII Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 Look here for Gun/Damage comparison if needed: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=642807736 Cerberus (CE and red), Renommee (RE and brown), Surprise (SU and pink), Belle Poule (BP and purple), Frigate (FR and green), Pirate Frigate (PF and black), Trincomalee (TR and blue), Constitution (CO and blue). http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/318999824710746574/DB2CC738E065BE31F47E2EA35EFFDF087AD077A4/ 3rd Rate (3R and orange), Bellona (BE and blue), Pavel (PA and red), Victory (VI and green), Santissima Trinidad (ST and purple). http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/318999824710746808/852120C1B43684B784BC44E9F0217E704C806B7E/ Thank you very much ! Awesome graphs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 They look the same in length to me. In height thought, the difference is huge. And if its all about length, how come the Cerb turns way worse than the Reno and Surprise ? What length they 'look' to you is ultimately not very important. I'm skeptical that Cerb turns slower than Surprise. But I routinely called for Cerberus to be the most maneuverable frigate, so if it's not the case, it should still happen. http://sailingmagazine.net/article-808-why-are-longer-boats-faster-.html Dead link http://sailingmagazine.net/article-808-why-are-longer-boats-faster-.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkspaceII Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 I think i should be a bit more specific. Connie actually maneuvers better than 3rd, but that is due to its better acceleration,speed, and manual skipper. It is maybe sliiightly worse when on auto skipper with equal speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkspaceII Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 LOL ! Thank you Admin !!! Patch 9.66 : - Turning is back to 9.64 - Third Rate turn rates slightly reduced - Cerberus turn rate slightly increased Great job !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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