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@admin Could ships with 4-pdr on their quarterdeck/fc be implemented in game with 4-pdr ? I assumed that 4-pdr on QD/fc were always replaced with 6-pdr but is it really ?

I for one know that eventually I will miss the current UI as I already miss the pig-head cloud and the pray button...

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Raae Danish 9-pdr frigate 30 guns 1709 Dimensions : 110 fod, 29 fod, Crew : 140 Historical armament : 18 x 8-pdr + 12 x 4-pdr (96 pdr) Suggestion for in-game armament (with 6-pdr replacing 4-pdr and 9-pdr replacing 8-pdr) (gap 3) : 18 x 9-pdr + 6 x 6-pdr (99 pdr) 18 x 9-pdr + 4 x 6-pdr (93 pdr)

Nice post ! About La Fidèle : unfortunately 20 x 6-pdr and 20 x 9-pdr are outside of our 3 gaps. 20 x 9 gives the same broadside weight as USS Niagara (90 pdr). So two options for La Fidèle : 1) Option 1 (armed QD/fc) : Could we add 6-pdr (that is irl 4-pdr) on the QD/fc ? 20 x 6-pdr + 4 x 6-pdr ? broadside weight = 72 pdr 2) Option 2 (unarmed QD/fc) : Did Captains sometimes mix 9-pdr and 6-pdr on their Gun deck ? I guess at least some privateers did, didn't they ? Or was it discouraged for a technical reason ? What about (18 x 9-pdr + 2 x 6-pdr) on the GD ? broadside weight = 87 pdr

L'Heureuse 22-gun French 12-pdr Corvette Privateer, then HMS Heureux 1799 as a French privateer : 22 x (?) British service : 22 x 12-pdr (1799) 20 x 32-pdr (C) + 2 x 9-pdr (1800) Suggestion for in-game armament : 22 x 12-pdr (132 pdr) Historical background : Revolutionary France's programme in 1793 to build heavy Corvettes (24 x 12-pdr) achieved by Forfait. Dimensions (imperial feet) : length of gundeck = 127'6" ; breadth = 33' 0" ; depth in hold = 15'1" Notice the V-shaped hull. Sources : @Sella22 : http://forum.game-labs.net/topic/7682-french-corvettes-collection-6th-rates-with-plans/?do=findComment&comment=232095 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83572.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83574.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83573.html http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=21988

Le duc de Chartres French privateer Corvette 1779 24 guns Historical armament : as a privateer : 24 x 6-pdr (?) as HMS Duc de Chartres : 18 x 6-pdr + 4 x 12-pdr (78 pdr) Suggestion for in-game armament : 24 x 6-pdr (72 pdr) (gap 1) Dimensions (imperial feet) : 109'2" x 86'5 1/2" x 30'5 1/4" http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=20418http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83703.html

La Confiance French Privateer Corvette 1796 22 guns @wagram : Lyon, The Sailing Navy List, p.275: "Lines and profiles 'as fitted' in 1806 Built in Bordeaux. Historical armament : as a French privateer : 22 x (?) as HMS Confiance (1805, 24 guns) : 22 x 18-pdr (carronades) + 2 x 6-pdr Suggestion for in-game armament : 22 x 9-pdr (99 pdr) (gap 3) Dimensions (imperial feet) : length of gundeck = 117'0" ; breadth = 31'2 7/8" ; depth in hold = 14' 0" Notice the V-shaped hull. Sources : https://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=22705

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La Volage French corvette 22 guns 1795 @Wagram Lyon, The Sailing Navy List, p.248 : 'Lines and profiles as taken' National Navy, then a privateer, then captured by the British (HMS Volage). Historical armament : French service : 22 x 9-pdr or carronades (?) British service : 22 x 32-pdr (carronades) Suggestion for in-game armament : 22 x 9-pdr (99 pdr) gap 3 22 x 32-pdr (carronades) Sources : https://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=19397

Temporary rankings for the 6th-Rate plan Challenge (for fun) : @Sella22 : 2 plans (Oliver Cromwell, Phoenix) @SteelSandwich @pietjenoob : 1 plan (Havik) and @Malachi : 1 (Tranqvebar) Temporary... No ? @Surcouf dans la course ?

Summing up of the proposals so far Gap 1 : Snow (HMS Ontario) - Ratlesnake heavy Gap 2 : Ratlesnake heavy - USS Niagara Gap 3 : USS Niagara - HMS Pandora Any correction (mistakes, oversight...) and new suggestion are welcome.

Looking for the whole plan of the parts below from a French frigate built in c. 1700-1705 without name, 28 guns. The central part is missing. Her plan is at the Danish National Archives. Her figurehead seems to represent a mythological winged(?) male figue wearing an helmet (Hermes/Mercury ?). Unknown name French Light frigate 1700-1705 Historical armament : 20 x 6-pdr + 8 x 4-pdr (76 pdr) Suggestion for in-game armament : 20 x 6 + 4 x 6-pdr (72-pdr) (gap1) 20 x 6 + 8 x 6-pdr (84-pdr) (gap 2) Source : Boudriot, History of the French frigate, p. 60

12-pdr ? but with 24 x 9-pdr, she'd be already heavier than HMS Pandora and like Le Requin that might already carries 24 x 9-pdr. I don't say La Créole shouldn't be in game (I love her), just that I don't know how to make her fill in one of the 3 gaps of this thread.

La Créole is a marvelous French corvette. Her broadside weight in terms of carronades (as that's what she carries) is just a little bit heavier than that of USS Niagara. But she's a bit out of NA time frame (1820). And what could she carry on her gundeck as 24 guns to be also in gap 3 ?

@Malachi What about : 1) HMS Mymidon (1781) : http://forum.game-labs.net/topic/6183-myrmidon-1781-british-22-gun-ship-with-plans/?tab=comments#comment-116997 Historical armament : 20 x 6-pdr + 2 x 3-pdr (63 pdr) Suggestion for in-game armament (66 pdr < gap 1 < 78 pdr) : 20 x 6-pdr + 4 x 6-pdr (72 pdr) 2) Christiania (1774) : http://forum.game-labs.net/topic/12971-christiania-danish-20-gun-frigate-1774-with-plans/?tab=comments#comment-235745 Historical armament : 20 x 8-pdr + 10 x Falquonettes (1-pounders) (bw = 85 pdr) Suggestion for in-game armament : 90 pdr < gap 3 < 105 pdr 20 x 9-pdr + 2 x 6-pdr (96 pdr) 20 x 9-pdr + 4 x 6-pdr (102 pdr) I guess the best armament would be : 20 x 9-pdr (90 pdr) ; but we've already had USS Niagara...

Concerning this thread, rules are simple : irl 4-pdr becomes in-game 6-pdr irl 8-pdr becomes in-game 9-pdr whatever their nationality. So a French corvette with irl say 22 x 6-pdr + 2 x 4-pdr (70 pdr) might carry in game : 22 x 6-pdr + 2 x 6-pdr and her broadside weight becomes 11 x 6 + 6 = 72 pdr, 22 x 6-pdr (bw = 66 pdr) And bw are calculated with guns not carronades for the sake of simplicity and as OP gaps concern guns.

What about creating a dedicated thread about that ? This current one is not about the 'origin' of NA guns.

What a nice ship !!!! Unfortunately in regards to the Challenge, from threedecks.org, her armament was : 12 x 9-pdr + 6 x 6-pdr + 6 x 4-pdr (84 pdr), giving an in game broadside weight : 12 x 9-pdr + 12 x 6-pdr = 90 pdr = USS Niagara. Did I miss something ? But what a nice ship ! (edited) Maybe with 12 x 9-pdr + 6 x 6-pdr + 4 x 6-pdr (84 pdr) ? (same bw as the historical one)

Descubierta Spanish 1789 9-pdr corvette Historical armament (data from @D. Federico de Gravina y N ) built to carry (source ?): 22 x 8-pdr + 4 x 6-pdr (100-pdr) armament for the Exploration by Alejandro Malaspina : 14 x 6-pdr + 2 x 4-pdr (46 pdr) Suggestion for an in-game armament : gap 3 between USS Niagara (90 pdr) and HMS Pandora (105 pdr) 22 x 9-pdr (99 pdr) 20 x 9-pdr + 4 x 6-pdr (102 pdr) 20 x 9-pdr + 2 x 6-pdr (96 pdr) Info, drawings and plans : http://forum.game-labs.net/topic/6819-descubierta-spanish-corvette-with-plans/

Nice post. Can we really turn a late XVIII-th century 9-pder into a 6-pder ? Just a question to open up the debate Can't the history of ship building of the nation (ie comparison with other national ships) help to try and deduce an historical armament ? For example, in France, '99%' corvettes built after say 1779 (American war of independence) carried 8-pdr.

6th-Rate plan challenge There is no official current gap inbetween the ingame 6th-Rates and no expected new ship in the near futur apart from HMS Pandora and Le Requin (24 x 9-pdr), two very nice and awaited additions. Nonetheless, some could be added inbetween the exiting ones some day. So here is the challenge for NA plan-digging fans : post your favorite plans that might fill in the gaps below. Gaps are shown in terms of broadside weight for guns. Table 1 shows the gaps. Table 2 shows some possible armament combinaisons for each gap : Abbreviations GD : gun deck ; WD : weather deck ; fc : forecastle ; bw : broadside weight Calculation of a broadside weight : bw = (number of guns on one side of the gun deck x caliber) + (number of guns on one side of the WD/fc x caliber). Ex : broadside weight of a frigate carrying 20 x 9-pdr + 14 x 6-pdr = 10 x 9 + 7 x 6 = 132 pdr Expected post format : Ships name, date, ship characteristics, plans gap(s) to fil : 1, 2 and/or 3 historical armament and suggestion(s) for ingame armament Have fun

Just correcting your mistake, not looking for an advice. Thx anyway.

The true and nicest type IRL and in game, IMHO. As to the in-game 'light frigates' (those of this thread), I think we are quite done with a nice set of 14 frigates (see table above), compared to the size of the gap between La Renommée and HMS Surprise. Thx to all the contributors : @Sella22 @SteelSandwich @Fluffy Fishy @Malachi @akd. Hoping it might help in a next poll or during a future development phase. Light frigates deserve some love in game. La Panthère... Sigh...