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  1. LeBoiteux
    Drawings of the decoration of La Jacinthe (or “La Hyacinthe”, 1756), sister ship of La Sardoine, drawn by Caffieri on 31 July 1756 are kept by the Archives de la Marine : n° 729, D1 68, f° 17 cl. 7309. I’d love to have a look at them some day !!!
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    HMS Echo 1782 British 6-pdr Corvette 22 guns Armament : GD : 16 x 6-pdr QD : 4 x 12-pdr (carronade) fc : 2 x 12-pdr (carronade) Sources : http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83629.html https://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_class&id=242
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    Stopover of La Sardoine in Martinique 15 oct. - 25 oct. 1758 Captain : Thibaut-René de Kergariou-Locmaria (report by the marquis Beauharnais de Beaumont, Governor) Extract : "La Sardoine coming from Rochefort (France) (...) needed mast repair. Moreover, some crew members and a rowboat that had to stay at a small port on the Spanish coast were to be replaced and the corvette has not been able to leave for Saint-Domingue before tomorrow (...)". Sources : http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/ark:/61561/zn401mnmlgk https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thibaut-René_Kergariou-Locmaria
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    Ship model : http://gerard.delacroix.pagesperso-orange.fr/expo/expo.htm Looking forward to new pics of WIP NA Pandora
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    I'd really like to see them also with such a nice paint scheme !!!
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    Proposal for a similar and contemporary French Corvette by baron Bombelle 1782 20 x 6-pdr Dimensions (pieds du Roi) : Length from rabbet of stern to rabbet of sternpost at the load waterline : 112' Breadth overall to outside of frame : 28' Depth in hold from top of the keel to the line of the deck at the middle line : 14' 3" Source : Boudriot, Historique de la Corvette, p. 24-25
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    La Perdrix (translation : The Partridge) (Sister ships : La Fauvette, La Favorite, L'Alouette, 1783-1785) French 6-pdr Corvette 1784 20 guns Lower-deck plan Upper-deck plan Built by the baron Bombelle in Rochefort. Armament : 20 x 6-pdr Dimensions : Length from rabbet of stern to rabbet of sternpost at the load waterline : 112' Breadth overall to outside of frame : 28' Depth in hold from top of the keel to the line of the deck at the middle line : 14.3' Sources : Boudriot, Historique de la Corvette, p. 30. http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83408.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_corvette_Perdrix_(1784) https://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=15289 Thx to @Malachi
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    1) Everything on La Palme, L' Anémone and L' Amarante (plans, history, naval sculpture) here : http://gerard.delacroix.pagesperso-orange.fr/Ama/plaquette.htm 2) I'd like to know more on La Sardoine, 1757, especially have a better look on her decoration than what can be seen on her British plans. Slightly bigger than the 3 other, made by another builder and being able to carry up to 18 guns.
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    Are the original colors of the decoration of these ships known ? As on Malachi's pic above : Royal blue for the background ? Gold for the woodwork and patterns ? White for the drapery ? Pink for the skin ?
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    L'Anémone (sister ship of L'Amarante, see plans and info in OP) French 4-pdr Corvette 1747 12 guns Stern and quarter gallery decoration Ship model : http://5500.forumactif.org/t2348p250-l-anemone-l-amarante-au-1-36-par-eric-lemaillet
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    This plan simply entitled 'Plan of a corvette carrying 20 x 6-pdr' was made by Bombelle in 1782 (certainly with Segondat-Duvernet's help), just before four of his Corvettes that carried 20 x 6-pdr were launched : La Fauvette, La Perdrix, La Favorite, L'Alouette (1783-1785). They share the same dimensions. But the plans of these corvettes haven't been kept (if I ain't mistaken). So the only link between these corvettes and the proposal is that they have been made by the same 'builder' at the same time with the same dimensions. At least, it shows us Bombell's way of imagining Corvettes carrying 20 x 6-pdr. The decoration is very pared-down to say the least. Speaking of American War of independence, this drawing, although generic and modern, is pure gold
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    However, some small differences according to Boudriot : La Palme (1744) : Length between perpendiculars : 85.5' Breadth overall to outside of frame : 22.8' Depth in hold from top of the keel to the line of the deck at the middle line : 10.6' L'Anémone and L'Amarante (1747) Length between perpendiculars : 84' Breadth overall to outside of frame : 22' Depth in hold from top of the keel to the line of the deck at the middle line : 10' Ollivier might have made some small modifications between 1744 and 1747. or these feet are not Pieds du Roi : On the other hand, threedecks name them sister ships. And Delacroix ?
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    Speaking of sculpture decoration, I like that of La Sardoine. Sorry for the bad resolution. Certainly only rough drawings of the real decoration (= British plan). 1) Her stern decoration looks a bit 'sober' (= smaller figures, more (?) windows than on L'Anémone ) : shells/flowers + two small sitting putti holding a badge above the windows, a badge similar to that of L'Amarante : La Sardoine Badge of L'Amarante 2) And the figurehead looks identical to that of L'Anémone, the chest and head of a naked woman carrying something (a sardius ?) : La Sardoine L'Anémone Conclusion : nice decoration and heavier armament. I might vote for La Sardoine. I guess there's no available drawings of the decoration of La Sardoine.
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    Thank you, @Malachi as you (almost) answer what should have been my next question and that was : La Palme (1744), L'Anémone and L'Amarante (1747) have been built from the same plan and can be considered as sister ships. According to Delacroix, we are fortunate that the Archives have kept : their shared plan their specific sculpture décoration I know the naval sculpture of L'Amarante (see OP) but not those of La Palme and L'Anémone. Can someone share them ? @Malachi : as the French saying goes, "Les grands esprits se rencontrent" (ppl usually add : "et les petits aussi..." )
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    An interesting point about her (from NA point of view) is that she seems to have been bought by the Royal Navy in Jamaica (according to 3decks).
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    Maybe IRL. But in game, you can fight against the Lynx, the Basic Cutter and even the Privateer, the Pickle, the 6-pdr Cutter or the Brig (Fair American) while looking real good. Because those 4-pdr Corvettes definitely look nicer than more modern ships ! Small ships also need love (even if they've already been quite a few in game). They are not newb's ships. They're great. Quite a few players including myself like them (OW hunting, fast combat...).
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    Little sum-up of the 4-pdr French corvettes ('three-masted ships', 'ship sloops') of NA shipyard, built in the middle of the 18th century and carrying between 12-18 guns : The smallest one with a length (pieds du Roi) = 76' : La Perle, 1744 The best-documented one with the most beautifull hull : L'Amarante, 1747 The most powerful one with up to 18 guns (and well-documented too) : La Sardoine, 1757 The one made by the youngest builder, Joseph-Louis Ollivier at the age of 15 : La Palme, 1744 Which one is your favorite ?
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    La Perle (translation : The Pearl) French 4-pdr Corvette A very small (three-masted) ship sloop with a length = 76' (pieds du Roi) 1744 12 guns Drawings by C.-P. Caffiéri, SHM D1 68 Archives of the Port at Toulon (France), 1 L 442.I2. n° 1 Dimensions (pieds du Roi) : Length between perpendiculars : 76' Breadth overall to outside of frame : 20.8' Depth in hold from top of the keel to the line of the deck at the middle line : 9' Armament : historical : 12 x 3-pdr, then 12 x 4-pdr in-game suggestion : 12 x 4-pdr (broadside weight = 24 pdr) Built in Brest by J. Chapelle, under the orders of Blaise Ollivier. Sources : J. Boudriot, Historique de la Corvette, p. 19-21. https://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=15570
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    Historical / in-game armament : 14 or 16 (even 18 ?) x 4-pdr (28 / 32 / 36? pds) --> Challenge 1, gap 1
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    As Sella22 put it : Certainly more. Now, generally speaking, IMHO, I prefer having in game the nicest ships whatever their nationality (Danish, French, British, Swedish, Dutch, Russian...) than having balanced numbers of ships from each of what you call 'the most importanted/influencial nations'. #beautyfirst
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    Watching Swedish or Danish ships, I clearly see why one would like to have them in game. They are just amazing. Hoping more will be in game. Examples : PS : there will be dutch ships in game so everything is ok.
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    Summing up of the proposals Challenge 2 : ship sloops
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    What I know about the sea journeys of French 4-pdr Corvettes carrying about 12 guns and built in the middle of the 18th century (from threedecks.org) : L'Amarante was built in Brest (Brittany) and was wrecked La Palme was built in Brest, 'bound to some part of the West Indies' and captured in the Bay of Biscay by the British La Sardoine was built in Nantes, then also captured in the Bay of Biscay. She then sailed for the West Indies and New York.
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    For the Challenge 2 (ship sloops), two French corvettes carrying 20 x 6-pdr (bw = 60 pds) : Proposal for a French Corvette 1782 20 x 6-pdr Dimensions (pieds du Roi) : Length from rabbet of stern to rabbet of sternpost at the load waterline : 112' Breadth overall to outside of frame : 28' Depth in hold from top of the keel to the line of the deck at the middle line : 14' 3" Source : Boudriot, Historique de la Corvette, p. 24-25
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    For the Challenge 2 (ship sloops), two French corvettes carrying 18 x 6-pdr (bw = 54 pds) : Le Chevert Privateer 18 x 6-pdr 1759 renamed HMS Pomona after capture (François Chevert was a general in Louis XV's army) http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/84013.htmlhttp://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=5861 A typical French Corvette of the American War of Independence Contribution by @Surcouf 18 x 6-pdr L'Heureuse Harmonie Contribution by @Surcouf 18 x 6-pdr
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