Willem van der Decken Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Other site, lots of plans, but haven't had the time to look at them. Also I'm using a tablet for the time being, my PC has just died. Need to build a new one. Site is in Dutch (Nationaal Archief). http://www.gahetna.nl/collectie/archief/ead/index/eadid/4.MST/node/c01%3A0.c02%3A0.c03%3A0.c04%3A0.c05%3A4.c06%3A0./open/c01:0.c02:0.c03:0.c04:0.c05:4.c06:0.#c01:0.c02:0.c03:0.c04:0.c05:4.c06:0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicked Mouse Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Other site, lots of plans, but haven't had the time to look at them. Also I'm using a tablet for the time being, my PC has just died. Need to build a new one. Site is in Dutch (Nationaal Archief). http://www.gahetna.nl/collectie/archief/ead/index/eadid/4.MST/node/c01%3A0.c02%3A0.c03%3A0.c04%3A0.c05%3A4.c06%3A0./open/c01:0.c02:0.c03:0.c04:0.c05:4.c06:0.#c01:0.c02:0.c03:0.c04:0.c05:4.c06:0. The database is nice, but the national archive site I just linked in the post before you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicked Mouse Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 here's most of the pages of the book Dutch Warships in the Age of Sail: https://books.google.nl/books?id=i-WZBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA286&lpg=PA286&source=bl&ots=XCviqDfcDH&sig=v-L5q6YDnurmZ3RFjtP5Wrgxp_E&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZuJWju8bLAhWHXhQKHc4xCQUQ6AEIMDAE#v=onepage&q&f=false Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem van der Decken Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Information on Linieship De Ruyter (1808-1818). http://www.maritiemdigitaal.nl/index.cfm?event=search.getadvancedsearch&shipname=Admiraal+de+Ruyter You have to pay to get the pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 90-gun, Admiraal de Ruyter, 1808 SOL Link: http://i.imgur.com/2jffHC5.png http://i.imgur.com/t6sEsv1.png Source: NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 13-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roelandus Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 85 Also known as: 'Eendragt'. 40-gun, Eendracht, 1797, Frigate Link: http://i.imgur.com/FKRY4As.png http://i.imgur.com/w2rsrMc.png Source: NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 103 Found some extra info on her, she was actually a 44 gun, with an armament of 28 24 pd guns and 16 12 pd guns. So damn i wish we had this ship in game, ultimate Dutch Frigate! Here some more about her history: http://warshipsresearch.blogspot.nl/2014/07/dutch-44-guns-frigate-eendracht-1795.html Also i think the following ship is the exact same design, cause on the plans no name is stated (so a generic base design) and the ornamental designs missing/different. And you can see more of the interior parts on this one. 40-gun, Amphirite, 1796, Frigate Edited April 7, 2016 by Roelandus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicked Mouse Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) That one looks different from the 1790 drawing (built in Harlingen from 1769 to 1770), in which it is said to have 24 guns: Edited April 7, 2016 by Wicked Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roelandus Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 That one looks different from the 1790 drawing (built in Harlingen from 1769 to 1770), in which it is said to have 24 guns: Yeah same name but completely different ships, also it is built 27 years earlier. So i guess it was lost/destroyed and the name came free again for a new ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicked Mouse Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 I found this drawing of the bow of De Beschermer, "the Protector". But judging from the port hole configuration it cannot be from either the 1783 or 1735 ships: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicked Mouse Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) By the way, Het Rijksmuseum has a whole bunch of photos on their site of ship models. They're not drawings maybe, but could help with the construction of the 3D Dutch ship models. Like this one of the 44-gun frigate Euridice: https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/nl/zoeken/objecten?p=7&ps=12&f.hnrCode.section.sort=Special+Collections&f.hnrCode.hall.sort=0.13%3a+Marinemodellenkamer&ondisplay=True&ii=1#/NG-MC-663,73 This particular model, as the description tells, was used to teach young sailors about the names of all the rigging and could be operated. It was a detailed copy of the real frigate that served from 1802 to 1847. Edited April 8, 2016 by Wicked Mouse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeekoning Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) 18-gun, Unknown, 1800, Schoener Links: Source Imgur Edit: Didn't see it in Steel Sandwiches' earlier posts, but after looking over them again, this is already there. Edit 2: 28-gun, Dolfyn (Galathe, Lynx, Triton, Zeepaard), 1818, Corvette Links: Source Imgur Edited April 23, 2016 by Zeekoning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 is this the Eendraacht by chance? I mean: is this really her?: http://warshipsresearch.blogspot.de/2014/07/dutch-44-guns-frigate-eendracht-1795.html The shipmodel looks about right. armament is quite impressive: 28x24pd plus 16x12pd. If that is correct... no crew given tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 (edited) is this the Eendraacht by chance? I mean: is this really her?: http://warshipsresearch.blogspot.de/2014/07/dutch-44-guns-frigate-eendracht-1795.html The shipmodel looks about right. armament is quite impressive: 28x24pd plus 16x12pd. If that is correct... no crew given tho. Around 350-400, 425 max it is just a guess if you look purely at the load out she has less guns then the connie but the same gun pound as the connie of course it is not specified which Dutch pound they used. As a class gunamount 5rd, gun caliber 4rd so i would say it is in the same situation as the ingermanland, pocketbattleship(pocket SOL) my verdict pocketfrigatekiller Edited April 29, 2016 by pietjenoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted April 29, 2016 Author Share Posted April 29, 2016 Castor, 44-gun frigate 1786, for refference had 270 crew. Other 44-gunner would vary around 290 to 300. Looking at her my estimate would be between 275 and 325 crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 (edited) Castor, 44-gun frigate 1786, for refference had 270 crew. Other 44-gunner would vary around 290 to 300. Looking at her my estimate would be between 275 and 325 crew. Are those ships also in 28*24 pound+16*12pound layout? Edited April 29, 2016 by pietjenoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 If any of you have a similar kind of model which shows deck surroundings and the like it would be awesome. I am having a go at the Eendracht in Blender but since information about her is scarse I fear that she will only ever exist in a rough hullshape. Already it is hard to model her with the split plan which is out of proportion to each image. But if any of you can give me a good link to one or more of these dutch heavy frigates I will be able to get an idea about her looks. After all the plans do not provide deck appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roelandus Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) Hey Bungee i wish you good luck on modeling her, cause i think she is very pretty! In my post earlier on this page i linked a 2nd set of hull design "1796 Amphirite/nameless" which is basically the same as the Eendracht but with different ornaments (Basic hull edition for it's class i guess). And have been looking for more info on the Eendracht, but can't find anything else really. Edited May 12, 2016 by Roelandus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Since I did not get any more detail and given the fact that the ship plans are not good enough for me to use I didnt even start on her. The plans are extremely well resoluted but they are out of shape. The person who scanned her is screwed up hard. They are tilted to each other and the scanns are distorted.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roelandus Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Oh that sucks real bad, some people can't do basic shit like scanning right.... Well maybe proper scans float around somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rackham the Red Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 When I first saw this ship in a book, I´ve loved it ever since. I have however not been luck to find any plans for Her, so if anyone could help me that would be highly appreciated! I do wish the ship will be added somepoint in the game in some form. Dutch East Indianman 1723 "Zeven Provicien" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted May 16, 2016 Author Share Posted May 16, 2016 Read this: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66379.html Scale: 1:33. A contemporary full hull model of the 'Zeven Provincien' (1723), a Dutch East Indiaman cargo vessel, built plank on frame. Model is decked, equipped and fully rigged (modern). At this scale the ship measured 147 feet along the deck by 44 feet in the beam and an approximate tonnage of 1150 burden. Although this model cannot be identified to a ship bearing this name, it is one of seven of the period 1715-1725 that are among the earliest representations of merchant ships in existence. The Dutch East India Company was founded in 1598 to open up trade with India and the Far East. Other countries had similar fleets operating around the world from the 17th-19th centuries, and as such had to be armed against attack from pirates or the enemy during times of conflict. The ships were generally ‘fully built’ with large holds for carrying cargo and provisions for many weeks. They carried an armament similar in size to that of a warship but with a much smaller crew. There are plenty of dutch models that were made that are not based on real ships, often they are just general impressions of how a ship(type) looked like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeekoning Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 (edited) 22-gun, Triton, 1753 Link: http://i.imgur.com/dOhC3rk.jpg Edit: Some alternative plans for the Venus and Lynx (1806) Link: http://imgur.com/a/gM6Tf Edited May 29, 2016 by Zeekoning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Model of the SoL "Washington" http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66552.html but no data about guns. data about the SoL "Chattam", 80 guns 3rd rate: http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=793 she was refitted in 1801 and reclassified as a 90 gun 2nd rate 80-gun, Chattam, 1799, SOL Link:http://i.imgur.com/Cj059jS.png edit: I took these ships from steel's list! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roelandus Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I like the Chattam, nice ship and even better name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) Yep for the dutch reading people look at de tocht naar chattam for the nondutch the raid on medway then you will get the reference. I still like to talk about it with english people only saying the name is enough to annoy them Edited June 2, 2016 by pietjenoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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