BungeeLemming Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I was digging this ship a bit and shame upon my head - she was in the latest player voted ship poll. "Wait wut? There was no Chattam"" Nope but the Admiral de Ruyter is from the same plans. Same ship. The description for her was uncomplete. Yes she was a 90 gun ship. But she started her career as an 80 gunner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 Indeed, the Wreker-Class contained several ships, including: Wreker, Chattam, Admiraal de ruyter, Admiraal tromp, Admiraal Zoutman, Admiraal Evertsen and several others I am going to try and find more about the washington, always interesting to do a search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 Model of the SoL "Washington" http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66552.html but no data about guns. data about the SoL "Chattam", 80 guns 3rd rate: http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=793 she was refitted in 1801 and reclassified as a 90 gun 2nd rate 80-gun, Chattam, 1799, SOL Link:http://i.imgur.com/Cj059jS.png edit: I took these ships from steel's list! Regarding the Washington: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idle Champion Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 I'm curious why De Zeven Provincien either isn't included or was removed from the list - it does have its own thread with some very good plans, pictures, and models (http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/4775-de-zeven-provinci%C3%ABn-dutch-warship-1665-with-plans/) and its mentioned in the overall list (http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/4389-list-of-ships-and-plans-presented-so-far/) but isn't merged here. There's some mention of it being too old, but from the ship selection poll: Edit - H. Darby (Information based on the previous Ship Suggestion thread for 2015):Ships from the years: 1600-1830 hard limit, 1690-1790 preferred Please, when suggesting a ship, ask yourself - is this something that will be useful in the game, and that people will enjoy sailing and also, if it's a warship, fighting in/against? De Zeven Provincien isn't too old by the hard limit and was still in service by the 'preferred' window. It's definitely a worthwhile ship on its own merits - visually distinctive, historically significant, plenty of firepower in its full Third Anglo-Dutch War armament balanced by never being built to withstand 18th-century things like 24-pounders on the second gun deck or true three-deckers with 100+ cannons. Not to mention that the in-game Dutch nation still has no ship, the VOC's Amsterdam was replaced with an EIC Indiaman of Swedish design, and there's no shortage of Napoleonic ships. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlavDeng2 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 I cant find where its stated atm but the hard limit was changed to 1670-1830 at a later time and the Seven Provincien as far as i am aware was denied a couple of times, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 I cant find where its stated atm but the hard limit was changed to 1670-1830 at a later time and the Seven Provincien as far as i am aware was denied a couple of times, sadly. On what reason if I may ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlavDeng2 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 On what reason if I may ask? if she is out of the timeline she is out of the timeline. I dont know if this is the actual reason but that is what i have heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 Olav is correct, she has been proposed twice and rejected twice due to her age. For me it is one of the best lookings ships i have laid my eyes upon. I'm not a fan of the business-like look of later warships and i have a great appreciation for the grandeur of this time period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_De_Zeven_Provinci%C3%ABn then i am wondering we have 4 dutch ships who bear the same name. it can't that be none of them comes in the game. Edited June 16, 2016 by pietjenoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_De_Zeven_Provinci%C3%ABn then i am wondering we have 4 dutch ships who bear the same name. it can't that be none of them comes in the game. The moment you can show me a plan for either of the less famous 7-prov's, let me know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 The moment you can show me a plan for either of the less famous 7-prov's, let me know i will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idle Champion Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Yep - in the final poll thread - http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/8340-player-ship-selection-1st-half-2016-final-poll/ The time line was 1670-1825 acceptable, 1730-1790 preferred. De Zeven Provincien might have still been in service for the acceptable range, but its a 1665 build. A shame to deny it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 Yep - in the final poll thread - http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/8340-player-ship-selection-1st-half-2016-final-poll/ De Zeven Provincien might have still been in service for the acceptable range, but its a 1665 build. A shame to deny it. The difficulty lies in the precedent you set when you become lenient with the time frame. A good example would be the Sovereign of the Seas (Sovereign, Royal Sovereign) which was launched in 1637 and burned in 1697. Since she is in the preferred time, do you accept her? Albeit she was build before line tactics were even used. I don't doubt for a second that she could stand her ground in a battle in 1780, yet many of her time would not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) Well i found a PDF with the scalemodel of the 1694 and the 1782 so that should mean that there are build plans some were. http://www.modelbouwers.nl/modelbouwtekeningen/Catalogus%20schepen.pdf page 18 https://shop.strato.com/epages/64899739.sf/nl_NL/?ObjectPath=/Shops/64899739/Products/10.01.016(7 Provinciën 1782) https://shop.strato.com/epages/64899739.sf/nl_NL/?ObjectPath=/Shops/64899739/Products/10.01.015(7 Provinciën 1694) Edited June 22, 2016 by pietjenoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Lines and deck plans for HMS Penguin (former Comeet) from British archives (lines from Dutch archives already posted). source: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections.html#!csearch;authority=vessel-323820;browseBy=vessel;vesselFacetLetter=P I think she is interesting both for her unique looks and her provision for fore and aft chasers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeekoning Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 The Wild card has not been chosen yet. We plan to have another poll in autumn. The reason I think a Dutch ship wasn't picked last time was because the votes were split due to people wanting differing qualities in the selected ship. While I wanted a ship that could stand up to end-game ships, others wanted a beautiful ship, while others wanted a ship with a proud history. Since I do not want our vote to be split again, which ship do you think has all/most of these qualities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 (edited) The 7 provincien?? It has a proud history. If need be can defend it self with a broadside which surpasses the bellona's and pavels maybe even buc with ease and is looking beautifull at the same tome Edited August 12, 2016 by pietjenoob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeekoning Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 While I would love to have it in the game, the Devs have stated that it's out of the timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 While I would love to have it in the game, the Devs have stated that it's out of the timeline. I know but has it all i shall do a bit of digging if i can find the 1782 variant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Well as promised my topic about the 7 Provinciën the things steel snd me could find on the subject. http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/16385-7-provinciën-1782/#entry312165 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I have to say there are some really nice ships on here now, the ships that stand out to me so far as my favourites have to be Haai (1801), Castor (1758), Jason (1772), Prinses Frederika Louise Wilhelmina (1789), De Maas, (1728), Delft (1782), 82-gun unknown (1800) and Admiraal de Ruyter (1808)If I had to pick from those I would say my top 3 are Jason, Admiraal de Ruyter and Delft. Its a shame there are no water lines for De Maas, she is a really nice ship above the water, she would compliment the lack of earlier designs in the game too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 Maybe if we spam the pray button often enough it will result in them being build! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted October 8, 2016 Author Share Posted October 8, 2016 im ready to add another batch of ships to this list, the problem is that the images are of such high quality that i can't find any uploader to support them. If anyone has a suggestion, it is most welcome. We are talking roughly 16-18mb and resolution 12000x8000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted October 8, 2016 Author Share Posted October 8, 2016 To add to the list: 0-gun, Kofship (merchant ship type, not name), roughly 1750-1770 In 1818 a series of ships was build, consisting of the Lynx, Dolfijn, Zeepaard and Galathe. A few years later (1825) an improved version would be build, in which the forecastle bulwark would be heightened. All ships share the same lines, here below are their plans and decorations. 28-gun, Lynx & Dolfijn, 1818 28-gun, Zeepaard, 1818 28-gun, Galathe, 1818 28-gun, Triton, 1825 (not game relevant, just interesting) Similar hull lines as the 1808 Lynx & Venus, but different internals, the 1820's proserpina: Other ships: 70-gun, Admiraal Tromp, 1808 24-gun, Hellevoetssluis, 1707 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yngvarr Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Question: where do you find all these plans? Observation: i find the dev's timeframe for "Age of Sail" somewhat on the small side...since it's actually a period roughly from 1650 to 1815. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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