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Other site, lots of plans, but haven't had the time to look at them.

Also I'm using a tablet for the time being, my PC has just died.

Need to build a new one.

Site is in Dutch (Nationaal Archief).

http://www.gahetna.nl/collectie/archief/ead/index/eadid/4.MST/node/c01%3A0.c02%3A0.c03%3A0.c04%3A0.c05%3A4.c06%3A0./open/c01:0.c02:0.c03:0.c04:0.c05:4.c06:0.#c01:0.c02:0.c03:0.c04:0.c05:4.c06:0.

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Other site, lots of plans, but haven't had the time to look at them.

Also I'm using a tablet for the time being, my PC has just died.

Need to build a new one.

Site is in Dutch (Nationaal Archief).

http://www.gahetna.nl/collectie/archief/ead/index/eadid/4.MST/node/c01%3A0.c02%3A0.c03%3A0.c04%3A0.c05%3A4.c06%3A0./open/c01:0.c02:0.c03:0.c04:0.c05:4.c06:0.#c01:0.c02:0.c03:0.c04:0.c05:4.c06:0.

The database is nice, but the national archive site I just linked in the post before you :D

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NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 85

 

Also known as: 'Eendragt'.

40-gun, Eendracht, 1797, Frigate

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NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 103

 

 

Found some extra info on her, she was actually a 44 gun, with an armament of 28 24 pd guns and 16 12 pd guns.

So damn i wish we had this ship in game, ultimate Dutch Frigate!

 

Here some more about her history:

http://warshipsresearch.blogspot.nl/2014/07/dutch-44-guns-frigate-eendracht-1795.html

 

Also i think the following ship is the exact same design, cause on the plans no name is stated (so a generic base design) and the ornamental designs missing/different.

And you can see more of the interior parts on this one.

 

40-gun, Amphirite, 1796, Frigate

 

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That one looks different from the 1790 drawing (built in Harlingen from 1769 to 1770), in which it is said to have 24 guns:

 

Yeah same name but completely different ships, also it is built 27 years earlier.

So i guess it was lost/destroyed and the name came free again for a new ship.

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By the way, Het Rijksmuseum has a whole bunch of photos on their site of ship models. They're not drawings maybe, but could help with the construction of the 3D Dutch ship models. Like this one of the 44-gun frigate Euridice:

https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/nl/zoeken/objecten?p=7&ps=12&f.hnrCode.section.sort=Special+Collections&f.hnrCode.hall.sort=0.13%3a+Marinemodellenkamer&ondisplay=True&ii=1#/NG-MC-663,73

 

This particular model, as the description tells, was used to teach young sailors about the names of all the rigging and could be operated. It was a detailed copy of the real frigate that served from 1802 to 1847.

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is this the Eendraacht by chance? I mean: is this really her?:

http://warshipsresearch.blogspot.de/2014/07/dutch-44-guns-frigate-eendracht-1795.html

The shipmodel looks about right.

armament is quite impressive:

28x24pd plus 16x12pd. If that is correct...

no crew given tho.

Around 350-400, 425 max it is just a guess if you look purely at the load out she has less guns then the connie but the same gun pound as the connie of course it is not specified which Dutch pound they used. As a class gunamount 5rd, gun caliber 4rd so i would say it is in the same situation as the ingermanland, pocketbattleship(pocket SOL) my verdict pocketfrigatekiller Edited by pietjenoob
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Castor, 44-gun frigate 1786, for refference had 270 crew. Other 44-gunner would vary around 290 to 300.

Looking at her my estimate would be between 275 and 325 crew.

Are those ships also in 28*24 pound+16*12pound layout? Edited by pietjenoob
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If any of you have a similar kind of model which shows deck surroundings and the like it would be awesome.

I am having a go at the Eendracht in Blender but since information about her is scarse I fear that she will only ever exist in a rough hullshape.

Already it is hard to model her with the split plan which is out of proportion to each image.

 

But if any of you can give me a good link to one or more of these dutch heavy frigates I will be able to get an idea about her looks.

After all the plans do not provide deck appearance.

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Hey Bungee i wish you good luck on modeling her, cause i think she is very pretty!

In my post earlier on this page i linked a 2nd set of hull design "1796 Amphirite/nameless" which is basically the same as the Eendracht but with different ornaments (Basic hull edition for it's class i guess).

 

And have been looking for more info on the Eendracht, but can't find anything else really.

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Since I did not get any more detail and given the fact that the ship plans are not good enough for me to use I didnt even start on her.

The plans are extremely well resoluted but they are out of shape. The person who scanned her is screwed up hard. They are tilted to each other and the scanns are distorted..

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When I first saw this ship in a book, I´ve loved it ever since. I have however not been luck to find any plans for Her, so if anyone could help me that would be highly appreciated! I do wish the ship will be added somepoint in the game in some form.

 

Dutch East Indianman 1723 "Zeven Provicien"

 

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Read this:

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66379.html

 

Scale: 1:33. A contemporary full hull model of the 'Zeven Provincien' (1723), a Dutch East Indiaman cargo vessel, built plank on frame. Model is decked, equipped and fully rigged (modern). At this scale the ship measured 147 feet along the deck by 44 feet in the beam and an approximate tonnage of 1150 burden. Although this model cannot be identified to a ship bearing this name, it is one of seven of the period 1715-1725 that are among the earliest representations of merchant ships in existence. The Dutch East India Company was founded in 1598 to open up trade with India and the Far East. Other countries had similar fleets operating around the world from the 17th-19th centuries, and as such had to be armed against attack from pirates or the enemy during times of conflict. The ships were generally ‘fully built’ with large holds for carrying cargo and provisions for many weeks. They carried an armament similar in size to that of a warship but with a much smaller crew.

 

There are plenty of dutch models that were made that are not based on real ships, often they are just general impressions of how a ship(type) looked like.

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Model of the SoL "Washington"

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66552.html

but no data about guns.

 

 

data about the SoL "Chattam", 80 guns 3rd rate:

http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=793

she was refitted in 1801 and reclassified as a 90 gun 2nd rate

 

80-gun, Chattam, 1799, SOL

 

edit: I took these ships from steel's list!

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Yep for the dutch reading people look at de tocht naar chattam for the nondutch the raid on medway then you will get the reference. I still like to talk about it with english people only saying the name is enough to annoy them

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