Darius Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Tonnant-clas ship of the line captured by Royal Navy after one year of service in French Navy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Sans_Pareil_%281794%29 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Le Sans Pareil. General plans by Sané, 80-gun of the second part. 1787-1800. 1790-1794 for the French Navy. 182' 6"; 47'; 23' 6" 1st deck gun : 30-gun of 36 -pdr 2nd deck gun : 32-gun of 24-pdr Forecastle : 18-gun of 12-pdr and 6 howitzer of 36-pdr total : 86-gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epaminondas Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Beautifull beast ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Its nice but i would really want to see temeraire class first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epaminondas Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 You mean this temeraire class ? Another beautifull Sané design : It is needed also indeed but we need 2nd rate more imho. We already have a 74 ship of the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigand Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 for anyone wondering about the row of 'flags' hanging from the yards in the picture in the post above me, they are hammocks hanging out to dry. ~Brigand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvenski Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Its nice but i would really want to see temeraire class first We already have a 74 ship of the line. I think 3rd Rates are my favorite types of SoLs, so the more of them, the better, IMO. I'd especially like to see a Tonnant-class and/or a Bucentaure-class ship in-game, just because they're the most heavily armed (number of guns-wise) two-deckers that I know of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epaminondas Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I think we have another one in the timeframe : the 90 guns Suffren class designed in 1824. Then we had the 100 guns Hercule class, some of the biggest two decker ever built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Le Suffren, l'Hercule, and others are design of the Commission of the Paris of 1824. Sané was part of the commission. Just for validate the plans (with other). The ships of the Commission are very different to Sané-Borda type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvenski Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) I think we have another one in the timeframe : the 90 guns Suffren class designed in 1824. Then we had the 100 guns Hercule class, some of the biggest two decker ever built. *Wikipedia search* The Suffren-class ships look like three-deckers to me, judging by this model... And the Hercule-class ships were kinda late for this game, as far as I know. (Sorry for probably bringing up the timeline debate again, but 1836 sounds a bit late for this game, from what I've read on here.) Besides, they both have that late flush-deck design, which I find pretty ugly. Edited March 12, 2015 by Arvenski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Le Friedland : 1807-1814 Sane Antwerp Same size and even the artillery Sans Pareil. http://mnm.webmuseo.com/ws/musee-national-marine/app/collection/record/9028?vc=ePkH4LF7lVddbtswDL6K0QsMGLADZG2HbViwYlj7Wig247CQJU2UsvT2-yjLipv0ZQ9FyU8URfM_1-PpZpkgnz7e_E-CfLj20SoOrT4yD91EA5tu8H-d9WZQZWrYD0QQYv2BthSpc3mi6L-5Y6XuKPhU6c9MTvnO5BQJHUpB0RzoOVh2BNqj54K4237pnJ_QBG3p8hghAwFgZxJ7hzoc6PS8hqQzIZC16_MVAtUkPM6yT1Bo-qak4VIPEqt9MCDBkvNxR05o0iEwRp8DJPpIVfusq_CU48JT7y0tjGXKp9t6o2Ij-TGacGD6Cj_6yMiXJkJHcgQfpIYUi36RsSz13REiQk1bYfzuhZJsRHzPeP2gmn9SPiI8kl7tIj3TAesSC3RhnsyPaCOLHAo9AUJY5T79pv7g1Lzlc5ajyqbzueQQUFJSMiZP-l-ySk4mqsA99ob2hJwteIN6hNagOeBCZ5yxr0higqjAH7Od-Nqo3ngDki0eu4TbG7J5V9eAsF1Agh2qv9IvnOjWW0s9xr_Z7_mECqDcILtm-kpoQkyUDmh87exsUYNy4iWw1akrRC6gonQuJN0E5HF1uSXO45XGkoTX8Ht5uJY6W7tGMVFbKmr_STnJ9xx5mPNAG_2m_5NxsUgcdetSswc0ATFYdEJEQve1fB2yFeNVNiGgk5EDoB0hek6y9dHkU2UeTIqMnZcVWtvwQHEyDt-N0AjaY8KeRxELFAMaI0I3VxAanlrbwTT8ee587na8s4xuhAXAz_YiB3eiC2btH7zfZykuG7Tw6Rlm6jfyXqllhXgyLEIml18yy-T4B_mgOgw$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epaminondas Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Indeed Arvenski you are right on this, the suffren seems to have a complete third battery : An interesting design but too late for the game indeed + paixhans guns should be pretty op if they had to be represented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Le Suffren is like a small three decks, it is true. 1823-1861 Built in 1823 in Cherbourg. 60,28m - 15,75m - 8,02m 30-gun of 30-pdr long 32-gun of 30-pdr short 24 carronades of 30-pdr + 4 of 18-pdr http://dominique.marsac.free.fr/pages/images/suffren1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvenski Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Le Sans Pareil. General plans by Sané, 80-gun of the second part. 1787-1800. 1790-1794 for the French Navy. 182' 6"; 47'; 23' 6" 1st deck gun : 30-gun of 36 -pdr 2nd deck gun : 32-gun of 24-pdr Forecastle : 18-gun of 12-pdr and 6 howitzer of 36-pdr total : 86-gun. Out of curiosity, how effective were those howitzers, compared to standard cannons or carronades of the same caliber? I barely know anything about the howitzers of that time; they seem to me like an odd choice of weapon in this case. What was it about them that made them preferable, in this instance, to just carrying 6 more cannons or carronades? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Connor Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Out of curiosity, how effective were those howitzers, compared to standard cannons or carronades of the same caliber? I barely know anything about the howitzers of that time; they seem to me like an odd choice of weapon in this case. What was it about them that made them preferable, in this instance, to just carrying 6 more cannons or carronades? Took the French a while to replicate carronades successfully, they substituted howitzers in the meanwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles-René Magon Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Le Suffren and L'Hercule are two deckers (and not three decks !). She have a complete third battery because in 1822, the French have assembled the "Forecastles" (gaillard d'avant et gaillard d'arrière in french) on the spar deck of their ships and frigates. For example, a french 118-gun (le Wagram) in the 1830s : We see that this ship have a complete fourth battery Edited March 13, 2015 by Charles-René Magon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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