Mass Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Im very intrested in those 74s and the reason is that they have so much more soul in my mind than the 1st rates and the Bellerophon is the finest British ship out there but i know the ship list is long but i have made a long list about to get more french or get the Téméraire-class ship of the line because she is the type of my favorite ship the Redoutable and the Bellerophon catches my eye just as the Redoutable does and if there is a ship that i think is as worthy as the Téméraire to come to the game it must be this i know there already is Bellona but this could be another British alternative when its later in the game and i could post some pictures of Bellerophon to get you all in love with the beauty. ;3 The thing i want to see is this or Téméraire so if somone has made somthing like this in those programs i would be happy to see one made. please.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry d'Esterre Darby Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Ahh Bellerophon. She did such a wonderful job for me at the Nile. Excellent ship. She was an Arrogant class, but they were very similar to the Bellona class were they not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 Yes she was close resembled the Bellona yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 The Arrogant class ships were designed as a development of Slade's previous Bellona class, sharing the same basic dimensions. During this period, the original armament was the same across all the ships of the common class, of which the Arrogant class ships were members. Two ships were ordered on 13 December 1758 to this design (as the same time as the fourth and fifth units of the Bellona class), and a further ten ships were built to a slightly modified version of the Arrogant design from 1773 onwards. so basicly same as bellona and from the same shipbuilder/designer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 The body plan, sheer lines, and longitudinal half-breadth for building Cornwall (1761), Arrogant (1761), and Kent (1762), and later for Defence (1763), Edgar (1779), Goliath (1781),Vanguard (1787), Excellent (1787), Saturn (1786), Elephant (1786), Illustrious (1789), Bellerophon (1786), Zealous (1785), and Audacious (1785), all 74-gun Third Rate, two-deckers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry d'Esterre Darby Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Doing a little more reading, it seems that the only real change was with the hull form itself. Not sure how different it was compared to the Bellona class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Top plan is Bellona 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry d'Esterre Darby Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Brilliant, thank you Wind. The poop seems a little higher, but the hull itself on the Arrogant seems more streamlined. I wonder if this would provide superior speed/turning abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Connor Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Are you sure that top picture is the Bellona? Looks like a later ship to me... This plan is for the Bellona. Very nearly identical to the Arrogant class, you'd have a hard time telling them apart. As has been mentioned in this thread the only real difference was in underwater hull shape (variation between classes as Slade experimented with different hull lines) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdguy Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 The problem with 74 gun ships is that any of them are probably not going to different enough from the existing 74, the Bellona. My vote would actually be to add a 90 gun 2nd rate ship of the line, not another 3rd rate 74 gun ship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austrum Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 The problem with 74 gun ships is that any of them are probably not going to different enough from the existing 74, the Bellona. My vote would actually be to add a 90 gun 2nd rate ship of the line, not another 3rd rate 74 gun ship. Your probably right, at least for the initial ships selection. Still I think adding in several 74-gun ships from different nationalities at some point is a good idea. Someone I'm sure is going to want to be a purist roleplayer and only want to use English, French, Spanish, etc ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 the problem is that every ship after the original french one is a copy of a copy's copy only the later ones where the decks are flat and not curved but these are past the 1820 time around 1830+ i would only take the 74's wich have a complet diffrent stern designe for telling them apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass Posted February 13, 2015 Author Share Posted February 13, 2015 Well if we need an 90th gun we could add HMS Barfleur which is a Britsih second rate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Are you sure that top picture is the Bellona? Looks like a later ship to me... This plan is for the Bellona. Very nearly identical to the Arrogant class, you'd have a hard time telling them apart. As has been mentioned in this thread the only real difference was in underwater hull shape (variation between classes as Slade experimented with different hull lines) Thanks, I linked the wrong plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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