Eliminate Nations

[Grundgemunkey]

51 minutes ago, Bearwall said:

The flag system did have it's own faults and problems, but could've been changed with a few tweaks. I agree that the hostility system is no really a success, I doubt anyone is saying otherwise. And I agree that most players don't read forums and don't vote in the ridicolous polls - they vote with their feet and their feets took them to EU server rather than the global. That's evidence that global is not a preferred choice. To say that players didn't leave because of the nightflips is untrue - we lost in dk/ng a lot of players, so did the spanish and the french. And no game, no game ever, is a success if it's the playerbase and not the mechanics that has to agree on when and how to flip a port. Remove the host system - I can live with that, but the timers should stay because the players have decided that is the way to go for the game. 

and im not saying that players didnt leave because of nightflips .. some probab;y did .... but the game never had a problem with nightflips before hostility was introduced ,,,, main reason is that if you lost a port you could pull a flag a day or so later and flip it back .... the stats prove it wasnt a problem ...

the players have not decided the current server split is a success....players have not migrated to eu ..  because the playerbase hasnt increased its still falling  ,,, I play on eu .. but it has nothing to do with the pb timers .. just where clan decided to play and as only a few are intrested in rvr  port battle timers didnt influence that either ..

you cant use the eu server is a success because more play there as justification ... iits like saying  sheep like farms because more are in farms than in wild

[Grundgemunkey]

2 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

Maybe GB didnt have any problem at all when its playerbase was 35% of the server.

Dont speak in behalf other nations.

im not speaking even on the behalf of GB nevermind other nations .... dont judge by your own standards ...

has the server split seen an increase in player base ... no

 

[Rebrall]

10 hours ago, Bearwall said:

The globals are free to join the EU server as it is, but the timers should stay put. Otherwise you'd just loose a lot more than you got.

 

7 hours ago, Intrepido said:

Maybe GB didnt have any problem at all when its playerbase was 35% of the server.

Dont speak in behalf other nations.

 

7 hours ago, Grundgemunkey said:

im not speaking even on the behalf of GB nevermind other nations .... dont judge by your own standards ...

has the server split seen an increase in player base ... no

 

I think the biggest thing you seem to forget about when you pushed a server split was you took away a lot of content by doing so by taking more hunters and traders of the water.

You say join the EU server but what about the RvR’s they cant RvR till the weekends only, if thats how it is then why not lock every port till the weekend and know one can do a PB till the weekend and make it a FFA event and at the end of the weekend rewards are handed out to those who have most points then the ports turn neutral again. Oh wait wouldn’t that mean we would have to have proper war companies 😲 

 

As I have said if the night flips were such a problem why was there never a conversation with the players to try organize a time that worked for you all?

and you can’t say it doesn’t work cause global can prove you wrong cause that exactly what happened.

 

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Rebrall said:

 

 

I think the biggest thing you seem to forget about when you pushed a server split was you took away a lot of content by doing so by taking more hunters and traders of the water. PvP problems has nothing to do with the numbers atm but the RoE, forts/towers, reinforcement zones and green zones. Some can work, but something has to go.

You say join the EU server but what about the RvR’s they cant RvR till the weekends only, if thats how it is then why not lock every port till the weekend and know one can do a PB till the weekend and make it a FFA event and at the end of the weekend rewards are handed out to those who have most points then the ports turn neutral again. Oh wait wouldn’t that mean we would have to have proper war companies 😲 I don't really care wether the globals join or not. If they want to do RvR they have a whole server to create content on.

 

As I have said if the night flips were such a problem why was there never a conversation with the players to try organize a time that worked for you all? Not really like there wasn't an attempt. I seem to recall a summit hosted by @Christendom where the US were basically ignoring the pleas of the euros. I can't see that anyone pushed harder for a serversplit than the US players. Besides, no agreement with or between players is acceptable - we work for a mechanic solution to improve the game overall and we got one. A regional server works.

and you can’t say it doesn’t work cause global can prove you wrong cause that exactly what happened. The fact that global is starting to arrange PBs proves that the global server doesn't function.

 

 

 

[Rebrall]

19 minutes ago, Bearwall said:

 

Can’t effectively debate this on my phone will do when I get home, it does however show why your attitude and those with similar attitude are the reason the game is f’d 

[Rebrall]

21 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

Your friend Christendom and Co. deliberately made nightflips (sometimes they didnt even show up) to piss off the nations of the enemy alliance. They werent interested in having fun, just in winning an advantage over other nations.

Again, mechanics must be solid to prevent a possible abuse by some players.

Im glad that GLOBAL server is so a lovely place full of joy and great gameplay, but old PVP1 has proven you are wrong because a lot of shit happened due to bad mechanics being on place.

So cause if a few there was a push to ruin the game for many and that ok is it ? Again no thought involved here 

[Guest]

55 minutes ago, Rebrall said:

Can’t effectively debate this on my phone will do when I get home, it does however show why your attitude and those with similar attitude are the reason the game is f’d 

Riiight.. Because it must be our fault that global don't work.. Can't be that global is a bad idea..

[Grundgemunkey]

41 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

Is unfair, isnt it?

A few in the PVP1 server had the power in their hands to ruin the game for many others. There is a lot of thoughts by Bearwall and me for those players who left the game because of exhaustion and despair (due to bad mechanics not being solved).

We cant take the risks of that events happening again.

how very noble of you   or how very selfish  you dont have any thought for those that have quit due to another bad mechanic.. put in place to solve a bad mechanic .... but hey who cares it suits you

we are not just talking about US players here ... Uk based players who work shifts or  early evening ,, have been effectively frozen out of game because of selective timers .. abut as i said you dont care because it suits you

[Grundgemunkey]

2 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

They have a GLOBAL server, without timers. 24/7 open for RvR.

 

But its not working ??  if it was they wouldnt want one server ...  750 players on 2 servers ... you would rather 250 quit ..so you can get your own way ..rather than comprimise ... how selfish is that

 

Edited October 29, 2017 by Grundgemunkey

[Rebrall]

16 minutes ago, Bearwall said:

Riiight.. Because it must be our fault that global don't work.. Can't be that global is a bad idea..

I’m talking about the fact that you would stab anyone in the back to have the game play your way again I will deal with your answers when I can actually answer them properly and have you not reply as usual cause you know I’m right period 

[Grundgemunkey]

Just now, Intrepido said:

100-200 players should never dictate the gameplay of 600. I find it more selfish.

You all speak of compromises, but still you havent proposed any acceptable one. The only proposals here is to get back to mechanics that never work well in the past. You arent making the game better with those proposals, you are making the game better for a minority, thats selfish.

acceptable to who .... your not the majority

plenty of acceptable compromises been put forward but the same minority saying thet are not acceptable ..

to use the most used line ... we are testing the game ,,,

we tested open 24/7 pbs didnt work open to abuse and players leave the game

we tested a eu and global server ... it has not worked players are leaving the game ... just because the eu server has more players than global doesnt mean eu is a success and global a failure  ... 500 players  on eu is a disaster

 

[Rebrall]

4 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

100-200 players should never dictate the gameplay of 600. I find it more selfish.

You all speak of compromises, but still you havent proposed any acceptable one. The only proposals here is to get back to mechanics that never work well in the past. You arent making the game better with those proposals, you are making the game better for a minority, thats selfish.

Clearly not all of those 600 are on your side and I will return some of your own advise to you don’t answer for the whole of the EU.

 

as for a compromise I will put a suggestion together and tag you in it, also why can’t you join the conversation and help make a suggestion that could work for us all instead of being judge and jury 

 

as for unfair there was a minority of EU upset with a minority of the the US players and split the majority of the US and oceanic community and you think you did the right thing I suggest you take a hard look at yourself and realize your no better then the people night flipping 

[Rebrall]

4 minutes ago, Grundgemunkey said:

acceptable to who .... your not the majority

plenty of acceptable compromises been put forward but the same minority saying thet are not acceptable ..

to use the most used line ... we are testing the game ,,,

we tested open 24/7 pbs didnt work open to abuse and players leave the game

we tested a eu and global server ... it has not worked players are leaving the game ... just because the eu server has more players than global doesnt mean eu is a success and global a failure  ... 500 players  on eu is a disaster

 

Just a foot note I have proved in this thread alone that the Eu is in a worse position then global % wise they were fortunate to have numbers is all 

[Grundgemunkey]

Just now, Intrepido said:

acceptable to who .... your not the majority

im certainly not the majority so why do you think your are ..... any comprimise trying to be inclusive of the  whole player base ... is far better than  a no

why dont you show that your not as selfish as you seem and come up with a comprimise of your own

 

[Rebrall]

6 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

No no, please dont get confused. I put a valid example that what happened some months ago in the PVP1 server.

I did that because I dont want the mistakes of the past happening again. The reference to Christendom and Co. was because he had give his point of view to this topic with an incredible lack of perspective and self criticism, he is not the best guy to talk about a server merge, at all.

I’m not disregarding your point or examples but seem to not realize the the minority have destroyed the player base and there is no forgive and forget so the game just dies,

as for Chris I listen to his points as well as yours and surmise my own,

no offense bearwall is also not good for the games future as he seems to completely selfish I may be wrong but he’s attitude in reply’s says otherwise 

Edited October 29, 2017 by Rebrall

[Grundgemunkey]

1 minute ago, Intrepido said:

No no, please dont get confused. I put a valid example that what happened some months ago in the PVP1 server.

I did that because I dont want the mistakes of the past happening again. The reference to Christendom and Co. was because he had give his point of view to this topic with an incredible lack of perspective and self criticism, he is not the best guy to talk about a server merge, at all.

maybe not but he paid the his hard earned cash to play the same as you did ... he has the same right to an opinion as you do

heres my compromise ....

the map is too big for the current population .. divide the map into 3 port battle time zones

each nation has a capital in a time zone ...  time zone a   9AM - 5PM   .. time zone B .. 5PM . 1 AM ... Time zone c 1 am - 9 am ... if yo dont want to play in time zone a you dont have to ..

but you may have time to play in zone B and c ...

reduced areas in eaxh time zone will mean shorter sailing times more pvp and more rvr

 

[Grundgemunkey]

Just now, Intrepido said:

The first guys who were a bunch of selfish were a minority of players flipping ports at the middle of the night to europpean based communities.

No one wants (not only the EU guys) to sacrifice his work, family... for a game. Its unhealthy.

no one expected you to ...pity you didnt have the same consideration when you were attacking those guys in your prime time .. their night times ,,, or the middle of their work day

are you going to stop flipping ports at 1700 which is now in uk work time ??? or should we take the afternoon off work ... it would be unhealthy for uk players to play at 1700  in the day .. we are at work or eating evening meal with family ..

[Grundgemunkey]

6 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

Because of those issues the server split was made... no workflips neither nightflips in the EU server.

there are workflips currently on eu server.... so im officially complaining now any port battle mid week between 1700 and 1800 wil be impossible for anyone who finishes work at 1700  to attend ..

Edited October 29, 2017 by Grundgemunkey

[Rebrall]

7 minutes ago, Grundgemunkey said:

maybe not but he paid the his hard earned cash to play the same as you did ... he has the same right to an opinion as you do

heres my compromise ....

the map is too big for the current population .. divide the map into 3 port battle time zones

each nation has a capital in a time zone ...  time zone a   9AM - 5PM   .. time zone B .. 5PM . 1 AM ... Time zone c 1 am - 9 am ... if yo dont want to play in time zone a you dont have to ..

but you may have time to play in zone B and c ...

reduced areas in eaxh time zone will mean shorter sailing times more pvp and more rvr

 

Hmm the only thing is we need to consider the pve players to also the map design could hinder some PB as some would have more shallows for example not a bad idea though 

1 minute ago, Intrepido said:

I´ll try to post a proposal later, but Im not really convinced about it yet.

Would like to here it 

[Rebrall]

3 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

Because of those issues the server split was made... no workflips neither nightflips in the EU server.

 

Have you heard any complain about PB timers in the EU server?

 

2 minutes ago, Grundgemunkey said:

there are workflips currently on eu server

The thing is no matter what someone will always be asleep at work or busy with there family’s the world is a big place that’s why it’s gonna be hard and one possible answer is no RvR till the weekend some will hate it some won’t 🤷‍♂️

[Grundgemunkey]

safe areas around capitals for pve ... ports can be changed from shallow to deep or vice versa to balance .. shallow areas on map can be changed

[Rebrall]

6 minutes ago, Grundgemunkey said:

safe areas around capitals for pve ... ports can be changed from shallow to deep or vice versa to balance .. shallow areas on map can be changed

I have a suggestion but it’s the middle of the workday for me so will either suggest it in my own thread or wait for @Intrepido to do his and add mine there as typing on my phone would be annoying 

Edited October 30, 2017 by Rebrall

[Rebrall]

8 hours ago, Bearwall said:

I think the biggest thing you seem to forget about when you pushed a server split was you took away a lot of content by doing so by taking more hunters and traders of the water. PvP problems has nothing to do with the numbers atm but the RoE, forts/towers, reinforcement zones and green zones. Some can work, but something has to go. of course they do more trader's = more hunter's = more counter hunters/escorts = more players on OW seas = more players having something to do = more content = more interest in the game = more players all around 

You say join the EU server but what about the RvR’s they cant RvR till the weekends only, if thats how it is then why not lock every port till the weekend and know one can do a PB till the weekend and make it a FFA event and at the end of the weekend rewards are handed out to those who have most points then the ports turn neutral again. Oh wait wouldn’t that mean we would have to have proper war companies 😲 I don't really care wether the globals join or not. If they want to do RvR they have a whole server to create content on. i know you don't but more players = more fun for everyone not just you and the game does not revolve around you it requires multiple players that's why it is a MMO game (massively multiplayer online game)

 

As I have said if the night flips were such a problem why was there never a conversation with the players to try organize a time that worked for you all? Not really like there wasn't an attempt. I seem to recall a summit hosted by @Christendom where the US were basically ignoring the pleas of the euros. I can't see that anyone pushed harder for a serversplit than the US players. Besides, no agreement with or between players is acceptable - we work for a mechanic solution to improve the game overall and we got one. A regional server works. have proven it doesn't work multiple times to you, numbers don't lie. and you have not seen an increase either you're still loosing players please stop calling it a success. agreed on the agreement between players to an extent but you have to start somewhere like or not its how it is. ive lobbied a bunch for multiple mechanic but it needs discussed properly between old players and new players alike it has to suit the majority and all we get out of you is a flat no its almost as if you want to see the game fail, not aware of the summit myself but as stated i was one of the people involved to ensure there was no empty pb's from either side and we have succeeded on global    

and you can’t say it doesn’t work cause global can prove you wrong cause that exactly what happened. The fact that global is starting to arrange PBs proves that the global server doesn't function. 1. PB's are not arranged at all just the time frame. 2. the agreement is we don't flip ports between AUSI players and US based players unless its a time were we both have numbers to turn up much like your beloved PB time frame and FYI it works fine.  

 

 

Edited October 30, 2017 by Rebrall

[Rebrall]

5 hours ago, Intrepido said:

Blue circles: possible settlements for Prussia/Russia/Polish Commonwealth in "EU area".

Green circles: possible settlements for Prussia/Russia/Polish Commonwealth in "GLOBAL area".

GB, Pirates and US will have only one capital located at the limits of the areas as they are among the most populated nations (generally speaking) in both servers. France and Spain will increase the options of the players that choose the Global part of the map along with the possibility/risk to settle under the Prussia/Polish/Russia flag.

 

Note. Placing one spanish capital in Santo Domingo is historical. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captaincy_General_of_Santo_Domingo

Note2. Im not fully convinced of this proposal due to making the map much more smaller. Less places to conquer and expand.

 

i'm torn tbh i don't hate the idea but i don't want to scream about it from the roof tops, may i think more on it before i give a suggestion of my own?

EDIT: the issue is i'm probably wanting the game to go of in a bit of a different path then you so i'm trying to keep that in mind also, 

couple of major changes i would like to see that i'm sure you wont like

1. No more nations per say more representing them as a Clan 

2. War companies - conjoining of clans to fight over Realms/Cities

Edited October 30, 2017 by Rebrall

[Christendom]

8 hours ago, Bearwall said:

 

US players did not push for a server split.  Most of us then wanted pretty much the same as we want now.  One global server.  

8 hours ago, Intrepido said:

Your friend Christendom and Co. deliberately made nightflips (sometimes they didnt even show up) to piss off the nations of the enemy alliance. They werent interested in having fun, just in winning an advantage over other nations.

Again, mechanics must be solid to prevent a possible abuse by some players.

Im glad that GLOBAL server is so a lovely place full of joy and great gameplay, but old PVP1 has proven you are wrong because a lot of shit happened due to bad mechanics being on place.

What most people like to forget was that night flips were a direct result of an EU based nation breaking a truce agreement and then trying to flip 3 ports on us at roughly the same time during the day.  Luckily the attacks were unsuccessful.  Night flips were our only way to hit back and as they say....we went to the mattresses.  Whats funny is that night flips did not significantly impact the status of the ports.  Everyone who said they quit, came back and right at the end there before the wipe happened majority of the US ports were taken by day flips in retaliation.  Every single port that was taken at night (which was not that many) was taken back during the day and then some.

Furthermore the ports have since been wiped multiple times.  The game is in alpha, who gives a shit about the ports.