Aubrey Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) This Knowing that this is EA / alpha, I do not expect it right now - but I really need to know if this will be worked on later on? The shot is from Napoleon Total War, the way ships sink there is simply stunning and spectacular to watch, it adds so much to the overall feeling of the game, please, bring us dynamic sinking mechanics later, yes? Please? Edited February 7, 2016 by Aubrey 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kameradenschwein Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Well, i dont think this is to question, i assume that they will sooner or later 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardin Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Please. 10/10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ligatorswe Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Devs said content production will start after bugs are fixed. So, you will see game is taking shape soon enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I twitch uncontrollably every time someone holds up TW:Empire as a positive example. But there's a lot that could be done with sinking. I don't really want to see them reliably leaning towards the lowest-HP broadside, but there is always entropy and room for uneven sinking. Most of all, a sinking ship should be wallowing in the waves, long heavy sagging rolls that might even result in capsizing. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 I twitch uncontrollably every time someone holds up TW:Empire as a positive example. But there's a lot that could be done with sinking. I don't really want to see them reliably leaning towards the lowest-HP broadside, but there is always entropy and room for uneven sinking. Most of all, a sinking ship should be wallowing in the waves, long heavy sagging rolls that might even result in capsizing. Good, no problem then, since I was talking about Napoleon: Total War, which is considered as Empire: Fixed by most TW fans. Other than that, are you implying that the sea battles or specifically the sinking mechanics in both, Empire and Napoleon aren't good enough, not realistic or believable? Pretty much everything would be better than what we have to witness now, so... I don't see your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaius Marius Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 While there are innumerable ways a ship could sink, each more visually stunning than the last (I'm looking at you magazine detonations), I think at this stage in the game development hours could be better spent on other issues. Not to say that I don't think this is a good idea- in time, I would love to see this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKPyrate Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I think one way to add variety to the sinking is by causing sail and rig damage slowly over time so that the sails could slowly flog themselves to shreds and the occasional mast falling as the ship breaks up in the waves. That said, I also think increased slow rolling could help. And not automatically furling all the sails; just strike the flag and maybe turn out lights in the cabin or something. Make it a bit more subtle, as when does a ship really go from floating to sinking? Technically the boat had probably been sinking for some time, it was just still fighting. Here might also be where 'launching small boats' could simulate crew abandoning the ship (and maybe start to disperse randomly), if we ever get that type of graphic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 And not automatically furling all the sails; just strike the flag and maybe turn out lights in the cabin or something. Make it a bit more subtle... i like that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
312_JS Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I twitch uncontrollably every time someone holds up TW:Empire as a positive example. Yeah me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marecek05 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) I am no expert, no way comparable to maturin, but from what I have read, I think the ships sink due to leaks too often. In history and at least most French ships were sunk due to the loss of maneuverability and hit the shore or were burned in action. Some of them were broken by wind and sea (if there were heavy weather conditions during the battle). From what I've read, very few of the ships of line were sunk due to leaks and comparably also not very many frigates. Translated in game I would like to see it as: 1. Non catastrophic fires. Only a fraction of ship fires resulted in explosions a la Orient. Let the fire just slowly deplete your armor, crew and sails, with only a small percentage chance of exploding. 2. In port battles and in battles close to shore, make the loss of maneuverabilty critical. If sails and rigging are damaged enough you should be slowly pushed towards the shore, until you founder. 3. According to picture evidence and some reports I read, ships that actually sunk, usually sunk in a shallow angle aft first and with only slight list to the side. In regards to capzising in battle, I have not seen a picture documenting it, by I don't doubt that it will be provided in this great community :-). Note: I was not taking into account capture by the British, because that was hands down the most common reason for a loss of ships in the French navy. Edited February 8, 2016 by marecek05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 i like that! It's been on the devs' to-do list for years now. Other than that, are you implying that the sea battles or specifically the sinking mechanics in both, Empire and Napoleon aren't good enough, not realistic or believable? Nothing too much wrong with sinking in Napoleon, I guess (which didn't fix anything wrong with Empire's execrable naval battle graphics that I am aware of, but added steamships and a model-swapped bizarro-frigate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas aagaard Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Ships really should not sink that often... they should just surrender when the damage reach a specific point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Ships really should not sink that often... they should just surrender when the damage reach a specific point. Maybe, and while I agree with this in favor of authenticity, the point is if something sinks - it should be sexy, shouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingck Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) I would love to see the ship sink similar to WoW Edited February 8, 2016 by kingck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKPyrate Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Ships really should not sink that often... they should just surrender when the damage reach a specific point. I think that this is just a gameplay issue. If the ship didn't sink, people would fight on, even if ineffectually. This would just make battles more tedious and much longer (hove to and hammering away at a vessel nearly awash isn't exactly exciting). Plus, if there are multiple enemies, the focus could switch to them and allow the stricken, barely afloat vessel to 'escape', which would not be realistic if they could only make a knot or two at most. And many people would hate to be forced to surrender at any point, as they would like to fight to the last man, escape the hangman's noose (for pirates), etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexxus674 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I could see pirates being the exception to the "forced surrender" idea. The fact is that when overwhelmed by a superior force most merchant ships or small Warships would surrender without much fight at all. But I don't think forced surrender is the answer. More along the lines of there being a reason to surrender when you know the battle is lost. Maybe some sort of mechanic that costs you some exp for "dieing" in a sunk ship? Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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