LeBoiteux
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Admin asked a good question I haven' seen any answer yet, so I open a quick thread to enable any naval expert / historian / etc. to see it.
Interesting from an historical standpoint and for the content in game :
12 hours ago, admin said:Is it true that Swedish shipbuilders used white paint in winter on ships so it is not not visible from sea when its stationed near the shore (with snow)?
Anybody has an answer ?
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1 hour ago, CanorJax said:
Can you stop talking about cost and economic stuff SINCE YOU ARE NOT PLAYING THE GAME
I currently play NA. However, even someone who has never played NA would be entitled to write what you quote of me. Have a nice day 🙂
PS : who are you to tell lies about me like I don't play. What's the motivation ?
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50 minutes ago, admin said:
What the fuss is about, can you explain to me?? Is it just a linguistic discussion (What is a 4th rate)?
Or people only use search when it suits them ignoring other statements on the same matter (for example ignoring our statement from 2015 that max rate for a premium ship is a 3rd)It's all about ship DLCs some players can't bear, calling them P2W. If you hadn't mentioned the Rettvisan, they would have raged about the Hermione, once free in the game and now... etc.
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2 minutes ago, admin said:
I name the ships )))
please, forget "Kate Elizabeth" 🙂
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14 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said:
As for you being casuals? You prob not as casuals as you think you are. Casuals are guys that only log on 2-4 hours a week. How much time you spend in this game daily/weekly?
Some weeks I play more (<15hrs), some weeks I play less but I'm a casual according to your standards if I divise my playing hours by the numbers of years since I bought the game (late 2015!).
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14 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said:
It's not Casuals that buy the DLC, it's the hard core PvP players that do. Most casuals don't want to spend a lot on a game. They just want to pop in play and have some fun and get there 40 bucks worth.
Please provide statistics that confirm that.
Those who buy are those who have the capacity (money), in particular those who work and don't have much time to grind, craft, collect, etc. and spend time in game and thus prefer to buy DLC.
14 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said:I mean look at guys like me. 5 accounts worth about 250 dollars and I have about another 250 dollars in DLC content. I have over 9K hours in this game (mainly cause I wasn't working for a year and half) and I'm far from what one would call a casual. Most my alts have over 4K hours. We are the ones buying up the DLC content not the casuals and newbs.
'I mean look at' me. 1 account.. Casual. buying DLCs.
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Nice that casual get bigger ships via ship DLCs. More PvP. More players.
32 minutes ago, Malachi said:U-oh, this thread....
Could someone please enlighten me...both the Wasa- and the Gustav Adolph-class were considered 60-gun ships in the swedish Navy (and their plans say just that: 60 guns).
So how can one be a third and one a fourth rate?
because of the metric system ? 🙂
#wedontcareaboutrates
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5 minutes ago, Dibbler said:
But hey DLC - Devs like cash.
Creating new ships is very costly.
I'm happy if ship DLCs help implementing new ones.
btw Pandora is free for EA testers.
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Hoping these ships will get something too. I guess it takes time and work... Not sure every ship will get an additional paint.
I don't know whether or not you read this additional hint :
On 3/21/2019 at 12:56 PM, admin said:there are 49 approved paints (they are in paint chest - that drops from the treasure fleet event). In total there is currently around 100+ additional unapproved paints. almost all or all will get to DLC.
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2 minutes ago, admin said:
Final pre-release DLCs will be added (when valve approves the pages)
- L'Hermione - french concorde class frigate
- Rattvisan (Ретвизан) 24lb gun forth rate
- Pandora might get in as well.
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19 hours ago, Aerospace said:
For @LeBoiteux
btw I really do not like your implementing 6pd vs 9pd rule (your no 6 pounder can beat 9 pounder rule) . I can kill any 9pd ship with a 6 pounder ship. I can not kill 32 pounder carro ship with a 6 pounder/18 carro ship, that is the problem, 32 pounders carronades not 9 pounder cannons. 32 pounder carronades are very strong. I tell you LRQ has 384 carronade broadside weight, you tell me you do not need to look at it, no 6pd is a match for 9pd ??? 9 pounder cannons LRQ has 108 cannon broadside weight, compare it to 384 !
32 carronades have very good penetration, dps, alpha. I do not think 9 pounder cannons = 32 pounder carronades equivalent with current damage model.
9 pounder medium = 65 damage 40s reload 100m=101cm penetration 250m=86cm penetration
6 pounder medium = 50 damage 35s reload 100m=88cm 250m=73cm
32 pounder carronade= 108 damage 47s reload 100m=115 cm penetration 250m=87cm penetration
24 pounder carronade= 88 damage 43s reload 100m=106 cm penetration 250m=78cm
18 pounder carronade= 72 damge 40s reload 100m=99cm 250m=68cm
32 pounder carronade is not a substitue for 9 pounder medium with current damage model ! This is why 6th rate ship combat is broken still. Remove 32 carros for 6th rate ships, and limit carros to upperdecks on higher rate ships. According to me solves the broken state.
I even find 24 pounder carronade to be a bit strong for 9 pounder medium equivalent.
I do not even wanna talk about Poods, those are really POOP 🍩 for this game, limit them to Russians and give Russian ships an edge.
Lots of imprecisions about "what I said" (in another thread) and lots of colors... Please quote me (if you really want to discuss), don't rephrase approximately and wrongly what I wrote. 🙂
However, our only contradiction lies in the fact that I'd prefer a rating in terms of gun pdr (6-pders, 9-pders, 12 to 24-pdr frigates...), especially given the currently in-game carro split (12 to 24-pdr carro for 6-pders, 32-pdr carro for 9-pdrs and above, etc. ) while you want to keep the current rating with rates and give all 6th 'rates' lighter carro. No big deal. Any opinion is interesting. I remain open.
Anyway, devs (who decide) have currently chosen a third way :
- 32-pdr carro for all 9-pdr ships (following their in-game split rule)
- All 9-pdr ships (including light frigates/corvette) in shallows (IMO a nice move as 9-pders need to be together and need 'protection' from heavier frigates. It gives them an place where they can be fully used)
- Missions by rate (which seems to be in contradiction with the two previous points)
It also has a side effect. It mixes 6-pders and 9-pders in the same group/area (in the '6th-rate group' and in the shallows), making 6-pders weaker, especially as carro are the rule.
According to Admin, 9-pders were meant to be the 'lineships of the shallows'. They are.
Time to find a way to give both 6-pders and 9-pders a chance.
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One suggestion : being able to choose the enemy ship (Cutter, Renommée...) in (bot) kill mission.
Your reward is calculated depending on the ship you choose for you, from 0 (if your ship is much bigger) to...
+ You can take this kind of mission as often as you want in any port.
+ enemy bots can be captured or not ?
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On 3/19/2019 at 7:01 PM, DeRuyter said:
IMO The Pandora's box was made when they decided to give every hello kitty ship carronades on the main deck. Only a few ships in game carried carronade main armament IRL (Niagara, Surprise for example) and those were mostly the smaller ships not the Indefatigable with 42lb carros on the main deck.
They could still tweak the system and limit the use of carros on main gun decks through. You don't want to nerf them to oblivion so that they are useless for the small 6th and 7th rates that carried them as main armament.
Current in-game carronades act as a kind of simple multiplier of the power of the guns (pdr and number of guns) :
- the smallest 6th rates get full 12-pdr carro, the medium ones get full 18-pdr carro, the heaviest gets full 24-pdr carro
- the 9-pders get full 32-pdr carro
- the heavier frigates (carrying 12-pdr to 24-pdr guns) get 32-pdr to 42-pdr carro.
- Etc.
thus, in-game full carro act as powerful full guns.
Is full-carro a good thing ? That's an open debate. It's not historical. But one advantage is that it sets on equal footing ships built before the invention of carro and those built after. A good thing for a game that wants both to have ships from 1680 to 1820 while locating its action ca. 1805. For example, should older 9-pdr ships (not carrying carro) be weaker than more modern 6-pders (carrying carro IRL) in game, knowing that IRL they couldn't meet as the older ones had been destroyed before the building of the more modern ones ? Open debate.
(edit) with ships labelled 'rare' in game getting special buffs, the historical argument unfortunately carries less and less weight in this game...
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2 minutes ago, Jean de la Rochelle said:
Flag of Martinique where France's in-game capital of Fort Royal is located:
This flag was used by traders that sailed from/to the Martinique, ie mainly by slavers.
Nowadays, this flag is connected with slavery in this island. Thus, it could be very offensive in a game.
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15 minutes ago, Vernon Merrill said:
Got it.... so we can put these mythical death-ray "poods" on ships that never had them, but when it comes to smaller ships, its strictly fact-based.... ok, then.
I've never posted anything about the poods. I just give my opinion about the Prince. 🙂
Moreover, 6-pders must be promoted (e. g. by taking away 9-pders from them, etc), not thrown in the garbage by artificially making some of them 9-pders and let the others unplayed. NA must move toward diversity (playing 6-pders and 9-pders and 12-pdr frigates and...), not give any ship the same armament (ie 32-pdr carronade and above) and make Prince = LRQ for example.
I like the Prince... as she is.
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43 minutes ago, Vernon Merrill said:
Also on threedecks, from a firsthand account:
Extract of letter from Capt. Sir George Collier, of his Majesty's ship Leander...1815, Jan 28 - Sir, I have the pleasure to acquaint you, that with the squadron under my orders, being in quest of the American ships of war, which escaped during the late gales from the Ports of Massachusetts, I had the good fortune, yesterday, at sunset, to capture the celebrated privateer, Prince de Neufchatel, hermaphrodite - rigged, pierced for 22 guns, and having 18 mounted, six of which are long nine, and twelve pounders, and the rest twelve pounder carronades
First, it is a comment from a poster. The original letter should be found first to serve as a real source.
Second, what does it say ? IMO that the day of capture, she may have had 18 guns, that is :
- out of 6 guns, some were 9 long guns, others were 12-pdr guns (As privateers, they put what they had at hand)
- the 12 others were 12-pdr carronades
Thirdly, Gardiner says she usually had 2x6-pdr (guns) + 16x12-pdr (carro). It is the armament she was meant to have.
Nothing that justify to give her 20 x 32-pdr carronades (or 20 x 9-pdr guns).
The game gives her 16x18-pdr (carro) + 4 x24-pdr (carro) + bow and stern chasers.
That's more than enough for her.
She's a 6-pdr ship. Period.
What do you want ? Give every ship in game 32-pdr carro ?
43 minutes ago, Vernon Merrill said:And to your second point: Is it good for GAMEPLAY that a well-handled 6th rate cannot engage with a low 4th/high 5th rate with at least a REASONABLE chance of success?
Yes.
The Prince is not a well-handled 6th rate, she's a well-handled 6-pder while LRQ is a well-handled 9-pder and having 24 guns, a currently well-handled 6th rate.
I know you love the Prince. Not a reason to buff her unreasonably. 🙂
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According to R. Gardiner, Warships of the Napoleonic Era, the Prince only had 2x6-pdr (guns) + 16x12-pdr (carro) :
According to threedecks, she had only 18 guns.
In game, she can have :
- 20 x 6-pdr (guns)
- or 16x18-pdr (carro) + 4 x24-pdr (carro)
- + bow and stern chasers
It seems (more than) fair.
Prince is a very good 6-pdr ship with a great sailing profile, compared to in-game square-rigged 6-pders, such as Brigs and Corvettes (Rattlesnake).
But she is not a 9-pdr ships like LRQ and thus she does not deserve 32-pdr carronades.
(Things may be simpler for the Prince if 6-pdr ships and 9-pdr ships (Niagara, LRG, Cerberus, Pandora, La Renommée, Surprise) were separate but right now the 6th rate group mixes 6-pders and 9-pders.)
So, IMO, the answer is no 9-pdr (guns) / 32-pdr (carro) on the Prince.
PS : you are talking about a fight between a 6-pdr ship (your small Prince) and a 18-pdr frigate (the 'Pirate frigate') !!!!!
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Just got my French Cerberus from the Painter DLC. Very nice !!!
One of my favorite ships with my favorite paint scheme...
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Le Requin
= Paint schème of the historical ship model of Le Requin (or L'Indiscret, her sister ship) that was made at the same time as both ships (1750).
Colors : black, brown, red ochre, gold (sculpture)
Model displayed at the Naval Museum with several pics (details) here.
The sails could be all white (as above) or even better, two white and one red ochre as below :
PS : differences in the colors (ocre, white...) of the sails was a way to recognize a known ship at sea.
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A Flag for France :
the Provence ensign
Seen on several French Xebecs painted by Antoine Roux in 180x (traders ?), such as :
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Tout à fait d'accord avec Surcouf. Je ne parle pas pour moi : je joue et je n'apporte rien au jeu. Mais les devs ont fait appel aux connaissances de certains forumers qui ne jouent pas tous et eux ont amélioré le jeu. D'autres ont posté des plans, des idées, etc. qui pourront servir. J'ai déjà eu l'occasion de parler d'eux et de les remercier. Les joueurs sont rarement conscients de ça.
Ceci dit, comme j'ai mis certains posters francophones en Ignore user, je ne peux pas lire leurs commentaires et je n'ai donc pas l'intégralité de ce thread. C'est une expérience très drôle, un peu comme quelqu'un qui arrive au milieu d'une conversation et donne d'emblée son avis sans savoir ce qui a été dit avant, même s'il peut en partie s'en douter... 😁
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@Haratik Hoping we'll get info about Spanish shipbuilders of typical Mediterranean designs (xebec, felluca, polacre...), such as the Majorcan shipbuilders who built Le Requin and the other xebecs for the French Navy.
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20 minutes ago, Barberouge said:
Si tu t'intéresses au gréement latin il faut lire la monographie du requin de Boudriot, elle explique tout en détail. En gros, les chébecs n'avaient pas d'étais mais uniquement des haubans, qui pouvaient être largués ou déplacés le long du bord. Du coup ça donnait la flexibilité nécessaire pour régler la voilure.
Je pense que je vais me laisser tenter !! C'est passionnant.
18 minutes ago, Barberouge said:Tu peux continuer à PM Surcouf LeBoiteux )
Je le sais. C'était une simple plaisanterie. Et Surcouf le sait surement aussi.
D'autant que nos PM restent toujours très techniques.
Surcouf est quelqu'un de fiable et de très serviable 🙂
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Merci Barberouge. Je pensais que vous ne parliez que de muder. Et comme vous utilisez beaucoup de termes complexes pour moi, j'avais pas compris.
1 minute ago, Barberouge said:Bouh le post de messages privés ) Heureusement qu'il n'y a rien de compromettant )
Effectivement... je crois que je vais arrêter d'envoyer des MP à Surcouf. Trop risqué ! 😁
White paint on Swedish ships in winters ?
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@Ligatorswe Thx for your answer. Very interesting !
So you confirm that some ships but not all had white paint in the end of the 1700s, right ?
So, those ships were white all year, not only in winter ?
The pic you posted shows a black and white paint (with red or brown inside). Do you have pictures, maybe paintings, showing all white Sweden hulls ? Was the upper deck also white sometimes ?