Jonathan Arlington

This! Gentlemen, you seam to be a noble spirit, first round of scotch will be paid by me.

Lobogris you are Not the speaking organ of the whole nation. You brought your point, but stop crying now. You seid your words now let the other one speak for themselve. I think there is one thing we will loose up to that point and this is the fun part for every site. Because up to now there will be no end we have to freedom one warside like the danes've done it before with sweden. Funny every's forgotten this point, but hey this is so much three weeks ago... ???? Will it help us? Maybe. Will it be fun? No. So why not slow down with Spain, give them time to regain strength and then again we could have some fun. In this situation the dane-coalition of danes, Pirates, french can have some funny fights with us (or is that midshipman-threatening realy fun for you?). By the way. It is quite funny reading about how much you all hate us because we used the same rude (that's for sure) tactic the danes come along with sweden (nobody seams to care) two weeks ago, while writing about doing the same to the british if you will win this war. Second, you all seam to believe the words of the danes and Pirates (and you do not care they took your Ports in north-cuba too, but hey, that's okay for you) Telling you we want to dominate the community but in fact: We declaire war, come back to the table and talk to our entließ about peace so our enemy can restrength for a new round while the danes whiped out two nations, "allowed" them to regain some ports with strict order not to fight again the danes and with the danes telling everyone were to Sail and fight on. You think you are fighting for a free caribic but in the end you will wake up in a caribic where the danes will tell you where to sail, where to fight and against whom. And up to this point free nations are dead.

If you have taken that as an insult I apologize. Was not meant to be. But the whole British bashing is quite frustrating at the moment.

I'll end this here. No sence to talk to someone who do not want to ignoring the dialog all the time.

That is silly. We offert you some hand to talk about and as you can read in the other thread this could include some exchance. But you keep on behaving like a warmonger while you complain about us to be one. The point we have to surrender like Shows how ignorant and arrogant you really are. We offer you a hand in respect to go on another day. You are the slapping it away

Yes like us. We tried to do some diplomacy god dammit'but you keep on ignoring it while complaining that we would not. This is so silly in so many special ways

Another point. But who cares that danish crown is allied with thiefs just to roll up the West indies. Allied with Pirates... ????

And if you would be the freedom fighter you are pretending to be you would agree with us you would keep the decission to the spaniards. But no you are just crying for more war pointing with fingers at us because we act like we are at war. That is the point.

Yessssssss and we felt defraut froh the spaniards attacking us while dringend diplomacy. This is the point. This leads to nothing. Personally I believe there is no was but a diplomacy mechanic in the game Maybe with the possibility of making diplomacy with a national vote or something. But up to this point we "tested" that complete free diplomacy will just lead to rumour not in the nation roleplay was but to the community of all players.

You Know what? Maybe it was harsh but they declaired a harsh war while we were making some diplomacy. Maybe it was harsh but without any possibility of calm down - Not as nations but as one testing community it will not disapear. Or do you really believe it is all about national gaming roleplay or somewhat in here anymore? Guess not.

Thomas we do not ask for peace now, we offer a hand since this war begann.

I didnt mean you in person. Just this whole situation

It is like... Hey guys this all didnt go very well because everone is blaming the others so lets talk. And the others like NOOO! You are wrong Lalala I cant hear you... Bah. No time for this...

Ah okay. In this case, sorry. Althought this is also a good example about this heaty discussion I think. How fast some misunderstanding leads to some new rumor.

Because of the "heaty" mood I wanted just leave this masterpiece of movie-art in here to prove, at the end we should regonize it is just a game Enjoy.

Actually, Potemkin, this is the point. We don's want to. We wanted to end this senceless war but than again some british-playing guy is writing about that and instead of listening and thinking about what the other side maybe would feel and think about it you're just insulting the whole thing I tried to bring to you as "bullshit". Very good, Sir, Bravo ... It seams like you are forgetting that behind every PC-Screen on the british side there is also just a player who wants to enyoj this game with all of you. We offer hands and got a slap for nothing than reacting to your decisions. Maybe harsh, maybe with full force but hey at the moment we started it we thought about not having any choice. We want to find solutions as you do but we seam to be the only ones talking about mistakes on both sides while you are complaining like we are the devil in person. This leads to nothing. But okay, if you decide to fight on, okay it will be a pleasure to have some fun with you guys. But in this case stop complaining about we treat you like we are at war with you guys. If not, come to the table, stop this war, talk with us to regain your power and good luck next time. And this is noch ironically. I mean it.

Oh dear ... you started - no you started - no it was you - mom, the nation is not telling the truth ... what the heck? This war started like all other ones. Both sides thought they were right and this is okay, because this is what this game about is. But if we want a full working gamer-community-diplomacy we have to handle this like gamer not like childs. The truth is, that the spaniards decided to declare war for a regain campaign against us. The Truth is that we decided to "play" the angry nation and decided to punish you. It is true that we wiped you out of Mexico but it is also true that we gave you the chance for some diplomacy after that so we can regain a situation every one would be fine with. But your hardliners are crying for a war until the last breath and so we thougt ... okay ... the game is the game and we do not need a western front. So we have no choice but to continue. So your anger was growing, you were copmming to the point you were before with your argumentation in the war against the U.S... it's not about game-politics in here it is more alike blaming other players that they've done something to you what you would have done with us if you would have been in our situation. Namely going for the win. But okay, you see this in another point of view - fine. As we do and you know why? Because humans ... So ... what can we do now ... 1st possibility We can play the game in the way it should be played (just my opinion) if we really want a working diplomacy. Come to the round table with the Royal Navy, let's talk and end this war. for some weeks at last so you can regain you comfort-zone and we all go back to enjoy this masterpiece of game together. And after severall weeks we can replay this war and have fun again. 2nd possibility We give a s**t about the possibility of a working gamer-community, we do not speak with each other, every one is p*ssed off about the other side. Than we start to get angry, taking this to real life personal and at the end we have a community not angry in the roleplay-nation but the "people" playing them. But in this setting the dev's will be involved to this situation, because there would not be any other choice (At least I think some kind of diplomacy-mechanics will do the thing and prevent us from getting to personal at all. Maybe with some kind of diplomacy-election for all players, but this is another point). So, as you can read in several postings in this thread, we are offering a hand for diplomacy, would you please stop ignoring it? Let's solve the problem in that way every one will enjoy this game in the end. P.S. hope the grammar is not too bad guys. If you find some mistakes keep it. It's a gift.