Ships for naval action

[rcshugo]

 

1)HMS St. Lawrence

2)HMS Sovereign

3)Soleil Royal 

4)Dauphin Royal 

5)Deuxième rang

 

 

1)http://militaryhistorynow.com/2013/08/16/3665/

 

2)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Sovereign_of_the_Seas

 

3)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Soleil_Royal_(1670)

 

4)https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dauphin_Royal_(1668)

 

5)https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuxi%C3%A8me_rang

[Thonys]

13 hours ago, rcshugo said:

 

1)HMS St. Lawrence

2)HMS Sovereign

3)Soleil Royal 

4)Dauphin Royal 

5)Deuxième rang

 

 

1)http://militaryhistorynow.com/2013/08/16/3665/

 

2)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Sovereign_of_the_Seas

 

3)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Soleil_Royal_(1670)

 

4)https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dauphin_Royal_(1668)

 

5)https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuxi%C3%A8me_rang

here some more : period 1675

 

The Netherlands

 

Admiralty of Amsterdam

Ships of the line:

Akerboom 62 (Jacob Teding van Berkhout)

Stad Utrecht 66 (Jan Davidszoon Bondt)

Prince te Paard 55 (Adam van Brederode)

Wakende Kraan 44 (Pieter Claesz Dekker)

Zeelandia 44 (Daniël Elsevier)

Steenbergen 68 (Jan Paulusz van Gelder, killed in battle)

Hollandia 80 (Rear Admiral Jan de Haen)

Gideon 62 (Barend Hals)

Provincie van Utrecht 60 (Jan Janszoon de Jongh)

Leeuwen 50 (Jan Gijsels van Lier)

Spiegel 70 (Commodore Jacob van Meeuwen)

Komeetstar 68 (Pieter Middelandt)

Essen 50 (Philips de Munnik)

Wapen van Holland 44 (Matthijs Dirkszoon Pijl)

Waesdorp 68 (Engel de Ruyter)

Tijdverdrijf 56 (Gilles Schey)

Agatha 50 (Pieter Cornelisz de Sitter)

Kalantsoog 68 (Volkert Hendrickszoon Swart, died from wounds)

Beschermer 50 (David Swerius (Sweers), killed in battle)

Oliphant 82 (Vice-Admiral Isaac Sweers, killed in battle)

Geloof 56 (Cornelis Tijloos)

Gouden Leeuw 82 (Lt-Admiral Cornelis Tromp, captain Thomas Tobiaszoon)

Zuiderhuis 45 (Isaak Uitterwijk)

Amsterdam 60 (Cornelis van der Zaan)

Frigates:

Oudkarspel 34 (Jan van Abkoude)

Bommel 24 (Jan Bogaart)

Edam 36 (Willem van Ewijk)

Haas 24 (Hans Hartwich)

Damiaten 32 (Mattheus Megank)

Popkensburg 24 (Jan Noirot)

Middelburg 36 (Hendrik Span)

Brak 22 (Roemer Vlacq)

Advice yachts:

Egmond 10 (Jan Kramer)

Triton 10 (Nicolaas Portugaal)

Kits 4 (Gilles Saloy)

Kater 10 (Abraham Taalman)

Fireships:

Zaaier 4 (Wijbrand Barendszoon)

Jacob en Anna (Jan Boomgaard)

Leidster 4 (Pieter van Grootveld)

Vrede 4 (Dirk Klaaszoon Harney)

Wapen van Velsen 4 (Jan van Kampen)

Zalm 4 (Cornelis Jelmertszoon Kok)

Kasteel van Loon 4 (Pieter Hendrikszoon Pop)

Melkschuit 4 (Jacob Schenk)

Salvador 4 (Jacob Vroom)

Draak 4 (Willem Willemszoon)

Admiralty of de Maze

Ships of the line:

De Zeven Provinciën 80 (fleet flag, Lt-Admiral-General Michiel de Ruyter, flag captains Gerard Callenburgh and Pieter de Liefde)

Delft 62 (Philips van Almonde)

Ridderschap 64 (Eland du Bois)

Voorzichtigheid 84 (Jan van Brakel)

Gelderland 63 (temporary Rear-Admiral Cornelis de Liefde, mortally wounded)

Vrijheid 80 (Vice-Admiral Jan Evertszoon de Liefde, killed in battle)

Eendracht 72 (Lt-Admiral Aert Jansse van Nes)

Maagd van Dordrecht 68 (Vice-Admiral Jan Jansse van Nes)

Dordrecht 44 (Frans van Nijdek)

Zeelandia 42 (Simon van Panhuis)

Schieland 58 (Adriaan Poort)

Wassenaer 59 (Barend Rees)

Frigates:

Schiedam 20 (Cornelis van der Hoevensoon)

Utrecht 34 (Jan Snellensoon)

Rotterdam 30 (Jacob Pieterszoon Swart)

Harderwijk 24 (Mozes Wichmansoon))

Advice yachts:

Hoop 6 (Isaac Anteuniszoon van Anten)

Rotterdam 6 (Wijnand van Meurs)

Fireships:

Sint Pieter (Gerrit Halfkaag)

Jisper Kerk 4 (Lens Harmenszoon)

Blackmoor 4 (Abraham van Koperen)

Maria 4 (Dirk de Munnik)

Eenhoorn (Willem de Rave)

Louise 4 (Jan Daniëlszoon van Rijn)

Admiralty of the Northern Quarter

Ships of the line:

Pacificatie 76 (Cornelis Bakker)

Jupiter 42 (Pieter Bakker)

Gelderland 45 (Maarten de Boer)

Eenhoorn 70 (Rear-Admiral Jan Janszoon Dick)

Westfriesland 78 (Jan Heck)

Wapen van Nassau 58 (Pieter Karseboom)

Wapen van Alkmaar 63 (Jan Krook)

Wapen van Enkhuizen 72 (Leendert Kuiper)

Justina van Nassau 66 (Jan Gerritszoon van Muis)

Noorderkwartier 60 (Jacob Roos)

Prins van Oranje 64 (Claes Corneliszoon Valehaen)

Wapen van Medemblik 44 (Hendrik Visscher, killed in battle)

Caleb 50 (Claes Pietersz Wijnbergen)

Fireships:

Vis (Harmen de Boer)

Catharina 2 (Pieter Sievertszoon Bouckertsen)

Witte Mol 4 (Hendrik Munt)

Admiralty of Zealand

Ships of the line:

Walcheren 70 (Lt-admiral Adriaen van Trappen Banckert)

Zierikzee 60 (Vice-admiral Cornelis Evertsen de Jonge)

Dordrecht 50 (Willem Hendrickszoon)

Ter Veere 50 (Dirk Jobszoon Kiela, killed in battle)

Utrecht 50 (Simon Loncke)

Domburg 60 (Carel van der Putte)

Vlissingen 48 (Salomon Le Sage)

Frigates:

Delft 34 (Adriaen van Trappen Banckert de Jonge)

Ter Goes 34 (Anteunis Matthijszoon)

Advice yachts:

Hazewind 7 (Tobias Adriaanszoon)

Goes 8 (David van Geerstdale)

Waterhond 4 (Jacob Hamers)

Zwaluw 6 (Matthijs Lauwerens)

Jonge Maria 10 (Arnoud Leunissen)

Tonijn 6 (Pieter de Moor)

? (Hendrik Pieterszoon)

Bruinvis 6 (Jan Corneliszoon Poot)

Parel 6 (Teunis Post)

Lapmande 8 (Schuyen)

Fireships:

Samuel en Jacob 4 (Simon Arendszoon)

Dadelboom 2 (Reinier Dirkszoon)

Catharina 4 (Frederik Konvent)

Sevellie 2 (Anteunis Janszoon Schalje)

Burg 2 (Huibrecht Wolfertszoon)

Admiralty of Frisia

Ships of the line:

Elf Steden 50 (Witzo Johannes Beima)

Prins Hendrik Casimir 70 (Rear-Admiral Hendrik Bruynsvelt)

Groningen 70 (Vice-Admiral Enno Doedes Star)

Oostergo 58 (Jan Janszoon Vijselaer)

Frigate:

Windhond 30 (Jan Pieterszoon Vinckelbos)

Advice yachts:

Hoop 6 (Cornelis Reindertszoon Eenarm)

Liefde (Jochem Jansen)

Fireship:

Welkomst (IJsbrand Albertszoon)

[jnovotny6]

no

[George Washington]

1 hour ago, jnovotny6 said:

no

Tremendous knowledge in this one. 

[Hodo]

Do we really need more ships that never would have or even made it to the Caribbean?

 

[George Washington]

55 minutes ago, Hodo said:

Do we really need more ships that never would have or even made it to the Caribbean?

 

Devs need more ships for NA Legends and will use them as 'content' in NA.

Edited August 30, 2017 by George Washington

[DeRuyter]

11 minutes ago, George Washington said:

Devs need more ships for NA Legends and will use them as 'content' in NA.

Yes but to include many of those ships, beautiful that the models may be, would require extending the NA time period. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see ships from the period of the Anglo-Dutch wars in NA. However most of the ships in game were built more than 100 years after this with newer technology (from hull shapes and rigging to battery and gun size) so the earlier ships would be overmatched.

[Hodo]

6 minutes ago, DeRuyter said:

Yes but to include many of those ships, beautiful that the models may be, would require extending the NA time period. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see ships from the period of the Anglo-Dutch wars in NA. However most of the ships in game were built more than 100 years after this with newer technology (from hull shapes and rigging to battery and gun size) so the earlier ships would be overmatched.

That and a great many ships that do fall in the time period we are in are little more than copies of other designs with minor changes.

[George Washington]

40 minutes ago, Hodo said:

That and a great many ships that do fall in the time period we are in are little more than copies of other designs with minor changes.

Even with 100 ships in game NA will not make it unless they plan 'real' content asap and favorably right before the game release. 

Edited August 30, 2017 by George Washington

[jnovotny6]

On 8/30/2017 at 11:49 AM, George Washington said:

Tremendous knowledge in this one. 

Lol, was referring to the wall of text re: Dutch ships. Dutch were not major players in the Carribean, it was Spanish, British and French.

[jnovotny6]

I think Swiss navy is under represented in the game, devs plz?

[DeRuyter]

1 hour ago, jnovotny6 said:

Lol, was referring to the wall of text re: Dutch ships. Dutch were not major players in the Carribean, it was Spanish, British and French.

Actually the Dutch did have a colonial presence there, and still have territories there today - Curacao, Aruba and Bonaire. There is also Sint Maarten, St. Eustatius and Dutch Guiana (Surinam). These were all established in the 17th century before the period of NA. Of course as you know the Dutch settled in NY before the English and even founded Albany. They were present on the East coast of the US as well as the Caribbean. This is before talking about piracy against the Spanish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Caribbean

So yes the Dutch do deserve some ships.

[Hodo]

44 minutes ago, DeRuyter said:

Actually the Dutch did have a colonial presence there, and still have territories there today - Curacao, Aruba and Bonaire. There is also Sint Maarten, St. Eustatius and Dutch Guiana (Surinam). These were all established in the 17th century before the period of NA. Of course as you know the Dutch settled in NY before the English and even founded Albany. They were present on the East coast of the US as well as the Caribbean. This is before talking about piracy against the Spanish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Caribbean

So yes the Dutch do deserve some ships.

The key part of your statement is 17th Century, which is 1600s.  In the 1600s Henry Morgan sailed the Caribbean and Francis Drake had just defeated the Spanish Armada.  Names like "Calico Jack Rackam", Black Beard, and Horatio Nelson, werent even thought of or even born yet.   

This game takes place in the 18th-19th century... which is nearly 150-200years AFTER the 1600s. 

[DeRuyter]

On 8/31/2017 at 3:27 PM, Hodo said:

The key part of your statement is 17th Century, which is 1600s.  In the 1600s Henry Morgan sailed the Caribbean and Francis Drake had just defeated the Spanish Armada.  Names like "Calico Jack Rackam", Black Beard, and Horatio Nelson, werent even thought of or even born yet.   

This game takes place in the 18th-19th century... which is nearly 150-200years AFTER the 1600s. 

Right but my point was they were well established by the time of NA - and as I noted they are still there today.