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Read above my post. Im merely defending myself pointing out those FEW, dedicated guys to stop their personal attacks. And the stuff is connected. The RvR home made diplomatic status leads to these kind of incidents where people are tried to be isolated if they have other opinions than the players making those rules. Thats why we need to make a game that avoid these kind of things. Each and every chat I have the national channel is met by critics out of topic by those 2-3 bigger clans. I ask for details of the trading system and is met by bashing. It seems like a coordinated attacks from clans that do not like competition or other opinions. Its not fun. Its not how it is supposed to be. They are incredible. Even on the national chat they try to put me in a bad light even on topics related to ship-types or trade issues. The only way to prevent these things is to make diplomacy a non-negotiable thing. PLayers vote - the nation has allies and enemies. Not enemies or allied found by a few players on TS. Think about it!

How can a vote be sabotage? Please elaborate....

You guys must feel threatened somehow. Yesterday in a big battle verus the British RON-clan, I was tagged by 3 big warships. Drawn into a battle. (My battle, ok?). The whole thing developed to a big fight as more and more players joined. The RON-guys where annihilated. I made almost 5000 xp and 380.000+ gold in my 3rd rate, fighting santis, victories etc. on close range. Yet you blamed me the loss of one of our Santis as you said, I was blocking the line of fire... (Maybe a line of fire WAS blocked in the furball - but max in a few minutes as most of the action of the battle was scattered out - so maybe the loss where due to enemy fire? As usual?). I mean: nothing I do is right in your eyes - absolutely nothing. I understand you envy the joy and equality we have in our clan - VGK - but couldnt you stop with that personal nonsence of yours and play the ball? VGK does not follow your RvR dynasty but apart from that we go to combat and fight pretty darn good in almost any engagement. I dont want to put up some reward for you to leave, as I know you are dedicated players and I do have a lot fun fighting on your side in some big engagments. Maybe its time you make a small revision of those envy thoughts of yours. I dont know why you got them. Why do you care? Regards

Pirates needs special care... But couldnt you stay on topic? How to make alliances work and enhance the game experience. Thank you!

The devs should make meassures to put the "Action" up front... Right now everything simply takes too long...!

Good point - even though some kind of personal logbook would be fun... In order to keep track on all that enemy tonnage I sink...

I didnt say that beggars, farmers, criminals, pirates or even worse; women should have a vote. Im saying that all fellow captains on the seven seas should have a vote.

Depends on how you see your football team. Is it a clan or is it a nation? ;-) Football Team 1 = nation So, I guess we agree. All on our team needs a vote!

I tell you this as a clan-leader: We should NOT act as a nations prolonged arm. Each and any clan should be for social and tactical purpose only. All customers have paid a large sum of money in order to play the game - as they like. Some like to be a part of a social community, some like to be alone, and some like to change a bit over time. Right now we have a group of players - though dedicated and veterans - that indeed think they should have more right to decide things than newbies or solo-players. This is the biggest game-flaw in my optic and mechanics should kind of make a nations apperance out of the sum of players - not the sum of hardcore fans. The energy should go from power-mongering to tactics, socializing etc. instead, providing a better game experience and a less hostile environment to play in. One way to secure this is to make a weekly parlimantal voting system as suggested somewhere else. Each captain should go to capital and cast his vote. It will function something like crafting hours or so... The sum of the nations politics is for all and is better accepted than if an already established oligarky should rule things. No western, democratic-minded player would ever accept to be ruled over in a pc-game. At least, I wont!! And this has nothing to do with the argument: "then go join the pirate-faction". One captain - one vote. Its an old principle at sea. If a clan wants to affect things, they can just coordinate their votes as a political party. And then they might - or might not get their will.... A kind of minigame of itself. But such a system is more likely to be accepted by the MAJORITY of players.

No, we need to have the newbies and the silent players all along. Im sooo tired of a ruling clan-elite in this game. I understand that old players like to keep status quo but this is not the way to keep players in the game. If this game continues to be elitarian - it will be so - with a few, dedicated players left figting over the bones...

Thats completely unacceptable. One customer - one vote! End of discussion.

So I noticed...

Hear, hear!

Accept that you are not in the top of our nations chain of command...

Nah - Ill prefer to work within the limits of the nation... Maybe when time passes this nation will be a better place to be...

Nah - ill just join yours in a small ship ;-)

Im just not bowing myself to those harrasing characters... But Ill take your advice and try to ignore them as best as I can - even though hard to do when they fire cannonballs at us in battles etc... :-p

No I will not change them. I can only hope the game-mechanics will destroy their little imaginary pixel- kingdom so that we - the ordinary players without 1st rates or too much time - can do as we please without getting bashed...

They didnt blame me when I lost my Ingermanland in defending the same port.... Orrrrr these guys make me sooooo mad sometimes. Of course it was ok for me to enter so I had a small compensation for my loss. These guys whine when they need backup but cant give anything back... not even som upgrades at an empty port battle...

Tnx. Very informative. Ive tried this cycle: 1) got involved in game 2) got into a clan with TS 3) took too much time for me and I cut playtime - hence where not so much on TS anymore 4) quitted the TS aspect as I found it a bit weird to listen to all kind of bad behavior and faulty language 5) used chat instead and where not as informed about stuff as the TSers 6) disagreed on some of the political maneovres of the nation 7) got kicked from the clan 8) made my own clan with a more free role fitting for the family-fathers or people who didnt like all the diplo-stuff 9) got very, VERY unpopular among the leading clans - just follow the forums or national chat... they are really upset as I/we do not follow their lead! Is this kind of game really the intention? Shouldnt we strife for a game where some things aint up to the clan-leaders... The reuslt is that players not in the top will simply quit the game and the player base shrink....

Are the other nations just as infected with rulers who like to control stuff as D-N? Or is it only in this nation becourse the player base is smaller? Just asking...

You rage all the time on national channel. Last time with a Trump-alike threath: "Ill be watching you"....

I was in a 2nd rater, dude. Which has no bow-chasers btw.

In that case you must have mistook me for another guy or maybe it was a wrong click with the mouse. I would never do such a thing. I have only lost my temper once in a battle where a guy deliberately blocked my line of fire four times in a row in which case I fired a broadside as I was very angry...

So what you are saying is that the game-mechanics are broken so that not everyone should have the oppportunity to join a port battle? Becourse now we have - and we are going to use it - we paid for it, dude.