TsunamiEmperor

If you honestly can't connect dots together then I don't know how to help you man, I'm not even sure what you're asking/trying to get at with your question.

It's not about what is right and wrong, the AUSEZ can section themselves off somewhere remote on the map and call it their homeland and set timers however they want, the problem is you use this tactics throughout the vast majority of your nation. It has been made clear that the AUSEZ clan does not make up 80%~ of your faction's population, the amount of ports that have gone undefended at the times these ports are set is evidence of this. What your nation is doing is degrading the game's fun because you take this game far too seriously, you're afraid of losing ports so you set timers at times you know you are the least likely to have to defend these ports. You can point the finger at others all you like, but it's not hypocritical one bit for people to put timers on places where they can actually muster a defense at that time, especially when you have a bigger nation next-door who has been doing it for far longer than any of the nations you've listed. "In fact, France is the one and only nation not using this right now but this is not the point. The point is:" And yet you had no hesitation putting unfair timers against them whilst zerging them down, that's the point you people keep trying to elude, but then ask why so many people are against you on the map? It's behavior like this that has left a bitter taste in their mouths towards your faction, the devs and the game as whole, and is leading to people just straight leaving the game in a trickle from how boring you've made it for everyone else who wants to engage in the conquest side of the game. Until the devs address this problem, it's our responsibility as a part of this community to make the game as fun for everyone as possible, and not be so butt-hurt about losing ports as to resort to manipulating mechanics in this fashion. Edit: When the Americans came for the Bahamas, they caught us with our pants down in the initial first days, the following days rallied our nation to go up and not only defend the Bahamas at the time we set for those ports and stop the assault successfully, but also reconquer it and push even further north. The difference between our setting of timers and yours is that ours are actually representative of our capacity to defend, and as far as I know the timers up there haven't changed since that initial offensive. Meanwhile, after Cuba was retaken with timers set at 04-06, your timers since then have shifted a number of times with the clear intent to find the best time period to deny attacks outright with no effort.

Context doesn't exist in the British nation, only propaganda and deflection.

You butchered the timeline so badly I'm actually astonished reading what you just wrote, how desperately your nation wants to twist history just to appear like the good guys to who? Who do you think is reading this other than a British player and says to himself, "wow, I must have been dreaming the last 3 weeks of my life while playing this game". Hilarious.

What's funny is this is what their timers used to look like before the night-crew of the pirates/nationals staying up really late started punishing these timers. I don't know who they're trying to kid really, at one point their Yucatan holdings were 18-20, then all of a sudden when the French started pushing up the Panama with the Spanish making gains shortly after that, they go 10-12 like magic. http://imgur.com/a/NXvbY

Fuking stawman bruh, nobody is on a pedestal about BigValco working for the Brits being morally wrong or just plain not okay, check the thread you're in before you start up a totally different conversation. We're just having a laugh at such an absurd turn of events, and how desperately the British are trying to gain ground to the point that they're employing and arming a clan of pirates who were given every possible advantage in a battle, and still ballsed it up horribly.

Queen Valco returning to the SLRN estate in Port Royal.

Those ports were definitely not gifted... the first attempt on Matanzas was definitely met with resistance, beyond that required the Spanish to be up very late to recover those ports, many ports of which were retaken during a large offensive during 04-06. What is happening in Mexico is a completely separate thing to what the rest of the U.S. faction is currently undertaking.

A deal was struck among your fellow Spanish comrades with the pirates, many of them happily obliged and sympathized with your cause, and so the deal was made and a section of our manpower was given over to them to aid in the goals we set out for the Spanish homeland to better deal with the port timers they set against your nation and ours. We're very proud of what you have done in that Santa Fe bay, brave men of Spain, continue to fight strongly and proudly to ensure your security and prosperity in Cuba and wherever else you may wander. Those of us who departed for the eastern front, did so for this very purpose, and the pirate coalition we serve under has been honorable and understanding throughout this whole endeavor. Our pledge to you does not end with Cuba, those of us who were once Spanish will always be willing to lend a hand to you in times of need. Congratulations on your recovery, keep it up and do not allow the mistakes of the past to resurface again, stay the course.

Nice word twist there buddy, glad to know there are so many well informed people in your faction with little comments like this being of plentiful supply.

"How the hell are we meant to know the inter clan nation diplomacy of a nation?" You talk to them, I told you this from the beginning of our interactions on the forums, if you want confirmation you could come into our TS and speak to the leaders of all the clans we represented. It's so simple I don't even know how to explain it in simpler terms, your people were already in contact with us, all you had to do was CONFIRM the legitimacy of who you were talking to if you were unsure. You NEGLECTED the majority of the faction to speak to one self-proclaimed diplomat of a tiny community within the faction, when you had FULL access to the rest of our faction via myself and the TS you frequented to speak to us. Your compatriots failed to tell you of what was going in RAE to solve the problem, the initial people Gaizka and I spoke to initially(Pam and Caldwell), and you talk to us about unity, how inaccessible we are? This is what I mean with talking in circles with you people, it's never ending, and then you tell me you can't be bothered to repeat yourself? Then don't, if you can't comprehend the most basic of concepts when dealing with nations, then just don't bother trying to interact with the surrounding factions. Just don't try and take this moral high ground on the forums, no one is buying it, and it's responses like this that don't help your faction's image. Agreed, I don't even know why they're trying at this point to convince Spain to accept defeat, it's just the same tune as always and no one is bending over to it.

According to who? Where were these council members in any war we've ever been involved in? You took the word of an individual who has made wild claims that I have yet to see materialize in reality, where were they in the defense of Mexico? You people were duped by him, and you capitalized on it, I guess if some random person comes up to you claiming to be the President of the United States you'll believe them solely on the merit of their words, right? No double checking with anyone, no peer reviews of his standing as a diplomat and who exactly he represents? You can't sit and claim that we're not united to cover up your factions own incompetence in this matter, I'm sorry, it's not going to go unchallenged by me. We had the voices of every prominent clan within the faction heard by us, the people who mattered in the faction, the ones who have been fighting from the beginning in great numbers, the ones intercepting your fleets as we speak. You have no idea what unity is if you think Spain isn't unified, Spain was in the best position it's ever been for unity, and your faction has done nothing but attempt to stamp that out with how you've dealt with us thus far. The situation with Danes is not that different at all, it shows the degree in which your faction fails in diplomacy, even once enemies can reconcile ports more effectively and fairly than your faction can with people it considered "natural allies". Taking two ports near the capital as victors should show you the level of ridiculousness in your claim to hold the entire southern part of Cuba from people you are supposed to be friends with, in exchange for ports you were supposed to give back no string attached(minus the gold costs). "With Britain and Spain. In the British view they would make a deal with RAE (and as you stated stuff went south in south cuba), Then make a deal with what is though and told to be a representative of all the other spanish clans except from RAE, and then we are attack by RACC and EI. At this point we simply found it impossible to make any long lasting deal with spain, If we make a deal with one set of clans, the other want something else, and vice versa its like dealing with two different nations in the same nation." This paragraph... The unity that was achieved included RAE, RACC and EI, and a number of other clans who joined combat whenever they were needed, we by no means achieved what we achieved in order to kill another clan. We did what we did to achieve a balanced unity among the faction, this was fully ratified a week from my first encounter with your diplomats, and went into effect the same night it was discussed. Rather than be a constructive force in this whole process, your faction chose to pound it's chest and then combo into extremely poor diplomatic conduct with us. So, so be it. Again, told he was a diplomat for the whole faction by who, the person making the claim for himself? You double checked his prominence as a diplomat with no one of relevance in our talks, that is your fault, not ours. Competence, competence, competence, your side is lacking this throughout. Honestly, do you even know the clans he represented by tags at the very least other than the clan he was in? What have they done of note for the faction? How can you honestly be expected to be taken seriously in diplomacy when you just take people at their word and don't do even the most basic research on them what so ever?

The problem is your diplomats followed up only with Gaizka, and not myself, which is interesting considering the main situation that surrounded the whole situation had more to do with myself and RAE than it did with Gaizka. Yet, in their infinite wisdom, they chose to neglect the solutions put forward and react as they did, and now we are here. Coming to the table asking for 16 ports you took unjustly/mistakenly/failed to return as per previous agreements is by no means unreasonable, your factions capitalized one one mistake after another, and for some reason insist that returning ports you just annexed recently was too much for your faction to bare. So again, we are here. I'm pretty certain the majority of the corsairs that came with us to pirates are mainly RACC, a large contingency stayed to defend Spain while we coalesced with a faction that we could fill the gaps in soundly to help achieve our long-term goals alongside the pirates. Our worldviews are at odds with each other, that is the problem here, you cannot reconcile things that I consider common sense for one nation to do for another they are on good terms with. We handle problems and crises differently, and by these revelations it's pretty clear our factions are not natural allies, and so it was made very clear that we would be at war for a very long time. That is why I went pirate, because the timers you set prevent Spain from launching effective counter-attacks, but as a pirate, your timers cannot hide you from us. Your faction should take a lesson on interrelations from the Danes, and how they treated the French after they achieved victory, far better than you treated your once allies in this entire issue. So yes, we will fight on, and your faction will either be at odds with it's decisions for the rest of time, or they will take the time to reflect on how they deal with other factions and have the self-awareness to witness the result up to this point.

I know I am, I've been on the frontier of this debacle since it happened, we came up with a solid solution and wouldn't have had any issue with you retaking the ports. This spun out of control because your diplomats have absolutely no clue what they're doing, and how to proceed in minor crisis' like this. What should've been a simple "sorry it was a mistake, the person responsible for it has been dealt with, you can have the ports back if you want", turned into failure after failure on the part of the British delegates. Taking everything west of Cochinos was inexcusable and far too harmful to Spain's industry, and the amount of difficulty I encountered while trying to recover it through diplomatic talks simply revealed the nature of your leaders. They have put Spain in a position where we can never trust them again, because they've shown us what they do with power and agreements. Nothing was honored by Britain from start to finish, the ports your faction were asked to assist us in returning were used against us as forward operating bases in the conflict that ensued. Meanwhile we made a symbolic stand at Siguanea, knowing full well that you were going to flip the ports in the Yucatan the next day, we made it clear we were not on-board with the deal you made behind closed doors with another party to give away southern Cuba for it. Rather than wait for you to flip the ports and then back stab you after that, we chose to be honorable and make a clear and harmless statement at Siguenea. To help you understand the foolishness of the deal that was made with the other party in Spain, and how many people it did not represent in the faction. This apparently went unnoticed, and we were punished for this honorable conduct. Failure to follow up on the solution, and failure to respect the borders of an entire nation over the actions of a single individual, Britain has no right to impose it's will on Spain over such failures like this and I will not stop fighting among the corsairs for as long as the British insist on bringing Spain to heel and wrestling ports that rightfully belong to them. I don't mean you're all scared as a general statement, there are definitely many among you that don't like the multiple fronts open everywhere, and the losses of ports in places far too close to home. I'm sure there are other people who feel as you do within the faction, that would rather see a constructive end to things, but what I experienced with your leadership tells me that's not going to happen among the higher ups anytime soon. The ports that were put into question should have been returned to Spain as a common sense measure to maintain peace at the bare minimum, they refused this notion as too catastrophic for their nation's morale and self-image. I will return to Spain one day, but for now I have goals and oaths to fulfill between both Spain, and the pirates as they have been honorable partners in this entire endeavor to whom I owe much gratitude. When your empire is sufficiently crippled enough to where I feel that Spain can once again function as a sovereign nation with secure borders, that's when this will end, until then the fight continues for us who have departed to the eastern front.

Where exactly do I speak for Spain in this thread? I'd love to see the quote, or is this just your little tidbit of appeasement to Caldwell's new salty narrative to try and drive a wedge between the new Spanish corsairs and their homeland? It's pretty easy to see through all these manipulative attempts on the forums, please try harder.

Is it deja vu, or are we running in circles again?

It wasn't over Misteriosa, they went ape-shit over Pepe attacking the south eastern part of Cuba, and this went through based on confusion between what was being talked about between multiple Spanish higher-ups and G'kar at the time, and whether the plan was in effect. When Spain realized that Pepe was attacking out of anger, and not agreement, Papa Bear and myself, and later Gaizka went to speak with multiple British representatives to alleviate the situation. We came up with a solution, put it into effect, but the British were apparently just too scarred by the whole ordeal of losing a couple of Cuban ports to accept it, and escalated the situation out of control. Misteriosa is just a talking point they keep clinging too mindlessly to desperately gain any moral high ground, none of which they have. It's ironic, because I proposed the idea of an armistice to Wang before the talks, but even he acknowledged that it would be impossible to regulate. Yet they insist on using it as a propaganda tool, all the while expecting anyone to take them seriously at the diplomatic table as they do these things. I'm not going to tell Spain to keep fighting, nor will I tell them to sue for peace, all I will say is we are coming and the British are scared. Do with that information what you will, but your destiny as it stands is up to what you are willing to endure. We will not force the nation of Spain to endure what it is unwilling to endure for a promise, because no matter what happens in these negotiations does not change the oath we made as Spaniards. We will fulfill our promise to Spain one way or another.

I really sense the impassioned anger in this one, your ignorance is very amusing and astounding sir, especially when directed at the original Spanish diplomat who gave your faction a very easy alternative to war. I'll bullet point a number of things since you're seemingly too lazy to get to the bottom of things yourself, yet have the energy to right out a whole essay of cringe: 1. I was the original diplomat from Spain to your faction, I was the one who in conjunction with a number of other people took a certain degree of power from RAE after the initial misunderstanding in southern Cuba, and we created RACC. The intention wasn't to punish RAE, but to allow for a more balanced unity among the faction when making decisions for the people we represented within Spain. This wasn't enough for your leaders, and you began milking the attacks by Pepe to justify and offensive against the rest of the coast, and telling us how much you couldn't trust us. The people who were in the same room when the plan to "depower" RAE was put forward were Pam from the AUSEZ clan, Caldwell and Gaizka. It was said in this meeting what would be done to solve the problem of Pepe, and it was made clear that we would not bargain away southern Cuba for 4 ports in the Yucatan. The solution for Pepe took effect the same day, and the following day that we proposed this solution but your diplomats decided not to follow up with me after they said they'd relay the information to the rest of the council. They instead made a backdoor deal with Gaizka to fully take control of the south western coast of Cuba in exchange for 4 ports in the Yucatan. This was resoundingly rejected by the rest of the faction, and that is why we made at stand at Siguanea. 2. There are no grudges being held, we reference Panama and southern Cuba(during the first weeks of steam release) as points in history where your lack of unity compromised our security in different parts of the world, and the fact that not once did we act irrationally in response to these liabilities against your faction. Yet, one attack from RAE in southern Cuba, and your faction is already pounding the war drums, conquering as much as they can within the same day that our diplomats ended up meeting. The point of pointing out these two events is to point out the hypocrisy of your faction and it's diplomacy, your lack of understanding in this why we will never allow your faction to remain as powerful as it is. 3. I hop between pirates and Spain depending on which is doing better at the time? Never mind I'm not even going to address the rest of your post, too stupid.

Big words from the man who knocked over the first domino in this whole situation, the Prime-arch of catastrophe himself speaks to me of ones measure and expects to be taken seriously. You can act as though moving to another front is simply fleeing from difficulty, but here among the pirates, we've been fighting you just as we were fighting you before to a more effective degree. For someone who you deem has "run away", I've yet to see you at any of the fights I've been involved in so far, that or I just haven't noticed you in the fray at Jeremie the past several times we've been there, where I'd expect you to be huddling. Unlike your nations stance towards Spain, there are no illusions of what our relationship with the pirates are, you may demonize them but that is your own folly. You know nothing of the enemies you fight, and frankly that is precisely why your conclusions are both unsurprising and unimportant to me. Peace indeed will come, the day your nation is brought to heel, and given the rude awakening it sorely needs.

You people need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid man, you had no better time than to be allied with Spain when our power structure changed drastically, your diplomats chose ports instead. Everything that is happening to Britain is your own doing as far as the past few weeks are concerned, and I don't know what kind of nostalgia blunt you're smoking but prior to this, you were dealing solely with the person you claimed "back-stabbed" you, and now you're saying you want the old Spain you were allies with back? Does anyone in your faction actually know what they want?, or are they just too scared to admit it in a public forum, because every post I read from your people just contradicts another.

For someone so wrong, weak and irrelevant, your jimmies seem to be very rustled by him. Seems like a telling sign of insecurity perhaps?, don't worry, your countrymen seem to suffer from the same feeling.

Complete and outright lie, I was nowhere near Misteriosa when we were speaking with each other, let alone leading the attack. Though after we concluded our talks that night, the next evening I was absolutely present at it's defense due to the failure to come to any agreement on anything. Um yes we did think this, because this is what was agreed upon when we asked you to assist us in recovering ports taken by the Americans, thus where the backstabbing comes into the picture. Thank you for painting it for me, that saves us a lot of time in history lessons in regards to how conducting diplomacy has been between our factions thus far. Don't try and play dumb on the issue of Misteriosa, it was mutually understood that an armistice would not be possible to regulate, and so attacks back and forth during the diplomatic talks were to be expected until our talks concluded positively, which they didn't. You put us in a state of war with your attacks on southern Cuba, you transgressed against our faction for the actions of an individual who was dealt with swiftly. This wasn't enough for you, and so you pushed to escalate the situation needlessly, don't waste your time trying to twist facts in the other direction. You countered our offer with an undignified set of terms for both your faction and ours if we were to accept it, those ports were not yours to use to barter with us, those ports were to be recovered and returned, with proper gold compensation and whatever else could be worked out to be fair to you for helping us. You chose to keep the ports, and press a claim on them with a number of ridiculous reasons, and yet we're somehow the untrustworthy ones. You take our ports, you use Pepe to justify it, and then you use our ports to force us into fighting pirates after this series of events. Who in their right mind would expect terms like that to make any sense given the climate of the situation? You snuck into our ports, smacked us around and took some more, and then we were expected to trust you after that to give us our ports back while putting us in an even sketchier position by fighting the pirates when our relations were very uncertain with you as they were. This is why you're at war with virtually every faction sharing a border with you, it's this lack of sense and sight your faction has that has you in this position. We left Cuba to take the fight to you, of course you'd love it if we were still defending Cuban ports with no ability to attack you back, things like what happened in Jamaica last night wouldn't have been possible if we were still in Spain. As pirates, we can not only attack, we can cover all the time-zones optimally that we couldn't as Spanish, so go ahead and try and sell this "you abandoned Spain" narrative, that tune is going to change very soon.

My suggestions were already rejected by your council, that's why a war between Spain and Britain exists as of now, so I won't waste my breathe any longer on that issue. To post on that forum would be out of place for me as I am not Spanish, and you have requested only Spanish and British players post suggestions there, and I will not speak for a nation that is suffering as a result of your decision to push for war against them as I have no direct stake in the conflict. My pact with Spain is purely honorable, and regardless of whether you make peace or not will not change the course I and the rest of us are on. You people had your chance to deal with us in a fair discussion of terms, you chose to run around in circles and avoid the prime issue that was plaguing our nations. You chose to react like this, and now you want peace after the fact? Back then there wouldn't have been port timers preventing a nation from attacking another nation in it's prime-time, we're playing a game that has mechanics that restrict realistic behaviors. You haven't beaten Spain, you've simply tied it's hands behind it's back and forced it to take blow after blow, that's why we're pirates now, as pirates your faction can't hide behind timers from us. If you had any sense of dignity or honor in this matter it wouldn't have come to war, and you wouldn't be proclaiming victory over a nation you slipped yourself into the belly of, and then began stabbing as soon as it's stomach grumbled. This conduct is inexcusable, and the fact that you are claiming victory over it only fuels the flames in the hearts of all Spanish and any who sympathize with the nation. We Spanish corsairs have already chosen our lot in this matter, whatever the remaining Spanish choose to do will be respected by us, but they are not alone in their fight against you and we have found a better means in which to wage war on your over-reaching empire. On that note, good luck in your negotiations.

If your nation can't reconcile giving back vital ports to the Spanish, our vendetta against you doesn't end until your faction is completely pacified in a corner of the world all to yourselves. I won't presume to speak for Spain at this point, but one way or another the disputed territories that your faction refuses to return to Spain will be returned to them one way or another, you can either give them up or lose them in bloody conflict. At this point diplomacy has proven fruitless, and after what I've experienced with your faction's diplomats, I and the rest of us who have chosen to continue the fight as privateers on a front that accommodates our time schedules better, this is the only way it seems that will happen. Honestly though, I'd continue to fight us wherever you can, because you've pushed us to the point of no return. As pirates, we fight for as long as we are told to fight, and we accommodate our long term goals as they arrive. Edit: I saw your latest post, as I am no longer technically Spanish, I'll leave that discussion up to Spain and yourselves. The point of my post is to let both Spain know that we have not abandoned them, and you know that you've made terrible enemies upon your conduct with us when we attempted to unite the faction. If you happen to come to a deal with Spain, and it benefits them as it should without crippling strings attached, then I will rest easy for Spain. I just hope they don't sell themselves short in desperation, because time is the only thing Spain needs right now.

A peace in chains is not peace, it's slavery, and that's what you British either don't have the self-awareness to see in yourselves, or enjoy playing dumb in order to plead ignorance when the day comes that you are cornered with the facts of the matter. We've already spoken, and all I got when discussing very simple issues with you and your fellows in your faction were circular arguments and lame excuses. Excuses like "if we give back these ports, the troops will revolt!", or "these ports aren't your ports just because they were once Spanish" when you know full well how valuable the ports that were being discussed were to the health of the faction and it's player base. Throughout the entire discussion you'd keep going back to "Pepe did this and that" while at the same time talking about how we should leave everything in the past and move forward, as if this absolved you of your duty as allies to give us a fair deal and fulfill the promises you made to our faction as far as sovereignty was concerned. Instead you clung to Pepe attacking you in the south of Cuba, a problem which was solved in the same day that it happened, a problem you failed to follow up on the success of the solution put forward. You decided to milk this issue and pushed full forward to continue annexing Cuba and holding onto the Yucatan ports that you were requested to assist in retaking due to the timers being set at a time that the Spanish nation could not retake due to the nature of how late it was. You instead chose to capitalize on your own failures in diplomacy, and then have the gall to use those ports like doggy treats to attack the pirates just for the sake of attacking them in the north side of Cuba. No self respecting nation would ever accept that deal, and I told you this the second you put it on the table, but you still pressed the issue until I took it back to the Spanish community and received the exact response we both knew was coming. Pepe was taken out of the picture as far as diplomacy was concerned, and you still failed to come to an agreement with parties who were willing to compensate you justly for your efforts in retaking vital ports to the Spanish nation, you instead chose to take advantage of the situation in a spineless and manipulative manner that was deemed unacceptable by our nation. You think because we left to the pirates that we've simply abandoned our comrades in Spain? Keep dreaming, your nation has a rude awakening coming it's way, and it's heralds are tearing your faction apart from all directions. Your warped reality of being the victims, being true gentlemen in negotiations will evaporate in the coming weeks with the countless enemies you've made throughout your endeavors as leaders of your nation. Had your leaders possessed the competence, the foresight, whatever it is that you people lack particularly, you could have avoided all of this. Instead, you chose greed, manipulation, and now your greedy port acquiring has acquired you far more than you bargained for. You should take notes from the pirates you look down upon, when I spoke to them they exuded strength in their terms and how we would go about them. They were not riddled in insecurities and excuses, they were sealed in reasonable promises and firm projections towards the future and trust was built on these foundations. The loyalty that myself and the former members of RACC have for our nation do not simply disappear with a change of flags, you'll learn this eventually if it hasn't already become apparent to you in the past few days. Edit: Don't get me wrong though, I actually prefer things to play out this way, your faction is way too strong as is and our only option for PvP would've been to go back down and fight the Dutch on our timezone. Especially after witnessing the gracious terms the Danes gave to their once former enemies and our allies, the French, it should tell you something when enemies can come to proper and generous terms better than you can come to terms with your own allies.