The Frigate "Cherubim"

[mattebubben]

Bit of a strange ship this one, but not completely invented.

 

She's based off a Chapman frigate design but the plans were altered by a model kit company to portray a British frigate. I'm not sure sure if the original plans were used to build a ship, not all of Chapman's designs were used, but if this ship was built it would have been Danish. 

 

http://www.sjohistoriska.se/ImageVaultFiles/id_3063/cf_1768/33.JPG (Credit: Captain Armstrong found these plans)

 

Oddly, this makes her quite suited to be a Russian ship, the Russians liked captured Danish ships and built several copies of Chapman frigates. They also had Royal Navy influences and built some ships from plans obtained from the british (including a class of 10 half-sisters to HMS Victory).

 

The model itself we have here was built by Axionelis (spelling?) and given to Game Labs as one of the first ship models, it's been reworked a few times and only just reappeared.

 

Not sure where the connection to HMS Diana has come from, perhaps invented by the model kit company. The armament we have ingame was definitely invented by the kit company, this ship is much too small to be an 18 pdr frigate. From the dimensions (135ft gundeck?) I would say that she is a 12 pdr frigate, probably with 6 pdrs on the weather deck, about the size of the Belle Poule.

 

Now, there a few problems with this model (mostly left over from the kit company's conversion to a British frigate). First, this ship was not a true frigate with the normal unarmed gundeck and main battery on the upper deck like all the other frigates we have. Instead, the guns are carried on the gundeck, lower down to the waterline (because Danish frigates were for use in shallow waters and valued a shallow draught over being able to fight in rough seas). But the kit company has given her a british style stern gallery, and they've placed it about half a deck higher than the original (where a normal frigate's stern gallery would be), so it's not in line with the deck it's supposed to be on. They've also raised the sides of the hull, creates this odd appearance with a fairly normal looking frigate that for some reason has a very low gundeck.

 

So what I'd suggest is either cutting down the sides and re-positioning the stern gallery as per Chapman plans above, or raising the gunports/decks/chainplates about 3 feet to bring the guns in line with the stern gallery, either modification would produce a "correct" and very attractive frigate. (assuming Game Labs is not tired of this model after 2nd rework and are going "F*** it, the ship is finished"  )

 

why would she have been danish if she was built?...

 

Considering Fredrik Henrik af Chapman was a SWEDISH ship builder ^^

 

Sweden and Russia had a larger number of wars during the time Chapman designed ships so most of this designs (that where built) faced combat with the russians.

 

and a few where captured and where well liked by the russians as they where very well built ships.

 

For example the Swedish HMS Venus a 128 Ft 44 gun frigate armed with 26 24lb guns and 14 6lb guns built 1783 and captured by a russian squadron in 1789.

Edited July 26, 2015 by mattebubben

[Alex Connor]

why would she have been danish if she was built?...

 

Considering Fredrik Henrik af Chapman was a SWEDISH ship builder ^^

 

Sweden and Russia had a larger number of wars during the time Chapman designed ships so most of this designs (that where built) faced combat with the russians.

 

and a few where captured and where well liked by the russians as they where very well built ships.

 

For example the Swedish HMS Venus a 128 Ft 44 gun frigate armed with 26 24lb guns and 14 6lb guns built 1783 and captured by a russian squadron in 1789.

 

Yes, meant Swedish, my mistake 

[mattebubben]

And also on a In game note rather then an historical one.

 

Has the "Frigate" been nerfed?

 

I think it cant use 18lb guns anymore?

 

The largest it can use now seems to be 12lb long guns or Carronades.

 

Edit:

Nevermind its just "inccorect" stats on the "buy" page but once u get the ship u can use 18lb cannons.

Edited July 27, 2015 by mattebubben

[marecek05]

With new repairs systems I favour Belle Poulle more. 1 more long 18 lbs to work on sails from distance and force repairs...

[mattebubben]

And also is it "confirmed" that this ship is based off the Chapman plans and not off the HMS Diana (1794)

[jodgi]

The following is outdated:

Here's a speed profile after the speed buff. GUI stats say that this Frigate should go 16.8 knots, so the mounted guns detract 0.5?

Edited January 5, 2016 by jodgi

[Malachi]

British. The dimensions given in the table with all ships are imperial feet. The real questions is: is it modelled after plate XXXIII or XXXIV?