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  1. Lieste

    Hugging exploit

    Yet these are riddled with errors and misunderstandings. (e.g. the often firmly given implication that carronade performance was good up until 400 yds, then became progressively worse compared to guns - yet with comparison of realistic computed trajectory you instead see the relative performance (steepest ratio of fall for example) is worst at ~400 yds and then improves (often dramatically) with increased ranges, and that the line of metal ranges (line of direct pointing) for all ordnance was around 700-750yds with the normal full charges, whether carronade or gun, and regardless of length). Descriptions of pistol shot, or musket shot ranges are often assumed to be minimal, yet comparison to fortification manuals suggests that musket shot could be as far as 400 yds, rather than the much shorter ranges which were assumed during the recent past.
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    Hugging exploit

    Hmm. I'd actually not expect a first rate to have much problem with fighting a small vessel (in calm seas). A frigate, especially a large one like the Constitution would have a far harder time of it at very close range. Gun deck, Gun port sills of a First rate are seldom much above 4-6ft from the waterline (about 25yds to the water at 5 degree depression for 6ft sills), while those on the Upper deck of frigates can be upward of 6-13 ft depending on class and size. Even middle and upper deck guns would be useful against the upper parts of the sides at all but the closest ranges, and against rigging and spars at all ranges. Large, rated ships were vulnerable to smaller vessels, but typically only in very light airs, where sweeps could give gunboats and the like the ability to manoeuvre freely while the becalmed ship was much harder to displace even using her ship's boats. The few relatively large ordnance (24-32lb guns and carronades) carried by such vessels were adequate to cause considerable damage at extended ranges, and their small size permits the use of a flotilla of these types to engage a single becalmed vessel.
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    Ideas for new gunnery mechanics and also swivels baby!

    Also, as suggested in the name, "courses" are set for a course, and it takes (slightly) longer and requires more men to briskly turn the yards with them set, than if they are furled. For rapid manoeuvring with most of the crew engaged in gunnery, it is normal to leave the courses unset.
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    Stop using mm/dd/yyyy

    It is especially ignorant to claim superiority of antique units of customary usage by using an example of technological success which relies on International Standard metric systems. NASA put the flag on the moon (among other accomplishments) by using SI units and the metric system. They have *never^* flown a manned/orbital rocket as far as I know designed in Customary units, nor is their flight-path data calculated in it Only the cockpit instrumentation has ever been in US customary units... (^except for that one case where a Mars satellite was litho-braked because one contractor was using customary units and passed the wrong value to the purely metric/SI NASA systems). I sometimes use Imperial units for casual speech and for some 'back of envelope' stuff, but if I want *any* serious calculation I will convert any units to SI, perform all calculations in SI and convert back (if needed) for display or colloquialism.
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    Stop using mm/dd/yyyy

    Which is all good... but don't you *first* ensure you select the correct year of the paper calendar before you just randomly start filling in appointments by turning pages and writing in boxes? YYYY-MM-DD makes sense. MM-DD-YYYY really doesn't.
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    Stop using mm/dd/yyyy

    My preference, and one with ISO support, is the logically (and trivially sorted) YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS (e.g. 2018-07-06 01:50:35) This type is common in programming, is the universal format for GPS time encoding etc. A major advantage is that a simple sort doesn't need to "know" how to parse the date and time information, the data as presented will sort with a basic low to high sort of the text field.
  7. Maybe Principe Real. (Portugeuse 2nd rate 1794). I can't read the text clearly, but a length of 182/192 ft is listed in some unit or other. Likely to be a second rate, rather than a third at that size IMO. She is listed as a three decker, but tbh the 20 gun third deck seems more what you'd see on most two deck ships with armed galliards.
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    Shot Weightings By Nation

    Even the Surprise (ex L'Unite 1794) has incorrect data still, despite my writing a correction some time ago. Her carronade fit is listed as 32lb on battery and on the castles, while IRL this was 32lb on battery and 18lb on the castles, and I have also seen numerous other obvious errors too (in some cases a 'split' armament for the same year into two entries - iirc one of the RN 64 Rzaee's has this type of error).
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    Shot Weightings By Nation

    The second is 1808, not 1822. It should therefore (in theory) be 336kg compared to the earlier 473.7kg. Note she is listed as operating in the channel fleet in 1793, while 'escorting the royal family' across the Atlantic in 1807. This might have some bearing on her armament choices (suitable for fighting in the line, vs chasing off commerce raiders).
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    Shot Weightings By Nation

    The Portuguese customary unit (arretel) was .459kg between 1495 and 1814. With the adoption of the metric system in 1814, the arratel became 1kg (nominal at least), but ordnance for a 24 lb ship would still only be 11kg, not 24kg shot (IMO). In 1852, the customary units were formally replaced by the standard metric units, using international naming conventions. There *might* be some oddities when looking at vessels commissioned (or written about) in the period between 1814 and 1852.
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    Shot Weightings By Nation

    I think there is an error in the Portugeuse (Lisbon) pound, I have it noted as .459kg, the same as Spain in your table, rather than 1.012kg. Certainly during the peninsular war, the Portuguese horse artillery and siege artillery seem to be named the same as their British equivalents - perhaps an artifact of supply by the Ordnance board, perhaps because they were functionally the same, even if not sharing an exact commonality.
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    Shot Weightings By Nation

    Channel service: 10 gun Cutter loaded with 500 12lb roundshot for carronades, plus 50 case and 50 grape. For foreign service, an additional 300 12lb shot carried. With 4lb guns, the weight of ordnance on deck would be higher (the gun is around twice the weight of the carronade, yet the ammunition is 1/3rd the weight). While channel service loadout might be slightly lighter with the carronade fit, the foreign service one is around one ton heavier with carronades. As an aside as well.... if a fleet overall requires 're-munitioning' before the next day... pray where do the shot come from? Magic? I would instead think this was a period in which new cartridge could be made up for shot already carried in the fleet's shot lockers, together with a redistribution of shot between vessels where individual ships were exceptionally heavily engaged (though in that case they may also retire from the line due to damage received).
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    Combat - Whats happening here

    Game is not necessarily congruent with reality.
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    Combat - Whats happening here

    This is the whole point and purpose of double shot IRL. A gun, being a long ordnance fired with a large charge to shot ratio has a significantly supersonic initial velocity. The excessive speed is lost over relatively short distances (supersonic drag is much higher than subsonic for most of the common gun calibres (very small guns, firing grape being the primary exception, where there is little reduction in drag coefficient with lower speeds). The gun is approximately 'ideal' at 700 yds against a target similar to the firing weapon's platform, with 'open' holing and shattering of the interior planking and inside this range the shot leaves holes so closed that it is not possible to introduce a finger - reducing the charge, doubling the shot are both used to moderate velocity, bringing the 'ideal' range down to as close as yardarm to yardarm. When doubling the shot, the recoil is also increased and becomes dangerous, so it is commonly used in conjuction with a reduction in charge to control the excess recoil. This is not a "problem" though as the desire is to produce a wide spread of velocity from 'full charge, single shot' for use at longest ranges, to 'half charge, double shot' to use at the shortest. Double shot, with the second reduce fired from a gun is almost identical in performance to the standard single shot fired from a carronade of the same calibre, with two balls discharged instead of 1.
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    Ocean is still to Tanky

    I don't think it was 'a lot'. While up to 2 were authorised I think that they were not commonly fitted (and the authorised poop deck 12-24lb carronades were also seldom carried as many captains felt they added excessive confusion to the command area). In 1794, the authorised carronade establishment was 2 carronades on the forecastle (32s on 1st to 3rd rates, 24s on the 4th rate 64s, plus 6 (often not carried) on the roundhouse (poop) (24s on 1st rate, 18s on 2nd to 4th rate 64s). The largest 5th rated frigates carried 6 32s on the quarter deck, 2 on the forecastle, with the smaller 32 gun ships carrying 4 and 2 24s respectively. The two 68s fitted to Victory at Trafalgar were those fitted to Nelson's commands and transferred from ship to ship from 1793 onwards as he moved around the fleet. These were the only pair of 68s indicated as present at Trafalgar (128 32lb carronades listed, along with 6 24s, 30 18s and 18 12s), and the establishment of 68s was only a pair 'where the ship would bear them' between 1781 and the new establishment of 1794. They do not however appear to have been common even during this period, with Nelson getting his in 1793 for the Agamemnon - between 1807 and 1813 there are noted only "two ships of the line and several bomb vessels" equipped with this type of carronade. It is not a common, nor widely deployed type.
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