Peiper Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 I've looked for a place to send in complaint tickets, but it seems the only place to do so is here on the forums. The game forums I normally frequent have name and shame restrictions, restricting the naming and shaming of other players. So, do I post screenshots here and point out the offending person and their actions? (I'm guessing no.) So, where do I send in tickets and evidence of violations in regarding violations of code of conduct/bullying? Thank you, Peiper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Spivey Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Yes. One of the things I really like about this game and these forums is that complaints are brought out into the open. Evidence and counter evidence can be presented. Opinions can be put forward and, most importantly, justice is done and SEEN to be done. A refreshing change. So post your screen shots, make your case and let the wheels of justice turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peiper Posted March 7, 2016 Author Share Posted March 7, 2016 (edited) Alright Joe Spivey, I hope you're right. This would get me kicked off other forums. Also, because we're a small group of players with smaller ships than Everfalling's unit [VCO], I do, in fact, fear further reprisals. I'm looking out for my guys having a good time, and my unit tends to attract some non-so great players. We judge people on their personality and effort, not their perfect performance. So, I'll keep this long story short. Because of a couple trader's disputes, Everfalling has continually threatened open 'kill on sight' orders for my [DOGS]. My response has always to be to look for a peaceful solution. In the below incident, Randolf Trowler and myself got sucked into a fight against an AI surprise and a snow. I asked what was going on, they said they were there to cap the surprise. I said I'd help by balling down the target's masts. In my teamspeak with Randolf, I tell him to chain down the opponents' sails to allow them to capture. At this point, because of history, I'm already wary of Everfalling as he's already threatened me to punish all my dogs for not living up to his standards. Yawh is in a 3rd rate and accidentally capsizes the Surprise. A costly mistake considering the goal! Then Randolf, in a Snow, attempts to chain down the sails of the mercury, broadsides another player - one of Everfalling's friends with chain. I don't see it, but know of this after the fact. Then Everfalling deliberately takes his much bigger boat and capsizes Randolf. Now, to give you an idea of who Randolf is, he's in his 60's, is medicated for various ailments, and is a very nice guy. He's new to the game and is just learning what it is to fight with groups (he was sailing alone until a couple days before when he joined us [DOGS] and that's why I told him to chain, so even mistakes weren't going to be a big deal). I ask WTF is going on, and when I figure it out, I leave too, because I don't want to be "punished" by Everfalling in his huge ship as well for some perceived slight or transgression. I go to his teamspeak and talk with him, asking what's going on, and he gives me a lecture about friendly fire, and how I have to 'control' my [DOGS] as if I can take over their accounts and control their boats to make everything perfect for him. I asked him if he even gave a chance for Randolf to respond - you know, like ask him why he shot at his friend - and his response was, if he can't shoot straight, he shouldn't be playing the game, and he definitely shouldn't be in battles with him because 'If I can't leash my dogs, he will.' In every case where I've spoken to him, he's never once admitted that he or his guys could be at least partially responsible for the trader's disputes of the past, or his own actions. He didn't even reprimand, publicly disparage, or 'punish' Yawh - who is not in [VCO] - for capsizing the Surprise, which was their goal. He's DELIBERATELY picking on [DOGS] when all I want is peace. He then sucks another of my players (Enron Hitman) into a battle with some AI within a few minutes of this incident. He broadsides Enron, waits for a response, and Enron having none, he then apologizes and promises to buy Enron a repair kit after the battle. Enron, who is faster on the keys than Randolf will ever be, says it's unnecessary, that mistakes happen. And truly, that's the way it goes, no one deliberately goes after friendlies unless thy'eir greifers or bullies, which Everfalling is. So, because he won't listen to me, and has threatened over and over to attack [DOGS] on site, to teach them lessons, or put them in their place, I must say something. I don't want my players to live in fear of reprisal for things that they don't understand or cases - like Enron Hitman who's done nothing to tick off anyone - be attacked simply to make a point. Everfalling won't listen to me, and I don't want this to become a flame war through the teamspeaks. I just want him to leave us alone, and we'll do our best not to step on his toes. But, when we're operating out of the same port, it's inevitable my imperfect players will get sucked into, or join public fights with AI fleets and other players. My players, and myself, should not live in fear of other players of the same nation. The screenshot below is from the incident where Randolf was capsized. (screenshot is linked, can't seem to find a way to post it here) http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/321250900570908757/24808E0B619C6B100E955F60B7B0CBED2054A6E2/ Transcript of above battle: 11160:[2016-Mar-07 00:30:18.012671] Daemonifuge: Hello 11160:[2016-Mar-07 00:30:21.546874] Everfalling: capping the suprise 11160:[2016-Mar-07 00:30:24.032016] Daemonifuge: What's going on? 11160:[2016-Mar-07 00:30:39.039874] Daemonifuge: Alright. 11160:[2016-Mar-07 00:31:31.575879] Daemonifuge: I'll be firing balls, but in order to knock down masts on the surprise. 11160:[2016-Mar-07 00:34:00.513398] Yawh: TOPS 11160:[2016-Mar-07 00:34:08.825873] Yawh: ops even 11160:[2016-Mar-07 00:34:20.025514] Daemonifuge: I didn't do it! 11160:[2016-Mar-07 00:36:20.576409] Everfalling: that screenshot enough for you Daemon? 11160:[2016-Mar-07 00:36:54.098326] Daemonifuge: what are you talking about? 11160:[2016-Mar-07 00:37:40.474979] Everfalling: randolf just broadsided marshal 11160:[2016-Mar-07 00:38:19.112189] Everfalling: leash your DOGS 11160:[2016-Mar-07 00:38:25.327544] Everfalling: or I will 11160:[2016-Mar-07 00:38:28.085702] Daemonifuge: WTF is your problem? 11160:[2016-Mar-07 03:06:12.170699] 3/7/2016 3:06:12 AM The following chat log is from one of the trader incidents preceding the fight above. As you can tell, there was confusion about the trader. Everfalling is the first to make threats, as he always is, when things don't go his way. He's also delivered on his threats, by attacking or using his bigger ships to get his way. He's bragged he'll take the experience hits to sink my unit members. I don't understand his anger, I just want him to stop bullying and harassing my players. 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:18:19.009699] 3/5/2016 11:18:19 AM ___________________________________________ 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:32:26.953325] Anceitus: hey man im gonna cap 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:34:44.378714] Anceitus: why waste your time? 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:36:16.286626] Anceitus: IM CAPPING!!!! 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:36:43.065141] Whowantstokillme: no need to get pissy about it 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:37:06.530010] Anceitus: no need to even join 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:38:27.590310] Anceitus: what are you even doing here? 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:38:47.719207] Whowantstokillme: having fun 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:39:07.037967] Anceitus: fin all yours then 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:50:31.332855] Whowantstokillme: hey 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:50:37.213155] Everfalling: hey 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:50:48.154688] Whowantstokillme: sorry bout sucking you in 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:51:19.263535] Everfalling: having fun too 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:51:30.679588] Whowantstokillme: always 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:51:40.380677] Everfalling: funny thing about fun.... 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:52:03.118817] Everfalling: not everyone has the same kind or thinks fun is the same in all situations 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:52:59.656886] Whowantstokillme: yah but you dont start shooting at someones sails when they are trying to help 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:53:34.685255] Everfalling: hmm...seems you DOGZ always have an excuse for jumping someone else's traders....especially when it's my Clannies who jump the trader first.... 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:53:52.912140] Everfalling: I'm politely asking you guys to stop. 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:54:18.177613] Whowantstokillme: i initiated the combat, i was going to give him the trader snow until he started shooting my sails out 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:54:35.821386] Whowantstokillme: soon as he did that he lost his chance 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:54:38.172672] Everfalling: hmmm 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:55:03.632587] Everfalling: why not just appologize for pulling my clanny into a fight then? (note apology in red above) 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:55:10.047960] Everfalling: instead of being a dick about it 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:55:33.000562] Whowantstokillme: i wasnt a dick about it 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:56:02.585619] Everfalling: probably best not to shoot at my clannies..... 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:56:06.166503] Everfalling: that IS being a dick 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:56:15.610963] Whowantstokillme: he shot at me 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:56:53.132359] Everfalling: after you were a dick and shot him 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:57:01.652872] Everfalling: He initiated the combat. You joined after 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:57:13.898177] Everfalling: then You shot him 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:57:22.762234] Everfalling: he shot you 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:57:31.340107] Whowantstokillme: he can tell you what ever lies he wants 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:57:33.021006] Everfalling: he even asked you to leave at the beginning of the fight 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:57:47.789940] Everfalling: this isn't the first time the DOGZ clan has done this either 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:58:43.252568] Everfalling: why would I believe you guys who have done this three or four times instead of my own clannies? 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:58:45.111393] Whowantstokillme: well if you want to back you clanmate who started being as ass thats your beusiness 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:59:41.048831] Whowantstokillme: i will personally stay away from all VCO combat in the future 6344:[2016-Mar-05 11:59:47.038457] Everfalling: when I hear the same thing from different clan mates about DOGZ clan.... 6344:[2016-Mar-05 12:00:01.972691] Everfalling: kinda hard to believe it isn't a dogz problem 6344:[2016-Mar-05 12:00:18.386566] Everfalling: and I love dogs....I'd hate to have to start putting DOGZ down 6344:[2016-Mar-05 12:00:28.579811] Whowantstokillme: believe what you will, he fired the first shot at friendlies 6344:[2016-Mar-05 12:01:04.781316] Everfalling: who's your clanleader? 6344:[2016-Mar-05 12:02:22.482263] Everfalling: don't have one? 6344:[2016-Mar-05 12:02:34.869961] Whowantstokillme: one sec 6344:[2016-Mar-05 12:03:14.618166] Whowantstokillme: asaassdddddddssaaaaaaaaaaaass 6344:[2016-Mar-05 12:04:22.253296] Whowantstokillme: deamonifuge 6344:[2016-Mar-05 12:04:26.031550] Whowantstokillme: is the leader 6344:[2016-Mar-05 12:10:12.718946] Whowantstokillme: now your being an ass 6344:[2016-Mar-05 12:10:35.429786] Whowantstokillme: well good fight 6344:[2016-Mar-05 12:10:43.234669] Everfalling: Like I said, I'd leave VCO alone for awhile were I your clan 6344:[2016-Mar-05 12:11:18.580781] Whowantstokillme: NOPE your clan member will never be safe in these waters 4236:[2016-Mar-05 13:48:47.311760] 3/5/2016 1:48:47 PM All of the above could have been solved through conversation and agreements. Instead, Everfalling resorts to threats he's only too happy to carry out. Note: Whowantstokillme is partly correct, we have no 'leader' in the [DOGS] fleet. We're just a bunch of friends playing. I've asked the other guys to avoid trader fights, and there haven't been any since the couple that Everfalling has ranted to me about. That didn't stop him from carrying on in bullying and harassing my friends and myself. I am listed as 'the creator' of the DOGS on the fleet, but that's simply because I was the first of us to be able to afford to do so. I can't control anyone, or make anyone do anything. I wish Everfalling and any of his friends or fleet that have given him control would just live and let live. It's a game, people make mistakes, and no one is perfect. No doubt this will lead to a flame war, but what can I do? If I don't stand up to his bullying, who will? Edited March 7, 2016 by Peiper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peiper Posted March 9, 2016 Author Share Posted March 9, 2016 Everfalling continues to threaten and bully us. Here's a couple screenshots from one Devil Dog. From yesterday. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=641169241 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=641169263 (currently, these above pics are 'friends only. If admins can't see it, I'll bug Darkcyd to change permission settings) From today. Everfalling talks about how you don't lose XP for capsizing friendlies, encourages others to do it, and brags that he does it. As far as trader stealing, it's bullcrap. New players and miscommunication that is in the past. And as far as accidental ramming, or confusion about traders: this is part of the game, especially for new people. We work it out, we move on. Steadier, more experienced minds understand this. 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:55:38.559690] USA:Everfalling>the DOGS clan is good for trying to steal your trader caps. That's why I sink DOGS that come into my battles 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:55:48.637380] Help:Luke Bailey>I just started playing today, just figuring stuff out 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:56:05.083013] USA:Captain Adama>I just don't see the point in stealing traderships like that, but I'm weird 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:56:08.247723] Help:Birdyy>wheres the fleet huntin at now 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:56:10.822288] Global:CHEATOS>come over to the states, be a PRICK, our members are....growing 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:56:13.698643] Help:The Lesser Weevil>no worries. if you want to, add me as a friend and i would be happy to answer any questions you have 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:56:21.589651] Help:Birdyy>another 3rd rate and frigate outside PR it looks like 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:56:25.110446] USA:Everfalling>it's about -100xp per broadside but SOOOOOO worth it 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:56:33.790745] USA:Captain Adama>xD 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:57:22.195343] USA:Ferrel Wayne>You don't become a pirate for attacking them, everfalling? 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:57:30.429472] USA:Captain Adama>not once in battle 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:57:38.131564] USA:Ferrel Wayne>nice 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:57:38.689011] USA:Captain Adama>if you attacked them on the High Seas 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:57:42.155348] USA:Captain Adama>you would 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:57:50.051702] USA:Captain Adama>you just lose lots of xp hitting allies 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:58:07.870950] Whowantstokillme>i have all the parts for a Trincom 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:58:20.474281] Whowantstokillme>if you have the hours 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:58:22.965814] USA:Ferrel Wayne>gotcha 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:58:26.410781] Global:CHEATOS>well unlike USS, we wont negotiate 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:58:43.455378] USA:Captain Adama>of course most people aren't massive dicks and give you the urge to fill their hulls with iron 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:59:10.936607] Global:CHEATOS>SOB does 560:[2016-Mar-09 11:59:38.243586] USA:Ferrel Wayne>yup 560:[2016-Mar-09 12:00:01.229286] Global:CHEATOS>well when it was USSSOLSOB, it was naval hand holding 560:[2016-Mar-09 12:00:53.411807] Global:CHEATOS>lol i was actually told i wasnt authorized to take ports that i was attacking 560:[2016-Mar-09 12:00:56.935841] Help:The Lesser Weevil>to [Luke Bailey] sent you a PM if you need a hand 560:[2016-Mar-09 12:01:06.575081] Thon>ok 560:[2016-Mar-09 12:01:08.221112] Global:CHEATOS>by us fucks 560:[2016-Mar-09 12:01:22.911796] Thon>clan read usa chat plz - talking about dogs 560:[2016-Mar-09 12:01:24.303418] USA:HerrMoor>Contra spotted 560:[2016-Mar-09 12:01:43.065398] Global:CHEATOS>so i saet about the best PR campaign to dismantle the guilds that made agreements 560:[2016-Mar-09 12:02:07.037162] Global:CHEATOS>lets just say they dont have the numbers they once did 560:[2016-Mar-09 12:02:38.694487] USA:Captain Adama>no worries dude contraband is everywhere haha 560:[2016-Mar-09 12:02:44.729850] Global:CHEATOS>the AI pathing is good, you arent 560:[2016-Mar-09 12:03:20.493170] USA:Everfalling>Normally I just capsize them. no neg xp that way 560:[2016-Mar-09 12:03:54.192604] USA:oldcrankyman>no positive xp that way either 560:[2016-Mar-09 12:03:54.511223] USA:Thon>ignore 560:[2016-Mar-09 12:04:45.542304] USA:Everfalling>you don't get positive xp for shooting US ships when you are us 560:[2016-Mar-09 12:05:16.144172] USA:Everfalling>I may start paying 10k per screenshot proof that you sunk a DOGS player though 560:[2016-Mar-09 12:05:26.832702] USA:Everfalling>unless they stop their trader stealing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry d'Esterre Darby Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Let them keep at it. They're on the way to an XP reset with enough green on green kills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quineloe Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Let them keep at it. They're on the way to an XP reset with enough green on green kills. Given how you hardly deal damage (and receive exp) for capsizing an undamaged enemy ship, is capsizing friendly ships really punishing appropriately? three times nothing is still nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry d'Esterre Darby Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Given how you hardly deal damage (and receive exp) for capsizing an undamaged enemy ship, is capsizing friendly ships really punishing appropriately? three times nothing is still nothing. I think with the latest patch you'll find capsizing isn't easily accomplished any more. If you find that it is, please F11 and explain the exact circumstances. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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