Rethinking Killing and Sinking

[Percival Merewether]

Something that has plagued me since the start of playing this game is the idea that ships are always sunk – this very rarely happened. Most of the time they were captured and sent back to port; then either lost on the way due to damage, broken up or commissioned.

Let me hear your thought and ideas on the following, keep it civil:

• Make it impossible to sink ships with anything but leaks. This means: No leaks, No sinking.
• Replace the structure bar with the moral bar.
• Let the effectiveness of leak repairs depend on the moral of the crew.
• Let the handling of the ship depend on the moral of the crew (effectiveness drops at less than 70%).
• Use rum to repair moral and give it a constant regeneration rate of 1% per minute.
• Increase rum timer further to 30 mins.
• When moral reaches 0% the ship auto-surrenders.

EDIT: Rum will still regenerate lost crew as it does today.

Let me hear your thoughts, This would really give the feeling of you battering the enemy crew into submission  – this system will also stop the annoying last second boarding before your opponent sinks.

Edited February 6, 2018 by NicklasK

[Thonys]

34 minutes ago, NicklasK said:

Something that has plagued me since the start of playing this game is the idea that ships are always sunk – this very rarely happened. Most of the time they were captured and sent back to port; then either lost on the way due to damage, broken up or commissioned.

Let me hear your thought and ideas on the following, keep it civil:

• Make it impossible to sink ships with anything but leaks. This means: No leaks, No sinking.
• Replace the structure bar with the moral bar.
• Let the effectiveness of leak repairs depend on the moral of the crew.
• Let the handling of the ship depend on the moral of the crew (effectiveness drops at less than 70%).
• Use rum to repair moral and give it a constant regeneration rate of 1% per minute.
• Increase rum timer further to 30 mins.
• When moral reaches 0% the ship auto-surrenders.

EDIT: Rum will still regenerate lost crew as it does today.

Let me hear your thoughts, This would really give the feeling of you battering the enemy crew into submission  – this system will also stop the annoying last second boarding before your opponent sinks.

Mmmm.... yes..... funny isn't 

you wonder sometimes who's your real enemy....!

the water,...!  or the ship with cannons....!

 

and always sunk is a little out of proportion  (its just fine as it is)

board the darn ship ,,, and it is your s ,..... or not

 

greetings captain

Edited February 6, 2018 by Thonys

[blubasso]

Many people loves hunting, not keeping the prey. 

Do think please in the middle of a fight with 20 ships each side: who has the time to boarding and then send back the captured ship to the port? No way: you have to sink all enemyes, than, if you have enough time, can board. But usually: end fight—>end fun.

Edited February 6, 2018 by blubasso

[Percival Merewether]

5 minutes ago, blubasso said:

Many people loves the hunnot to keep the prey

I'm not sure I understand?

EDIT: Nevermind.. I see you correction

Edited February 6, 2018 by NicklasK

[blubasso]

Just now, NicklasK said:

I'm not sure I understand?

Edited my post

[Percival Merewether]

18 minutes ago, blubasso said:

Many people loves hunting, not keeping the prey. 

Do think please in the middle of a fight with 20 ships each side: who has the time to boarding and then send back the captured ship to the port? No way: you have to sink all enemyes, than, if you have enough time, can board. But usually: end fight—>end fun.

I'm still not sure I get the point? Could this not be worked around by letting you sort out captured ships at the end of the battle? Do you think "please", that historically you'd sink a full 20 ship fleet during a battle?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Trafalgar - 21 ships captured, 1 sunk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cape_St_Vincent_(1797) - 4 captured, 0 sunk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_First_of_June - 6 captured, 1 sunk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Camperdown - 11 captured, 0 sunk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Copenhagen_(1801) - 12 captured, 2 sunk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Nile - 9 captured, 4 sunk

I think the evidence speaks for itself - you could solve it by letting us choose whether to sink or capture the ship after the battle ends.

Edited February 6, 2018 by NicklasK

[blubasso]

14 minutes ago, NicklasK said:

I'm still not sure I get the point? Could this not be worked around by letting you sort out captured ships at the end of the battle? Do you think "please", that historically you'd sink a full 20 ship fleet during a battle?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Trafalgar - 21 ships captured, 1 sunk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cape_St_Vincent_(1797) - 4 captured, 0 sunk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_First_of_June - 6 captured, 1 sunk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Camperdown - 11 captured, 0 sunk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Copenhagen_(1801) - 12 captured, 2 sunk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Nile - 9 captured, 4 sunk

I think the evidence speaks for itself - you could solve it by letting us choose whether to sink or capture the ship after the battle ends.

I tought in the game’s term, not historically (in which i have little, almost none, knowledge). I saw al least 10 videos with at least 15 ships each side, and none boarded. As i said: a lot of players like to sink ships, not keep them. More: a ship still floating can still shoot. So still a menace. 

You cannot choose which ship spare and which not at the end of a NA fight: they sink in few time and they don’t surrend. 

Thise are my doubts about your proposal, but maybe i am wrong. Let’s test it, if devs will implement it.

Edited February 6, 2018 by blubasso

[Navalus Magnus]

@NicklasK

Nice suggestion!

I would extend the possibilities of sinking a ship though!

- leaks (you‘ve already mentioned it)

- fire / fireshock -> explosion of the magazine

- „sink“ as an option implemented in the loot menu

So basically, I would keep the options of sinking a ship, which are already implemented into the game - except the one of just shooting down the side armor and structure bar.

Edit:

Maybe there should be a mechanic too, that automatically sinks ships which surrendered, after every other player has left the battle instance!?

If not there has to be another solution for those beaten into submission!

Edited February 6, 2018 by Navalus Magnus