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    (Future) Defensive Upgrade: Chains to Ships For Barrier

    in Current Feature Improvement Suggestions

    Posted · Edited by Grim DeGrim

    I guess I'm hoping some of the history buffs out there might be able to at least validate the idea as being historical (I've provided one famous reference).

    As an individual that hopes to lead large scale fleet engagements in port battles, I am looking for some "tools" or different (unique) tactics that might be used in a defensive capacity, or make an offensive more complex. [perhaps should rename the thread, for a request of additional offensive/defensive tactics that are beyond mere sailing & position?]

    Edit for post script: I see your questions and thought process Mr Darby. Good thought process... But they did this at the Nile, so it must have been possible (?)

    (Future) Defensive Upgrade: Chains to Ships For Barrier

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    Posted · Edited by Grim DeGrim

    Excellent feedback. I'll have to do more research on Battle of the Nile. Unless I miss read, it sounds like it was used more than a passive barrier or for docking. It sounds like the French used it ship to ship in order to force a localized engagement...

    To the archives :)

    Edit: back from archives:

    Orders were issued for each ship to attach strong cables to the bow and stern of their neighbours, which would effectively turn the line into a long battery forming a theoretically impregnable barrier.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Nile

    The intent was that their position was to be superior... However it was poorly implemented:

    In deploying his ships in this way, Brueys hoped that the British would be forced by the shoals to attack his strong centre and rear, allowing his van to use the prevailing northeasterly wind to counterattack the British once they were engaged.[54] However, he had made a serious misjudgement: he had left enough room between Guerrier and the shoals for an enemy ship to cut across the head of the French line and proceed between the shoals and the French ships, allowing the unsupported vanguard to be caught in a crossfire by two divisions of enemy ships.[55] Compounding this error, the French only prepared their ships for battle on their starboard (seaward) sides, from which they expected the attack would have to come; their landward port sides were unprepared.

    Anywho, that's the idea. I'll leave it to develops to figure out unity and mechanics... An idea for them to consider.

    (Future) Defensive Upgrade: Chains to Ships For Barrier

    in Current Feature Improvement Suggestions

    Posted · Edited by Grim DeGrim

    Eventually, there will be something akin to port battles in OW as we fight for dominance over ports. As an option to defenders, provided I have enough Intel on where enemy fleet will come from, I'd like to have the option of chains linking ships as a means of creating a defensive position.

    Now, I've had a little trouble referencing it. But many of you will be familiar with Nelson's greatest victory at the Nile (note, not Trafalgar):

    "Although the ships were chained together, Nelson believed the chain between the last ship in the line and the shore was sunk deep enough to let a vessel pass."

    As seen here, it was a tactic used... Perhaps it can be implemented in game?

    AS A SUGGESTION... Future feature, after OW and other high ranking priorities...

    Royal Navy Articles of War - 1757

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    All flag officers, and all persons in or belonging to His Majesty's ships or vessels of war, being guilty of profane oaths, cursings, execrations, drunkenness, uncleanness, or other scandalous actions, in derogation of God's honour, and corruption of good manners, shall incur such punishment as a court martial shall think fit to impose, and as the nature and degree of their offence shall deserve.

     

    Very nice.

    Poll of Current Suggestions!

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    Not a fan of the "Lookout warning".  I assume this is a que to you as the Captain that there has been a ship sighted in Open World.  Why not have the computer sail your ship too?

     

    Pretty much removes any requirement for situational awareness.  You get the information and can immediately adjust.  Just my 2 cents.

     

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    The ship assist poll is missing an item that adds context:  "assist while in battle" was one option, the other was "implement assist functionality, but only after the battle is over".

    Did France EVER have a chance against Britain at sea?

    in History

    Posted · Edited by Grim DeGrim

    Charles-René Magon:

     

    In review...I think you have highlighted a bright spot in the history of Naval Warfare for France.  A few points:

     

    • Firstly, France as a stand alone naval power STILL, during this period of time, did not match that of England.  So on a "Nation versus Nation" platform, France did not have a chance "alone".
    • The France / Spain alliance during this period DID have enough fleet power to overcome Britain.  And late in the war when the Dutch joined that alliance, the odds were even more against Britain.
    • By 1779 the combined French / Spain naval power was 120 Ships of the Line, versus Britain's 90 (in service).
    • The invasion attempt of that same year is probably one of the greatest lost opportunities for a definitely French victory (though it should be noted their goal was not to replace the George III, this was instead to provoke a call for peace from Britain).
    • Invasion attempt of 1779 (by France/Spain) fails.  They send 36 Spanish and 30 French ships of line to escort 20,000 troops in transports for the invasion...however contrary winds, delays in assembling, and spread of disease aboard crowded ships ... caused the ships to never leave port.  Britain had fewer than fewer than 40 ships of the line [available for defense].
    • Skipping a bunch of stuff....
    • 1781 de Grasse (French Admiral, 24 ships of line at Chesapeake Bay) defeats Commodore Thomas Graves & Samuel Hood (20 ships of the line).  Though De Grasse captures no ships, the victory buys the Americans time and Cornwallis surrenders...essentially ensuring American independence, as the American army was almost out of food.

    Now there's alot that happens in between and afterwards.  I think I'll compile a post on the much broader topic.  Both sides had victories and losses.  But there really were not many (if any) decisive victories.  French naval efficiency declines severely in 1882 to the point where De Grasse losses ships because the crash into each other (quality of crewmanship declines).  and by the end of the war, France has spent 1 Billion Livres in the war effort...and this sets the stage for eventual bankruptcy (equivalent) and the French Revolution.

    Did France EVER have a chance against Britain at sea?

    in History

    Posted · Edited by Grim DeGrim

    :blink: Why ?

    (Parlez-vous français par hasard ? J'aimerais débattre avec vous de cette question mais malheureusement mon anglais est bien trop médiocre pour le faire efficacement...)

    Mon Français... C'est... Horrible. But I would never have guessed you are native French speaker, you English post was excellent.

    I reviewed book last night. I started writing a post... After a 2 page word document, I found I was only half done summarizing the war. I will finish but I will start a new thread, and reference it here.

    To be honest, in review... This maybe was one of France's greatest opportunity to defeat England - WITH the assistance of Spain as an ally. In terms of raw nation v. Nation power, France was still under shipped ~60 ships to 100 ships.

    Trés bien monsieur!

    Did France EVER have a chance against Britain at sea?

    in History

    Posted

    Place holder for response... The war at sea was not won by France during the war of of American independence.

    Their naval fleet "contributed" to the winning of the war, but certainly did not "win the naval war" against Britain.

    I'll revise my post after picking up the novel I just read. If I'm mistaken, I'll post it here with apologies. I'm pro-French, but don't wish to over state Historical fact.

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    Suggestion: Iteration on Fog for Open World & Combat

    in Current Feature Improvement Suggestions

    Posted · Edited by Grim DeGrim

    During this period of reading about historical events (yes, I can read), I've read of many occasions where a smaller outnumbered fleet has been saved by a fog rolling in, or storms.

    SUGGESTION: could open world have fogs thick enough to allow players to pass undetected?

    SUGGESTION: could battle instances have the same, where a fog thick rolls in, enough to allow escape un detected?

    I know nothing about, and make no claims as to how difficult, to implement.

    Just seems this was often a "real" contributing factor in may ship escapes. Plus, a "smuggling in/out" feature could also be overlaid with ports (or close proximity to...)

    A treatise on Naval Action: a complete guide - Mr. Doran

    in Guides - development forum

    Posted · Edited by Grim DeGrim

    In fleet battle today, especially Trafalgar, I would contend that the leeway position is advantageous, and that the battle is most often won by the side that gets that slight jump that allows them to take a position that slightly kites the noise, curls and assumes the downwind position.

    The guide is excellent...but I think fleet maneuvers is a slightly different beast.

    Just my opinion. You may benefit fully from it as the opposing team if I am wrong :)

    Edit: as with all these random pug matches, it really boils down to executing a single vision as a group (in an effective manner, with skill) ... And having leadership to guide that vision.

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