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Bluishdoor76
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Just now, Cptbarney said:
Oh? But the grind doe. Takes forevah.
Took me ages just to get the T-14 armata in aw. still stuck on the tiger 2 in warthunder.
I know, specially the naval side, but screw it, I've been waiting for the big boys to arrive ever since Naval was announced and they are finally here. I'm ready to spend ungodly amounts of money to get them
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well they better hurry, cause now at least for me, they have a time limit before my attention goes else where
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmMvGqzvmXM
War Thunder just dropped a teaser, a rarity from them, and one of the things in it is Battleships
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I think some people do have some very unrealistic expectations for this game, it's still a very small team after all with limited assets. I'm also of the belief that 100% realism is just not that fun, I remember from my world of tanks days how so many people wished the game would be more realistic. They eventually got their wish when War Thunder ground forces released a lot of them went, wow this sucks, I hate this, I just die in 1 hit. Imho a balance between arcadiness, which this game already has, and realism is the best way to go. With mod support for those who are willing to put the work towards getting that 100% realism they want. And it's why I believe the biggest issue with the game is the ship designer, it is it's main feature, and currently the biggest thing turning people away. You can't do much with it at the moment and just ends up being a repetitive experience no matter what nation you select, you'll end up with the same design over and over again, and that's not fun at all.
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4 minutes ago, ReefKip said:
its a weaker build against anything else. not against DD,s. which is what i am arguing. so if you need additional support in fighting DD,s it is the build to go for. like you seem to be needing.
In this case it is the player however. I consistently manage to hit DD,s below 10k range with at least 4-5 shells with German dispersion.
So you still fire AP at DD,s? now i know definitly it is the player.
10 Years over here. i was a participant in the WOT closed Beta. however this is unrelevant in being a good player. prove of this are the hordes of players that have over 30K matches but still have a sub 48% winrate and other horrible stats
generally yes. depends on the Nation as well. The Meta for Japanese are finding positions from which you can dish out the most damage while taking the least amount in return on long range. there is no universal BB meta like you seem to be implying. The Meta for Italian BB,s is getting close undetected,hit a devestating blow and then get out by the use of Smoke and low detectability(smoke will be a future addition for italian BB line). American and Germans are more about damage management like you said.
1) Even against DDs it doesnt help that much because they hardly ever hit even with a secondary build, and the tank build will at least give you a chance to survive the russhing DD.
2) Still mainly comes down to RNG, I too hit most of my shots on a DD, but even then that only means at most you will do 4k damage.3) Shooting AP is a lot more practical then HE because you will still do more damage since it prevents the hull from being saturated as DDs can become saturated quicker and my prayers go to you if you shoot HE at a French destroyer.
4) Wasnt saying anything about skills and stats, but more pointing out that RNG in wargaming titles has a trend of just hello kittying the player anytime it wants, which is often. I myself was an above average player nearing unicum status a few times, but I dont talk about it since I truly believe skill in WG titles can only get you so far as you are always at the mercy of their RNG.
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3 minutes ago, ReefKip said:
with the Bismarck.Tirpitz,Friedriech Der Grosse. and to some extend the tier 7 german BB i have forgotten the name off a secondary build works very good against DD,s who sneak to close(which is a situation that can happen often as you are a mid-to close range BB with the Germans)Cruisers are even better with German secondary,,s because you can deal full damage with your AP secondary,s in combination with Main gun fire
With the Americans who are more of a jack of all trade class secondary,s can be quite decent.They do more Damage to DD,s then even the Germans because of HE.Most of german secondary,s fire AP which is not that effective against DD. even on Iowa and Montana it can work if you want it. not that i recommend it. but if you really want to deal with DD,s it is doable when for some reasons you cannot take out DD,s with your main guns because of RNG Accuracy. which apparantly according to @Bluishdoor76 is very difficult because of accuracy curse even in close range. a curse that i don't suffer that much from up close. so ether he is very unlucky or he needs to learn to aim at DD,s better. if he cannot do that then a Secondary build that does that for him is a thing to consider.
Tank Build is quite useless to me in most BB,s.except lower tier it makes you an even Bigger HP pinata to HE spamming cruisers. i ether go full Main Gun build or Secondary depending on the Ship. and in the case of the Roma i go with the conceilment build which is a good counter to HE spam on midrange. they cannot HE spam to death which they cannot spot.
Yeah, this does tell me you have no idea what the meta is. All the German BBs are pretty irrelevant at the moment so giving them the weakest build is already handicapping them even more. There is only 3 American ships that can perhaps use a secondary build as the rest just dont have the range to make it worth the skill points. As for hitting DDs could be me, but when you notice the same shit for years where every well aimed shot just lands around them and maybe land 1 hit for 1400 damage perhaps its not the player. Doesnt help that DDs have the arbitrary immunity against BB AP, so no its not just me. I've been playing Wargaming title for over 7 years and this happens in all of their games. The meta for BBs is HP conservation and why the only viable build is the the stealth tank build and nothing else unless you want to meme. Unless something is done to address HE this will not be changing any time soon and taking a secondary build is just shooting yourself in the foot.
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26 minutes ago, ReefKip said:
Tier 9-10 Germans arguably still have good secondaries so the build even is viable with those. American secondaries are right now one of the best in the game especially with HE damage which makes them even better against DD,s. Massa isn't the only one.
Kinda tells me you really don't understand the current meta of high tier BB play. Tanking as a BB is no longer a viable strat, as HE spam and fire damage have made BBs who try to tank and push into nothing more then xp pinatas. Which has added the side effect of making secondary builds practically irrelevant as you will most likely die before you get in range. Best strategy with BBs is to stay at long/ mid range sniping at cruisers, with a tank build to preserve as much hp until it's safe enough to start pushing an objective.
13 minutes ago, Cptbarney said:Only ohio, georgia and massa have secondaries worth talking about and viable for sec builds, the rest of american ships, lack the range and the accuracy to even be somewhat useful.
you take a hybrid builds on those ships, but its your guns that you should be using to take out DD's not secondaries as if you're relying on those the DD is far too close.
otherwise you take a tank build for most BB's as their secondaries are trash in, accuracy, range and fire rate. Not too mention some have poor fire chances as well or too small a calibre to pen through 32mm plating which most BB's past tier 8 have on the bow and aft of the ship
Shikishima, Republique, Alsace, GKF, FDG, Bismarck, Oklahoma (unless they get nerfed) Arkansas B, Odin and whatever other ships i've missed. Those are the other ships besides the three americans were a secondary build can be used, but its mostly just a meme since secondaries usually can't pen BB's don't always aim for the SS and not all ships have good fire chances either.
I like secondaries, but they aren't that useful unless you lay one of those ships and even then a hybrid/tank build would be far better as they help and/or play to those ships strengths and lower their weaknesses in terms of survivability a lot more.
If we had more BB's from tier 7+ with 7-8.5km range secondaries and similar to georgia accuracy, along with a few skills moved down in points so they are easier to obtain then i could see a secondary build being somewhat competitive if not just useful anyways on those ships.
Yeah, sadly even with the Germans is mostly advisable to stick to a tank build as the secondaries build still isn't effective enough and only comes in useful a handful of times. Still have a secondary build on Republique but that was mainly as a meme.
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3 minutes ago, Cptbarney said:
Well not american, but the south koreans are making this smoll thing.
Model is quite cute. They should build bigger ships to have moar of them and we can have the excuse of seeing bigger ships again.
Always wondered what a 2020's era light cruiser would look like.
Hu interesting, makes sense that the ROK is developing a CIWS to counter hypersonic missiles since China is a close neighbor and one of 2 users of hypersonic missiles. Tho without their own missile I wonder how they would test it. Also that ship sort of resembles the now cancelled Zumwalt class destroyer lol
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10 minutes ago, Cptbarney said:
Eh, they are already working on dat.
https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/the-us-navy-may-soon-have-a-way-to-shoot-down-hypersonic-missiles/
Fat missiles will go boom soon, then we can ultrasonic missiles! yay 'w' lol.
Humanity likes to play checkmate with itself all the time, also ill send 2 billion letters to the pentagon to make a missile based light cruiser at 20,000 tonnes (since ships have gotten more chonk as the years have gone by).
I've read that the US has several projects to develop its own Hypersonic missile, I dont really know if there are any plans to develop a CIWS tho, not outside the possibility of course.
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2 minutes ago, Cptbarney said:
Oh roight, never watched him too be honest. Speaking of smolensk i want vertical quads as well even for bigger guns maybe up to 203mm's cus reasons. Or if mod support becomes a thing expect me to make 22inch hextuples vertical and horizontal even if they make no sense.
I and maybe if they make another version of this game in the future they have aircraft carriers so i can make yorkie.
Yeah, I too low key want the vertical design, Idk how real that design was but I really really liked it lol
Think main issue with is that it is technically a post war design so it would be outside of this game's time frame, even when pushing WW2 techs.
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1 minute ago, Cptbarney said:
Was that pringles by anychance? Or flamu?
But yeah, smoll boute firing at a fat chonky BB and setting it on fire and killing it always amused me. Or smolensk or minotaur being able to rain absolute hell on yer ship taking away lots of HP in the process before you can go undetected.
At least this game doesn't have a HE problem like it used to back in alpha 1 and 2 not sure if you remember that at all.
It was Yuro, the more meme one lol
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11 minutes ago, CapnAvont1015 said:
BBs have accuracy curse. You know I would agree on any other day...…if Russian BBs didn't exist sense they basically have the best BB accuracy in WOWS. (because of course.) If a DD gets to close to a Russian BB in WOWS they can easily clap them out existence with one clean salvo.
That's only at close range, but yeah should added it to the few BBs that can sometimes counter a DD rush, but for the most part Soviet BBs aren't that unbalanced. The Soviets have been almost getting the same treatment as the Germans and keep getting powercrept. As my favorite WoWS youtuber once said, "because armor is just irrelevant against fire."
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10 minutes ago, ReefKip said:
Well seeing WOWS is an arcade game in which ship classes needs to be balanced against eachother. They needed to make DD's more survivable. Not saying that you are wrong but for the type of game WOWS is. An 16-18 inch shell instantly 1 hitting a DD like it would IRL is not fun for the DD player . Aiming is way to easy for BB,s to pull
I understand that it's an arcade game and balance is necessary. But a DD has no real risk when rushing a BB, the BB already has the accuracy curse due to its dispersion and being at the mercy of accuracy rolls. That is then multiplied by it's very long reload, secondaries are pretty useless for the most part. The only reason cruisers are a threat to a destroyer rushing them is because they have the accuracy and reload to minimize the bs that DDs are protected by. And that's my issue with DDs in WoWS, it rewards dumb plays that would otherwise be death for a BB or CL/CA.
The only BBs that can counter this are the Brits due to their absurd HE and short fuse AP, and the upcoming Italian BBs with their semi-AP.
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2 minutes ago, CapnAvont1015 said:
To be honest the reason I went Shikishima is well the way armor and design is in this game. I reckon in WOWS Shikishima has the same armor has Yamato ( probably a few differences but whatever ) and in the current state of the game making Yamato is not easy especially with fixed points. Yamato's armor is very heavy and in this game even with the super BB hull Yamato is a hassle to make. So when the 20inch guns are added I know their going to be a lot heavier than the 18inch turrets and having four of them like in the original A-150 design is going to be hard. So until they rework the armor in someway I'm going to have to stick with Shikishima until then.
With the current limitations, It really forces you into the same design a lot. Which is why I wish they would just rid of a lot of this fixed points, or just add more of them for better designs.
Theres no point in a build system at that point if you end up with the same designs over and over again.
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2 hours ago, CapnAvont1015 said:
Ok so the Devs said that that 20inch and 19inch guns will only be available for only certain hulls most likely the the Super BB ones. So my question is should modern BB hulls be able to carry 20inch guns especially the Japanese and Germany Nations since they are the only ones (that I know of) that planned to use these guns the H-44 class and A-150 class BBs. Plz Devs I wanna make Shikishima.
I'm hoping we get a new model for the 19" and 20" for the German turrets
something similar to this, I really love the look of these turrets
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They arent, this is mainly down to the elongating hull mechanic. My guess is just an easier way to make this work without weirdly warping the hull to be longer.
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50 minutes ago, Joryl said:
The way I look at it Ballistic fire is very hard counter. missiles rely on targeting software and hardware that can be countered not to mention the Phalanx CIWS that can blow them out of the sky that being said it all depends on what the new artillery looks like also generally speaking shells are a lot less expensive to produce and use as well as store compared to missiles. .
Hyper sonic missiles have fixed pretty much a lot of that, as no current point defense system is capable of stopping them.
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hope we also get quad gun turrets for WW1 designs like battleship Lyon and Normandie
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1 hour ago, Cptbarney said:
Oh. Werid cus i thought they were human sized grills, that can turn into ships or have equipment that turns into ships.
Azur lanes yammy will probs have a far bigger chest and rear lol.
Kancolle and Azur Laner very much share the same concept, Azur Lane brought ships from every major naval power in WW2 and a few extras while Kancolle is more focused on mainly the Japanese navy and the Pacific theater
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36 minutes ago, Cptbarney said:
wat? is that an actual game?
The image idk, but that's Yamato from Kancolle
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2 hours ago, FinnishJager said:
This game's not going to get a campaign is it...
Not yet of course, but it will have it once released.
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2 minutes ago, akd said:
I believe this ship exists solely in a WoWs reddit thread and nowhere else either as an actual project or even paper design. The armor and topweight costs of triple super-imposing battleship turrets would not be workable. Sadly, Dreadnoughts as of now does not give a fig for topweight stability effects.
Yes it is a purely fictitious design from an old game called NavyField
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2 minutes ago, Cptbarney said:
Ahh i see, maybe we get both hulls maybe? or mix and match? After we get most if not all the historical hulls, im wondering if they will make, non-historical or fantasy hulls, ships in general.
Cus i want Charlemagne which is basically a bigger jean bart with 3 quad 431mm guns at front lol.
What a chonker of a ship that was, I too want to recreate this thing!
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3 minutes ago, Cptbarney said:
I can't tell the difference myself, im not sure how much different jean bart is too both hulls (also a failure on weegees part to make the french BB line hull consistent across the board 😕)
Upon closer inspection, the bride tower is that of Dunkerque with a secondary arrangement of both Richelieu and Dunk, while the hull, and rear section of the superstructures that of Richelieu. Jean Bart is the same hull as Richelieu but the superstructure is completely different as well as its secondary arrangement.
I would know, I have a model kit of Richelieu and Jean Bart, still need to get a Dunkerque and Strassburg to finish my French modern BBs collection :3
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1 minute ago, Cptbarney said:
Rewd. I want an alsace hull however or even a republique hull as well as @Shiki has pointed out we could then create some really nice french BB's.
Actually @Nick Thomadis can the Richelieu hull take quad turrets at the back to make a alsace or republique like ship at all?
I know the caption of the picture says Richelieu but that mostly looks like a Dunkerque hull to me.
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Alpha-9 News Update
in General Discussions
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Some players did some digging into the few frames we got, and were able to somewhat identify the ships shown. From what they found it goes...
Nassau, Gangut, Dante Alighieri, Kawachi, and the third one still somewhat unknown but is predicted to be Dreadnought